Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 May 30

= May 30 =

mail:
I looked for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tel: (with the colon at the end), i.e. tel:, and found that it redirected to Uniform Resource Identifier. I then wanted the related thing for sending emails, but I thought it was "mail" rather than "mailto", so I went to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/mail: (with the colon at the end), i.e., and ended up at https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/.lists.wikimedia.org, which deals with Wikipedia mailing lists, not an article about URI syntax. Is there a full list of [item]: titles that take you somewhere else? WP:NC-COLON only mentions links to other Wikimedia wikis, like dk: and, not a completely different kind of website institutionally related to Wikipedia. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 00:38, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * See Special:Interwiki for all of these magic link prefixes. Only those with the "Forward" column set to yes will redirect when appended to https://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/, the rest only works when inserted as a link in wikitext. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:10, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Rights
How long should it take for somebody to review my rights. Its been a while now and somebody went through and approved the rights of people in line AFTER me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherrell410 (talk • contribs) 02:11, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Not that I would likely be able to give an informed answer anyway, but what specific "rights" and "review and approval" process are you referencing? If it's unclear to me (a regular editor for over 15 years), it may be unclear to anyone else.
 * I see from your User Logs that you were automatically updated to extended confirmed user on 12 May 2022, and I know that "promotion" to user levels higher than that depend on assessment by (human, volunteer, fallible) admins and may not necessarily work on a strict queue basis, but on what is less or more straightforward to assess. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.235.54 (talk) 05:06, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I assume you are referring to your request at Requests_for_permissions/Pending_changes_reviewer. One day is really not very long at all - I'd advice patience. Someone will probably review your request within a week or two. Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:11, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You made the request less than two days ago, there is no "line" you're waiting in, and there is no requirement for any administrator to work through the list in order. There are also no WP:DEADLINES on Wikipedia. Be patient.
 * Note that an administrator may want to see more WP:AFD experience before granting you the new page reviewer right, particularly since you have created several new articles that have been deleted, suggesting a non-readiness for the right to review new pages. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:14, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I was going for pending changes. Cherrell410 (talk) 13:03, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Question regarding when not to cite
I added a citation to a movie article backing up a statement about a prequel being released, and my edit got reverted. The reason given was something about the sentence including a wikilink to the prequel's article.

I have no issue with the revert being done, I'm just a tad confused as I was unaware there was situations where citations aren't needed. I've read WP:WHENNOTCITE but it's a bit vague and doesn't seem to address this particular issue.

So were they right to revert it? I'm asking on here rather than the editor's talk page as I want to see what the general consensus about this is, if there even is any.

Again I mean no disrespect, I'm just a confused Wikipedian. KaraLG84 (talk) 08:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * There's a general prohibition against using wikilinks as actual citations to corroborate a fact, because Wikipedia is not a reliable source! (Was the revertion by a bot? They sometimes get things wrong.) However, (a) it seems to me likely to be appropriate to mention the prequel, and wikilink that mention to the prequel's article, and (b) the prequel's article must surely itself have a citation to a reliable source concerning its release, which could also be used in the article in question.
 * Yes, it may seem a little pedantic to require a full in-article Reliable source citation instead of a quick and dirty easy wikilink to another article that (presumably) contains that citation somewhere, but the shortcut is deprecated, in part because future edits to (or conceivably even a deletion of) a linked article might render it unhelpful. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.235.54 (talk) 09:17, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * KaraLG84 we need to see the diffs, which are edit and revert. I don't see why your edit was reverted. TSventon (talk) 09:33, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, here's my edit and the revert. KaraLG84 (talk) 09:48, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I forgot to ping you in my last message so consider yourself pinged. KaraLG84 (talk) 09:53, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have left a message on the editor's talk page and directed them to this discussion. I undid their edit, restoring the source and my edit was undone by them again. They are User:GloMonster. KaraLG84 (talk) 11:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is what I thought. KaraLG84 (talk) 09:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

You didn't ping me to this discussion or leave a message until today. You reverted my edit without any comment in the summary or take the discussion to article's talk page. Whilst I'm not expecting politeness, I do expect you to follow Wikipedia etiquette. Your edit appeared to be confrontational and you also appear to have tried to build a consensus against my edit without my knowledge or allow me to reply until now. That means there is no consensus.

The new film's not out until the end of next year therefore my inclination is to remove the sentence altogether until the release. An example of another film that does not have citations in the lead, regarding prequels, sequels and spin-offs etc, is Alien. A precedent has been set there. I think the wikilink is enough as there are numerous citations in the new film's main article. The 1971 film article is not s BLP or controversial and citing everything is a bit WP:BLUESKY tbh.

However, if you're determined to have a citation then create a section in the article and add a line for the new film, similar to the 2005 adaptation, and place your citation there. The lead doesn't require citations if they are within the body of an article WP:LEADCITE. --GloMonsterTalk 18:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * is entirely overblown. Kara posted here, at a help desk, and then left you a message after other people gave her a second opinion. That's well within the norm of how this desk is used. Accusing her of "trying to build a consensus against your edit without your knowledge" both goes against the spirit of WP:AGF and doesn't seem...likely, especially when she did in fact leave you a message directing you here. While it's good to invite all editors involved, your presence is also not required to reach a consensus.
 * As regards the actual content here, the existence of a sequel is not BLUESKY in the slightest and should have a citation somewhere on the page. That said, I also agree with you that the best option here is for some text about the new movie to be added to the 2005 adaptation section, possibly with a section rename at the same time, and then there's no need to cite the statement in the lede. Alyo  (chat·edits) 18:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I couldn't have put it better myself. KaraLG84 (talk) 19:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

User Page Deletion
How do I request the deletion of a user page? The page User:Angellka Shurtschen is something I've been looking at. Nythar (talk) 09:37, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I have deleted that user page. Cullen328 (talk) 17:37, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Nythar (talk) 18:14, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft article
Dear community, I got the speedy deletion message for a website that I linked to some paragraphs of the Wikipedia article, however, I own the whole IP and copyright of what is written in that webpage. Why does such speedy deletion happen? I'm not sure why and I read all the policies and documents from Wikipedia and I'd love to hear tìyour thoughts on how to reverse this course of actions. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zamatt (talk • contribs) 09:51, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia takes copyright law seriously. You copied material from https://www.metavethics.com/, which states "© 2022 MZ. All rights reserved." So your copying was in breach of copyright law, and was deleted.
 * You claim to be the owner of metavethics.com, but you haven't proved it. Anyone could make that claim. If you are the owner, and you want the material there to be usable in Wikipedia, the easiest way would be to replace that copyright message by one allowing copying of the material there. Maproom (talk) 12:28, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You did not violate copyright law, since you copied your own work. However, you violated Wikipedia policy, because we refuse to accept material that is copied from a publication (your web site) that does not provide a compatible copyright license. This policy exists to protect us against claims of copyright infringement, and to protect the copyright holder (you) from inadvertently providing the material to the whole world under a permissive license by re-publishing it here under CC-BY-SA. If you wish to publish under CC-BY-SA, then do that on your own web site, and then (if it it otherwise suitable) copy it here. -Arch dude (talk) 13:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * To be pedantic, you didn't violate copyright law if you copied your own work.  I believe you, and I'm sure that Arch Dude was assuming good faith.... but Maproom makes a good point that we have to follow. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:07, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from 83.85.0.132
I have noticed some vandalism at Mary_Elizabeth_Winstead. Namely, the three recent edits by Pixieskies, adding personal opinion to the section personal life like: "[...] follow a long line of unfaithful scum who rather smash the hearts of their partners, than be adult enough to end their relationships prior to their infidelity". Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, 83.85.0.132 (talk) 11:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello ! has been warned and their vandalism has been reverted.   &maltese; SunDawn &maltese;     (contact)   11:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Deleting WIki account completely
How do I delete my entire wiki account, I have not submitted any articles resulting in approval?

How do I change username if unable to delete?

How do I block a specific user who has been harassing me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tai Curry (talk • contribs) 14:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Accounts cannot be deleted, but if you intend to never return, you may request a vanishing at WP:VANISH. Problems with user behavior may be reported to WP:ANI. 331dot (talk) 14:23, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * How do I change my user name? Tai Curry (talk) 14:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If you just want to change your username, please go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS. That will be recorded in logs, though. 331dot (talk) 14:25, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You may also just stop using your account and create a new one. 331dot (talk) 14:26, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't see where you are being harassed, but I do see where people are correctly informing you this is not the place to promote conversion therapy. 331dot (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not about conversion therapy, I seeked editing advice which could be used for other articles as well. The tone of horrible, I can careless about reporting anyone, I simply do not want to be apart of this platform. Tai Curry (talk) 14:43, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Nobody is forcing you to participate. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikimarkup
Using wikimarkup or Java Script, what is the alternative to the   in HTML formatting? Thanks! Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 22:06, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Super ninja2, you mean, like ? It has to go within , so Mediawiki markup won't do it. I'm unfamiliar with Javascript; but even if this can in principle accomplish such a feat, I'm pretty sure that it's prevented from doing so on this website. What do you actually want to achieve with this? -- Hoary (talk) 23:34, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Super ninja2 What are you trying to do? You seem to be copying and pasting all kinds of non-css stuff into all kinds of css pages? If you want to load a stylesheet from another website for personal use you have two main options.
 * In User:Super ninja2/common.js use mw.loader.load to load a stylesheet, like this:
 * mw.loader.load( 'https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Example/custom-foo.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css', 'text/css' );
 * In User:Super ninja2/common.css use import url to load the stylesheet like so:
 * @import url ( 'https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Example/custom-foo.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css' );
 * If you're trying to style content on a page then you can use a limited subset of CSS elements inline and by using templatestyles. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 23:54, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @192.76.8.78 Thank you so much! Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 00:14, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @192.76.8.78, if you don't mind me asking, how can I get  in JS or CSS? Thanks! Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 11:27, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Talk page
When people attempt to subst templates on my talk page, my talk page goes crazy. Can someone figure out the problem and help? The things work everywhere else... 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 &#124;🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦&#124;☎️&#124;📄 23:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Mr Reading Turtle Fixed it for you, you had a nowiki tag closed out with double brackets instead of a > . 192.76.8.78 (talk) 23:30, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! that one little thing... 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 &#124;🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦&#124;☎️&#124;📄 00:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)