Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 March 9

= March 9 =

Adding Ex Wife to Wiki Page
Hello - Will someone please assist me in adding/updating Tommy Ford's Wiki page? I am Wanda Taylor, Tommy Ford's ex wife (1st wife). Tommy and I were married May 12, 1990-96. I would like our marriage to be noted on his wiki page. I have a certified marriage certificate confirming marriage.

I would be so grateful and appreciate detailed directions on updating his wiki page.

Thomas Mikal Ford

Thank you, Wanda Taylor — Preceding unsigned comment added by WandaLouise (talk • contribs) 02:03, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * To update the article (not "wiki page") we need a publicly available reliable source that can be verified. A marriage certificate in private hands is not acceptable. Is there a newspaper announcement or marriage notice? 331dot (talk) 02:11, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The marriage happen in 1990. I will contact the Las Vegas review Journal to see if marriage was published. We never made a formal announcement, we elooped. Tommy's family, friends, coworkers and most recent ex-wife are aware of the marriage. I will seek published notice. If unsuccessful what is another option? Please advise. Thank you. WandaLouise (talk) 23:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately if there isn't any source whatsoever of your marriage to Thomas then there's nothing you can do. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 23:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi again! You asked a similar question here a few days ago - see Help desk/Archives/2022 March 4 to see the answers you received.  GoingBatty (talk) 03:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree with what everyone else has stated. I have spent some time and there is no reference in google books, news, and web. I suggest that you use another platform such as Quora, etcWakelamp d&#91;@-@&#93;b (talk) 09:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

English for inflation
I often use the inflation template for US dollars to see for example what 1849 dollars would be in today's money. I suspect there is something similar for English pounds. I am looking for the inflation template for an amount of GB£7,000 of 1840. Can that be shown in England money and US $ money. Is there a combo template? Can someone demonstrate that here. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * gives "" (Template:Inflation). Be aware that there are two UK codes: UK and UK-GDP. There are lots of examples in the template's documentation. Bazza (talk) 12:20, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The 1901 amount of $50,000 gives a template that automatically updates to the current date year available in the Wikipedia database, which will advance from time to time. Is there an English "Inflation Template" that does the same?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:19, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Template:Inflation is used for a variety of indices, including US, US-GDP, UK and UK-GDP. The documentation for Template:Inflation suggests that Template:Inflation/year is used to find the latest (and so default) end-year for any given index; so for the UK-GDP index, gives . I recommend you have a read of the documentation at the top of Template:Inflation and the bottom of Template:Inflation/year. The templates get information from datasets named, for example, Template:Inflation/UK/dataset or Template:Inflation/US-GDP/dataset. Have a look at the source in those to see the figures used, including the most recent and default at the bottom. I must admit to not being an expert in this specifically, but a previous life required me to deconstruct code and documentation to see how stuff worked, which was good fun and still sometimes is. Bazza (talk) 14:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Mistaken warning
A IP user, say X replaced sourced content with hoax, another IP user Y changed it to true information but without the sources. An anti-vandalism editor mistakenly reverted user Y's edit and also left an warning in their talk page, which is kinda unfair. What should I do in this situation? ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk&#124;contribs) 13:21, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If it was me, I think I would revert the article to before X's vandalism. Leave a note for Y explaining that they didn't really do anything wrong.  And leave a message for the anti-vandalism editor explaining what happened and suggesting that he/she might like to check the history a bit more carefully in future (phrasing it nicely, of course).--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:47, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, I would revert to the version before X's vandalism (or just remove it if there were constructive edits in between X's vandalism and Y's change) and remove the warning on Y's page (possibly leaving a note saying that the warning was made in error) and then warn X with an appropriate warning (if it isn't stale) and then kindly let the user who placed the warning on Y's talk page that they made a mistake and warned the wrong editor and to be a bit more careful in the future. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 23:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Re-rating an article which is no longer a stub
Can somebody please advise what the proper etiquette is here ... if I expand a Stub article, I have always avoided changing the classification myself (that would be like marking your own homework; I can't be objective). But if I just leave it, years could go by and nobody notices that it needs to be reclassified, and in the meantime it clutters up WikiProject lists of articles needing attention, etc. Is there some way to flag an article as needing re-assessment?--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:33, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi there! One way to do it would be to remove the current assessment.  GoingBatty (talk) 13:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * - a nice lateral approach, thanks. Looking at WikiProject Biography for example, that will add it to the list of 66,157 unassessed articles.  Guess I need to practice patience...--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:39, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Would one of you be willing to run your autoassessment bot through Category:Unassessed biography articles and its subcategories to make a dent in that number of unassessed articles? Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , I have no hesitation in upgrading any article from stub to start if I have expanded it significantly or anyone else has done so. Cullen328 (talk) 18:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the general consensus I've encountered is it's okay to rate your own articles up to C class. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  21:13, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * - thanks, if you say so, then that's what I will do.  I find the descriptions of Start and C can be hard to distinguish (where does "quite incomplete" become "missing important content", etc.) so I think for now I will leave that decision to others.  At least if I can take it off Stub I will be happy.  --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Totally understandable – I personally view the difference between Start and C as the C class article not having any obvious style issues and having decently referenced content, basically just an article that looks decent; if I see any maintenance tags I usually just tag as Start, and there's obviously a lot more nuances, but that's about as brief as I can describe it off the top of my head. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  04:39, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Created page has been deleted
Hello, I recently created a page titled Michael Kovrig. It has since been deleted by another user and I cannot see who did it or how to undo the change. Please assist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Scolin (talk • contribs) 15:17, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Adam Scolin: Michael Kovrig to has been a redirect Detention of Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig since last year, and you have been editing the destination page since January. Could you please explain further? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You have been editing the article Michael kovrig, which is different from the article Michael Kovrig. The latter was merged last September it was merged into Detention of Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig by, after a discussion at Talk:Michael Kovrig. The former (the one you have been editing) has now also been converted into a redirect, by , citing the same discussion.
 * If you wish to change the consensus that there should not be a separate article, you need to establish a new consensus by discussion, probably at Talk:Detention of Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig. ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * For reference, if you want to access the original page after it has been redirected, there will be a small note saying you have been redirected, below the title and the note saying it's from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia; from there, click on the blue link, and you'll be taken to the redirect page. From there, you can access the history and see the reasoning why someone has undone your change, and if you want to, you can re-revert it (though I would recommend discussing on a talk page first, and if you keep reverting, you may end up getting into an edit war, which could get you blocked). Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  04:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Received message about joining another Language Wikipedia site?
I noticed that I received a message from a bot account named Wagino_Bot, saying "Thanks for joining Malay Wikipedia", even though I've never visited the Malay Language wikipedia site (ms.wikipedia.org) before. Is this normal or;, has my account been hacked, or is this just an error?

Also, after having read it, I couldn't find the message in my Notifications page, even in the 'Read' section.

Should I be worried about this?

Datboi73 (talk) 16:43, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No, you were not hacked. This is a not uncommon occurence. 331dot (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * On some Wikipedias, the first time you click on the Wikipedia (usually by accident), it sends you a welcome notification, and it does this for everyone logged in. Presumably you just accidentally clicked on a link to Malay Wikipedia at some time. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks@331dot and @Joseph2302! I think I might've just opened a linked page on like reddit or somewhere else and just forgot about it. Datboi73 (talk) 21:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Special:CentralAuth/Datboi73 shows your Malay account was created 5 February 2022. Some languages use bots to welcome new users. It varies when the bots run. You were welcomed 3 March. I guess you haven't logged in since. After first reading a notification from a foreign wiki, it can only be seen at that wiki. You are not the first to be worried by such messages from wikis you haven't edited. I have a proposal to disallow them at meta:Welcoming policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:09, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Sonic the Hedgehog (film series)
Hello. I have been working on a draft about the Sonic the Hedgehog film series, as the article itself is a protected redirect. Let me know what you think. ZX2006XZ (talk) 17:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly sure Non-free files (which I'm fairy sure that logo is) aren't allowed in draft space unless I'm mistaken. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

The logo was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. ZX2006XZ (talk) 17:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Disregard my above comment. Didn't realize it met the threshold of originality. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , actually, the opposite is correct. If this specific logo met the Threshold of originality, then it would be copyright protected and ineligible for uploading to Commons. Because it does not meet that threshold, it is in the public domain and is on Commons. Cullen328 (talk) 02:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops my bad. I got the terms confused. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 02:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , one of your positive attributes is that you readily admit when you have made a mistake. That indicates that you are learning, and that's good. Cullen328 (talk) 02:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no reason to not admit my mistakes. I'm only human so I will inevitably make mistakes. (yes that is a reference to a song, Billy Joel is one of my favorite artists) ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 03:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I don't have an issue with the article, I'd either go AfC, or just request the technical move Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there a way to always get the second to last (n-1) value of a WikiData property?
I want to always compare the newest WikiData value with the second newest value. This would be possible if I could:

1. Sort the values in a different way, before I fetch them.

2. Get the length of the list of values (index of n).

3. Sort the list of values after I fetch them all.

Is there a way to do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Contributes (talk • contribs) 22:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a bit technical. Perhaps someone here will know, but I think you might have more luck asking at the Wikidata data access talk page. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  02:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)