Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 May 2

= May 2 =

Help me template on non-talk pages
Hello, this help me template is every non-talk page shows message the help me is on talk page, it shows example text: Can you tell us about help me template on non-talk pages? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:700A:D79B:BA6C:5E70 (talk) 02:15, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Its not clear what you are asking. That template should only go on Talk pages and no where else.  Can you clarify what you are asking?  RudolfRed (talk) 02:26, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a example of message about non-talk pages of help me template. 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:700A:D79B:BA6C:5E70 (talk) 02:54, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The help me template simply doesn't apply outside of talk pages. PRAXIDICAE💕  02:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The code that gets used depends on the namespace of the page. If it's outside of any page within a  namespace, it will let the user know that it is being used in an inappropriate location. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Attributing Citation Style 1 (but also 2 if I use it)
I'm currently using this citation style for personal projects. I copy citations to elsewhere using the automatic citation feature on unsaved revisions on my user sandbox. Assuming I publish things myself, is there a need for attribution, and if so, how? (I'm asking since I copy them. Then again, attribution is usually not necessary for major citation styles.) Thanks, Caehlla2357 (talk) 05:37, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I believe you're free to use Citation Style 1/2 off-wiki without attribution. I don't think a citation style is copyrightable. If you may use the Chicago citation style or APA style without attribution, I think you should be able to similarly use CS1, which takes elements from those. At most, such as if you directly use text from the Manual of Style, you need to respect Wikipedia's copyrights and follow the license terms, specifically CC BY-SA 3.0, which I believe to be summarized at Copyrights, but I don't believe this is the case here. – Anon423 (talk) 11:30, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I've mostly read up on copyrights here. Anyway, thank you for your time. Edit: I, however, put links partially to credit and partially to show where I got this style from, if in case I publish something using CS1/2. Caehlla2357 (talk) 07:31, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

How to place a delete proposal?
The page Template:John A. Davis about a film director is useless because the article John A. Davis already exists. Which template can I use to propose its deletion? Nythar (talk) 06:26, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Nythar It's not useless, it is a Navbox used in the John A. Davis article and all the other related articles. See WP:Navbox for how it works. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:44, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh. Thanks. Nythar (talk) 08:02, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I mistook the word Template for the word Draft. Nythar (talk) 09:04, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

ERROR - FREDERICK CHARLES DUXON - NOT DIXON - RECEIVED THE MBE FOR STOPPING AN ACT OF PIRACY ON THE HIGH SEAS - SS HAI CHING
Can this be corrected - I have correspondence on this gentleman. He was my husband's uncle and his surname IS NOT DIXON BUT DUXON

Hazel Duxon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.61.170 (talk) 14:23, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Does this relate to an article on Wikipedia? If it doesn't, we can't help. I can't find anything that would match. Apparently the incident was in 1929.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no person named "Frederick Charles Dixon" that has an article here on Wikipedia. 14:33, 2 May 2022 (UTC) ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:33, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has an article on "Frederick Clifford Dixon (also known as Charles)", but it says nothing to connect him with the Hai Ching piracy. Maproom (talk) 15:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, Hazel. Wikipedia does not currently seem to have an article on the Hai Ching piracy incident. All of our articles are written by volunteers, none of whom have any obligation to write articles. The incident does appear to be notable by our definition, so it is deserving of an article. If you would like to try your hand at writing such an article, please see WP:FIRST to get started. You must start by finding reliable sources (WP:RS) such as the Hai Ching piracy mentioned by Maproom. If you wish to add your relative's part in the action, you will need to find a reliable source for that, also. We at Wikipedia have no way to correct errors made outside of Wikipedia, but a lot of folks will read and use a Wikipedia article in preference to those other sources, so you will have accomplished your objective. -Arch dude (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Ownership, editing rights, and deletion of personal page
Hello, I represent Haim Saban and you have an extensive page related to him. I was wondering if you allowed verified individuals to have full control over their own page to edit, or even delete if desired? What options are there to take ownership of this information?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_Saban — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4E02:F0:E5CC:2AD2:6AD8:65FB (talk) 17:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * No. Per WP:OWN, no one can own any page or article on Wikipedia. If you have any edits you would like to make, please follow the instructions at WP:COIREQ. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:55, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * BlazeWolf is correct, and I would add, to be blunt, we don't really want official representatives to edit articles about the people they represent. Would you ask a newspaper to just let a paid representative of a person write a newspaper article about them? Of course not, because that's not how it works. The same goes for an encyclopedia. This is not social media, or any other type of resource for controlling your message and spinning things. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:59, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I just banged out an an essay on this subject for the next time paid PR people ask questions like this. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:42, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Beeblebrox where's the Like button, I want to mash it hard! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:55, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If there are any inaccuracies in the article, then the place to raise them is talk:Haim Saban. I've not looked at the article, but negative information (e.g. criminal convictions) will not be removed if it is a) true and b) supported by reliable sources. It may be removed if it is not encyclopedic. Mjroots (talk) 09:59, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Article Naming Conventions for Peerage Holders
I was just wondering why some people have their titles in their article names, while others do not. Does this have to do with what name people are better known as? - Cosmic6811 (talk) 22:22, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . I believe it might have to do with a combination of WP:COMMONNAME, MOS:HONORIFICS, and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) but asking about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility might help clarify things. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Probably WP:COMMONNAME, but may depend on situation. Mahatma Gandhi, U Thant, Queen Latifah etc. Well, those are not peerage. Emperor Norton perhaps? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)