Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 May 3

= May 3 =

Translated names in articles
Are there any guidelines on what languages you should put in the lead of an article? For example in the lead for Putin's article, it says Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (Владимир Владимирович Путин). An editor on Sahle-Work Zewde keeps adding translations for her name (3 Ethiopian languages and 1 non-Ethiopian) despite none of them being her native language. Only Amharic is. Ue3lman (talk) 09:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Ue3lman, here's the guidance I found: MOS:LEADLANG. Sometimes editors want to add more, see for the example the [b] in the lead at David. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Trying to add 4 blank spaces into the middle of a line
When I try to do this, the result is not visible when I publish my edit. For reference, I'm trying to reproduce the memorial here (1) which includes 4 blank spaces: "in the . . . . year of his age". This is the article I'm working on: Edward Norris (physician) 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 11:27, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If you're using the source editor, you can use non-break spaces, like   this. Maproom (talk) 11:47, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As an addendum, non-breaking spaces can be generated by keyboard with Alt. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:50, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * But that's against MOS:NBSP. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:58, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought that the correct way to do this was using the template spaces, which can be set to an arbitrary number but should not be used within citations. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:35, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought they appear designated as non-breaking spaces in either editor (at least, that's what I see when I open either the visual or source editor). — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:18, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * PrimeHunter, by "against MOS" did you mean the part of MOS:NBSP that says not to use Alt/255 from the keyboard? I agree. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 08:48, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I mean this: "Insert non-breaking and thin spaces as named character reference ( or  ), or as templates that generate these, and never by entering them directly into the edit window from the keyboard – they are visually indistinguishable from regular spaces, and later editors will be unable to see what they are." PrimeHunter (talk) 02:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Right, spaces are invisible, or at least transparent, and are therefore hard to see.... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 09:13, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, that was exciting. I edited your article to attempt to more faithfully reproduce the source: I hope that was your intent. This led me to research on the and thence to . If you do not like the result, please revert.  However, what would be even better is an actual picture of the actual memorial, if it still exists. For that you would need to reach out to an interested Wikipedian who could go its location with a camera. Also: thanks for the article! it is good as is, but you are free to update the Victorian phraseology to more recent English usage if you want to. -Arch dude (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, folks 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 19:18, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Page name error
Hi,

I made a typo when I tried to rename a Wikipedia page.

The page in question was called "4th constituency of the Pyrénées-Atlantiques". In order to be consistent with the 5 other similar pages I wanted to rename it "Pyrénées-Atlantiques's 4th constituency".

But I made a typing error by adding an x without meaning to and so I accidentally renamed it "Pyrénées-Atlantiques's 4xth constituency".

I can't rename the page because of a redirection problem.

Can someone help me ? Thanks

--Marcel Roblin (talk) 20:03, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi you may want to make a request at WP:RMT if you can't perform the move yourself for technical reasons (because there is already a redirect there, for example) and the move is uncontroversial. Thanks FozzieHey (talk) 22:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you very much for your answer Marcel Roblin (talk) 07:40, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

creating a new article when a redirect is already using the title
I just created the article ¡Americano! (musical). There's also a page for ¡Americano! that is a redirect to a band (Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers) that has an album with that title. There also exists Americano (disambiguation). I've added the album and the musical to the disambiguation page, but I'm not sure what to do with the redirect.

Would it make sense to have ¡Americano! (album) redirect to Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers and then make ¡Americano! forward to ¡Americano! (disambiguation) with just the album and the musical as entries? or to have ¡Americano! forward to Americano (disambiguation)?

Presumably, pages that currently link to ¡Americano! expecting the album would also need to be edited to get to the intended destination.

I'm open to ideas here. I expect there is precedent for this sort of thing. Suggestions? Kenirwin/ (talk) 21:06, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ¡Americano! (album) should definitely redirect to Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers - for the same reason Berlin, Germany redirects to BerlinThe others I'm not 100% sure on. casualdejekyll  19:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The only article that linked to ¡Americano! was Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers. I removed the circular links, and changed ¡Americano! to instead redirect to the disambiguation page Americano.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:02, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @GoingBatty -- thanks! Kenirwin/ (talk) 12:49, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm completely rewriting a draft, and I can't figure out how to edit my references. How can I just start over?
It's for ARPA-H, if that helps anything. I'm using VisualEditor. Thanks! Bdballweg (talk) 21:08, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Bdballweg, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not familiar with the Visual Editor, but I do know that references are defined (and therefore edited) in the text where they are used, not in the "References" list. I believe that you can click on the citation marker in the text, and that will let you edit the reference; but I'm not certain. ColinFine (talk) 21:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, the refs weren't changing when I edited them in the text, but they did after I published changes. Thanks for your help, ColinFine. Bdballweg (talk) 18:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Change email address
Hi!

How do I change the email address of my account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smithx57 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi you should see an option at the bottom of the "User profile" section of the preferences page. Please also remember to sign and date your talk page comments using four tildes (~) . Thanks FozzieHey (talk) 22:03, 3 May 2022 (UTC)