Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 November 25

= November 25 =

Language tag use in names?
Hello there! I had a question regarding language templates and the names of people and cities, please. For example, I was looking at Andrei Tarkovsky's page and saw that next to his name in the lead was the Russia pronunciation - should his name in the lead then be

using the language template, because Template:Lang#Rationale, or should the name just be typed in English? I hope this made sense, and thank you for reading and answering if you can! Have a great day! HeyElliott (talk) 01:16, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

vehicle
why are characters able to use a vehicle to kill players with out bieng damaged by the players there targeting its very annoying and makes people frustrated and not want to play this game 209.205.151.140 (talk) 02:48, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello IP user. This Help Desk is used for topics related to Wikipedia, so if you need help with your game I would suggest you find a forum related to the game that you are playing. Do you have any questions related to Wikipedia? If so, I (and many other editors) would be happy to answer your question. Happy Editing (or playing your video game!) Helloheart   (talk)  03:45, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Hover scroll down option
Can you add a feature for the contents hover for more details as scroll content. It will be useful to see basic details completely. 49.249.229.42 (talk) 03:39, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello IP user, and I would go to WP:Village pump (idea lab) and put your idea there. If that works out, I would go to WP:Village pump (proposals) and propose your idea there. Helloheart   (talk)  03:42, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Ref errors
At History of Dedham, Massachusetts, 1900–1999 there are a couple ref errors that are absolutely boggling me. I can't figure out what I did wrong. Can anyone help? Thanks! -- Slugger O&#39;Toole (talk) 05:55, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . Try looking at Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text for an explanation as to why you're seeing this error. Basically, it looks like you tried to use WP:REFNAME for one or more citations. When you format a citation using "Refname", the "ref" tag of at least one of the citations (usually the first one) needs to be fully formatted using the syntax  followed by the rest of the citation. Then, if you want to cite the same source again, you only need to use the syntax  . My guess is that you either (1) forgot to format one of the citations as "ref name= NAME" or (2) you are using the incorrect "NAME" for the subsequent citations. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly (talk) 06:23, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * After taking a closer look at this, the problem with those two citations was because the main defining citations were incorrectly closed with  instead of   so the software wasn't able to find the defining citation for the subsequent ones. I've fixed things and they should be OK now. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:35, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah. Rookie mistake. Thanks for the help! -- Slugger O&#39;Toole (talk) 14:08, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't feel bad at all. It's incredible how easy it is 1) to make that very mistake (or a hundred others like it), and 2) to miss it completely a dozen times over while rereading your edit character by character trying to figure out what's discombobulating your reference. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:48, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

help to use
I am a new member of Wikipedia. Now please help me understand how we use Wikipedia and how w we can edit articles. thanks Zahid7600 (talk) 06:55, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * One person per account, full stop. Wikipedia does not permit role accounts. First, are you capable of forgetting everything you know about that website, so that you can look for sources about it rather than work backwards from the finish line? —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 07:32, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Start with WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:42, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Zahid7600 And then read WP:BACKWARD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:16, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

French page: remuneration and sources notice
Hello! In this French page there are two red notices that I cannot seem to resolve: one is concerning disclosure of remuneration and another on the lack of sources. I have addressed both of these by disclosing in the Discussion page who is behind it (as I read in an instructions page from Wikipedia) and added more sources, yet the notices are still there. Could anyone please advice what I need to do? Thank you very much in advance! 31.156.181.218 (talk) 08:31, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * That is a question which we on the English Wikipedia can't answer. You'll need to ask at the French Wikipedia;  perhaps start at fr:Aide:Accueil. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of entry
Hello,

Is there a way to retrieve a deleted entry and make any changes necessary? SNForg (talk) 12:47, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @SNForg I'm not sure what you mean. You have been working on Draft:Andreas Dracopoulos which is still there. If you want to see earlier edits to the draft, some content of which may not now be present, then just use the "View history" tab and click on the timestamp of the verison you are interested in, intending to copy/paste out what you need. If this is not what you meant, please be more specific. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:12, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * That draft has now (since the response above) been deleted as a copyright violation. Wikipedia takes copyright law seriously. Maproom (talk) 13:34, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Specifically, we will not restore edits which were deleted as copyright violations. You need to rebuild from scratch. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  15:25, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Links to TV series seasons are not working
In CHiPs, the links to the seasons are not working: when I click on one of them, noting happens.

I've looked at similar table, as in The Dukes of Hazzard and the links are working regularly. I can not see any difference, though, the wikicode is almost the same. Meridiana solare (talk) 13:11, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No the wikicode is very different. You need to compare the "link*" parameters in List of CHiPs episodes with List of The Dukes of Hazzard episodes. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:26, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Aren't they standardize? Is there any guideline?
 * And how to fix it? Meridiana solare (talk) 13:42, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The error is at List of CHiPs episodes. The table uses | link1 = #Season 1 (1977–78) where it needs to also have the title of the article, so | link1 = List of CHiPs episodes#Season 1 (1977–78) . Hope that helps.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:34, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It's more complicated when the links should work well in both pages. I have fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:49, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, @David Biddulph, @Lee Vilenski and @PrimeHunter. Meridiana solare (talk) 16:26, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Is there a way to speed up RSN discussions?
I recently started an RSN discussion at, however nobody else have responded yet. Is there a way to have people come and participate? Due to the number of sources questioned, I don't think an RfC would be very plausible. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:45, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You started the discussion two days ago, on a rather general page. It contains multiple links in (I assume) Bosnian, a language that is not spoken by many Wikipedians, and for which automated translation tools are probably not very good. It is not surprising that nobody has answered.
 * You should probably post a (short, neutral) notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bosnia and Herzegovina pointing to the RSN discussion, and wait at least a week. If that fails, you could definitely run an RfC - RfCs do need a simple question but it does not need to have a simple answer, having to evaluate multiple sources is no barrier. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 17:11, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

regarding ganesh gaikwad
you wrote wrong information about ganesh babanrao gaikwad. the murdere is different prson 2402:E280:3E1A:A66:F02C:6A42:3638:11C9 (talk) 14:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * i don't know what you're talking about, but the article Ganesh Gaikwad sure is bad. → lettherebedarklight → 晚安 → おやすみ → 14:47, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Apparently, someone added something about a murder to Ganesh Gaikwad. This has now been Revdel'ed.
 * India has a lot of people. A quick Google search turned up (at least) three different murderers named Ganesh Gaikwad &mdash; none of which is the cricketer in our article. —  Wasell ( T ) 🌻🇺🇦 16:56, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

How to remove a thumb from a page - it's stuck
Hi. I added an image for a candidate to a by-election page. I just copied and pasted the text from MediaWiki not realizing that the "thumb" attribute had special significance - it apparently makes that image the page thumbnail (meta og:image). Easily fixed, I thought - I edited the page again and removed it. However, it seems to be stuck to the page now. Even after removing it, the page still has a  header pointing to the same image. I tried viewing the page with a ?action=purge flag - no luck. I also tried setting another (non-candidate) image as the thumbnail but that also had no effect. It's not appropriate that one candidate be seen as "special" in this way. How can I get Wikipedia to forget about this image being the page thumbnail? The page in question is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Mississauga%E2%80%94Lakeshore_federal_by-election SheamusPatt (talk) 17:24, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not caused by thumb. See mw:Extension:PageImages, but we usually don't do that for elections. The other image is automatically exluded because it's displayed at less than 119 px (it's 117px). PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding class=notpageimage did the trick - thanks.
 * I'm still royally confused as to why it was picked in the first place. It's not the first picture. The Sousa picture is first and is actually 193px x 293px on Mediawiki (both are scaled to 160px on the page). The image farther down actually has the "thumb" attribute but is not chosen (so my latest version has no page image at all). SheamusPatt (talk) 17:25, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Image sizes are normally specified by width.  would be a width but the images say   which scales them so the height becomes 160px (same height looks better for images next to eachother). The Sousa image gets width 193/293 × 160px = 107px. I incorrectly said 117px earlier but the point remains: It's less than 119px so it's excluded as page image. By the way, the first image is actually File:Flag of Canada (Pantone).svg but it's displayed at 50px so it's also excluded. You set   for the only remaining image in the lead and   is set to true for Wikipedia in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:53, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Describing a death
Do we have any guidance/policy on how we describe a death? On the Sarfraz Ali (general) page, his death in an aviation accident was described until 15/9/22 as a “death”. It was then changed by a now-blocked sock, User:Toomanyyearskodakblack, to “martyrdom”. I flipped it back as unencyclopedic, but it’s been reverted by a SPA, User:IcedOutDevil2, who claims to be, and may well be, a member of the late general’s family. The issue is that some of the newspaper sources used do indeed refer to the deaths as “martyrdom”. Ordinarily, we’d go with what the sources say, but it doesn’t feel quite right to do so here. Any thoughts? KJP1 (talk) 17:31, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * 'Martyrdom' is clearly opinion, rather than fact, and should not be asserted in Wikipedia's voice. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with AndyTheGrump. Sarfraz Ali was not killed for his religious beliefs. He died in a helicopter crash. Cullen328 (talk) 18:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks both - I’d not thought of the “Wikipedia’s voice” aspect. I fear there may be some edit-warring ahead. KJP1 (talk) 18:31, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

How to find an older version in an article with thousands of edits
Specifically, I'm looking for the Nov. 25, 2018, version of the Donald Trump BLP. Also looking for what our BLPs for other recent POTUSes looked like halfway through their first term. Clicking back through the history 500 edits at a time is too laborious; surely there's a quicker, easier way? Thanks, YoPienso (talk) 21:01, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Use "Filter revisions" at top of the page history, or click "older" once and then manually change the date (first 8 digits of ) in the url. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:12, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, PrimeHunter. Now let's see if I'm smart enough to follow your directions! I found a hint somewhere about changing the date in the url, but I was unable to find a url that had a date in it. Wish me luck! YoPienso (talk) 21:20, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah! "Filter revisions" worked!
 * Still couldn't find a date in the url, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Trump&type=revision&diff=1123812520&oldid=1123734719
 * But the filter worked like a charm, so I don't need to bother my pretty head with the url. ;) YoPienso (talk) 21:25, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I meant "older n" for some number n in the page history. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:30, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Revision of my entry below
Colin Dayan, also known as Joan Dayan, is the Robert Penn Warren Professor in the Humanities at Vanderbilt University, where she teaches American studies, comparative literature, and the religious and legal history of the Americas. She has written extensively on prison law and torture, Caribbean culture and literary history, as well as on Haitian poetics, Edgar Allan Poe, and the history of slavery. After receiving her Ph.D. from the City University of New York Graduate Center in 1980, she taught at Princeton University, Yale University, the City University of New York, the University of Arizona, and the University of Pennsylvania.

After publishing A Rainbow for the Christian West (1977), an introduction to René Depestre's poetry and a translation of his long poem Un arc-en-ciel pour l'occident chrétien, she turned to early American literature and published Fables of Mind: An Inquiry into Poe's Fiction (1987). Haiti, History, and the Gods (1995, 1998) reorients the study of Haitian history through what she calls "literary fieldwork".The Story of Cruel and Unusual (2007), focuses on the Eighth Amendment's prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment and traces the precedents for the torture of detainees in the "war on terror".

The Law is a White Dog, How Legal Rituals Make and Unmake Persons was published in Spring 2011. Her next book was With Dogs at the Edge of Life (2016). Dayan’s recent memoirs In the Belly of Her Ghost (2019) and "Animal Quintet" (2020) takes readers to the Jim Crow South through the voice of her mother, who appears as muse, fury, and haunt.

Dayan has received an NEH fellowship (1986); a Guggenheim fellowship (2005) recognized her work on conditions of disfigured personhood and civil death that outlive slavery itself. She has been a fellow at the Shelby Cullom Davis Center in the Department of History and a fellow in the Program in Law and Public Affairs, both at Princeton. Her memoirs of growing up in Atlanta, Georgia have been published in The Yale Review, Southwest Review, and The Arizona Quarterly. A contributor to the London Review of Books and Boston Review,she was elected a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2012.

2600:1700:1431:59F0:5022:EBB5:24FB:655E (talk) 22:46, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * We already have an article on Colin Dayan. If you wish to edit it, please be WP:BOLD and do so, or suggest changes on its Talk Page at Talk:Colin Dayan. There is no need to insert anything here at the Help Desk, which is a place to seek help with editing or policy. Mike Turnbull (talk) 23:01, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Arena Independência
On Oct. 6, this article was, unilaterally and without previous discussion, moved from its traditional and common name "Estádio Independência" to "Arena Independência". This move ws not uncontroversial, so it shouldn't have been done without previous discussion. Now, this move created a huge mess. Today, a disambiguation page was created and all the articles that used to link to Estádio Independência (and there's a huge number of them, since this is an important stadium in Brazil) are linked to the disambiguation. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 23:34, 25 November 2022 (UTC)