Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 November 9

= November 9 =

How to show language when using lang template?
I'm trying to show the name of the language when using the lang template. How can I do it? The text is Grupo de Apoyo Mutuo and I'm using for it the following wikitext: Grupo de Apoyo Mutuo. Cheers! Thinker78 (talk) 00:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * → Grupo de Apoyo Mutuo
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Thinker78  (talk) 00:34, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Thinker78 if you intend to write "Grupo de Apoyo Mutuo", then you should remove "italic=no" to conform with MOS:FOREIGNITALIC; so Grupo de Apoyo Mutuo. Bazza (talk) 09:50, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bazza 7, per your mentioned guideline, "Names of organizations and institutions should not be in italics, unless the context would otherwise require it". Cheers! Thinker78  (talk) 00:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @ The full text of that guideline states "Names of organizations and institutions should not be in italics, unless the context would otherwise require it, as upon first usage in an article about the organization.", which is what I was referring to. I can't think of any other time you'd want to include the language name, as the OP originally asked. Bazza (talk) 13:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bazza 7 why do you think the context requires italics in this case? Thinker78  (talk) 18:32, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @ I don't know why you want to precede the foreign language phrase with the language's name. Most articles which contain this construct have it at the start of the article when a term is being defined in a language other than English, so meeting MOS:FOREIGNITALIC's requirement to use italics; see English Channel for an example. As I suggested before, I can't think of why else you require the Spanish text in "Grupo de Apoyo Mutuo" to not be in italics, although you may have a requirement I'm unaware of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bazza 7 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bazza 7 sorry, but I got lost a little bit. I didn't get your answer about why do you think in this case Grupo de Apoyo Mutuo requires italics. You did mention the guideline before and we had an interaction. Can you provide a more specific and elaborate rationale why you think it needs to be in italics? I suggest to focus on other items only after we clarify this, to avoid confusion. Cheers! Thinker78  (talk) 19:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

70.23.210.239
I reverted the last two edits by 70.23.210.239. I don't know enough about the relative prevalence of COVID in the States to determine if the edit to Rise Up New York! should also be reverted. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 02:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * That edit removed material which was later re-added in a slightly revised form by an experienced editor, so it should be fine, thanks. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

editing wikipedia
This is Matt Van Buren. I retired in 2018. How do I update that on my page? 167.89.203.252 (talk) 03:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * log in and add retired at the top of your user page. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 03:56, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you've misunderstood. I took this to mean this person is Matt Van Buren, an MMA fiughter who hasn't fought since 2017.
 * To answer the IPs question, all Wikipedia content is meant to be based on coverage in reliable sources. If a reliable source has reported on your retirement, any user can add that information to the article. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:59, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * yeah, i'm definitely wrong. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 13:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Matt, thanks for asking first, WP prefers that you don't edit the article directly yourself. We need something acceptable to source "retired" to (per our WP:BLP rules). In this particular case, a WP:ABOUTSELF source like your Facebook (it has the blue checkmark) would work, so if you add something like "Retired from mma in 2018" at say, that should be usable. If you do, mention it here or on my talkpage and hopefully someone will take care of it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Matt! You should also be able to use the Edit Request Wizard to ask for assistance. Enjoy your retirement!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Help with Template:navseasoncats in two categories
The two most recent college basketball seasons with independent teams are Category:2014–15 NCAA Division I men's basketball independents season and Category:2022–23 NCAA Division I men's basketball independents season. But since they're 7 seasons apart, when you go to those two categories, it's not possible to easily navigate between them via navseasoncats at the top. Is there a way to modify in each of those cats to make the succeeding / preceding NCAA independents season category appear?

I hope this question makes sense, it was difficult to describe. SportsGuy789 (talk) 04:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know what is expected for the future but you can use Irregular chronology category navigation like below. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * That worked, thank you! SportsGuy789 (talk) 14:02, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Can't create a redirect
I am trying to add a redirect for MK5056. Following the pattern I saw yesterday, I am not allowed to do so, and there is no offer to make a draft.

1) what is special about this page that a draft is not being offered? There is no entry in the deletion log and no other reason I can see. 2) as this is a redirect, a draft is not appropriate. What can I do?

108.168.93.43 (talk) 13:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * you can request it at WP:AFC/R. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 13:35, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed on (2), but I am trying to understand why this is occurring. See the thread above. 108.168.93.43 (talk) 14:35, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * As noted above, the difference is that if you click on a redlink you will not get the offer for the wizard, if you search for it you do. 108.168.93.43 (talk) 14:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Explanation why my topic was not accepted
I have edited some topics and tried to propose a page. The page was denied and I don't know why. The person who denied it is no longer available to explain why it was denied or what else I can do to establish a page.

Is ther anyone that can help? Thank you, Laura LGOWA (talk) 14:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * What topic was it, and where did you propose it? On articles for creation or something similar? 108.168.93.43 (talk) 14:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe they're talking about their now-deleted sandbox page. @LGOWA, Wikipedia is not a place for chronicling processes - it is not meant to be a "How to" guide, but a collection of encyclopedia articles which summarize what reliable sources have said about notable subjects. I can't see the content of the deleted page, but it sounds like this may've been the issue. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:49, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * There is, possibly, a copy of the deleted material at User talk:LGOWA/sandbox. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:51, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed. A summary of what reliable sources have said about "integrated tactical planning" might be viable as an encyclopaedia article. An account of your experience, however valuable it might be, is not appropriate for Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 14:55, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @LGOWA Also, User:LGOWA/sandbox shows that the page was deleted by . I don't understand why you said "The person who denied it is no longer available", as the user has made other edits to Wikipedia on November 9 and 10. GoingBatty (talk) 19:10, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Inserting thumbnail in infobox
Hi..trying to insert a thumbnail photo in an infobox and in preview it displays: File:BarryforWikipedia.jpg in red rather than the image. The article is "Colleen Barry" What am I doing wrong? Thank you. Brooksjim (talk) 15:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Brooksjim, the file is File:Barry for Wikipedia.jpg. The spaces are important. Please remember to declare any COI you may have with this subject. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Brooksjim, you have restored promotional wording which I removed from the article, and you have not declared what seems to be an evident COI. I have left a warning on your talk page and started a discussion on the article's talk page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi..I tried to declare the evident COI but saw no means for doing it. I previously declared a COI when I attempted to post a page for the school here at Cornell so I understand the concept, not the execution. I restored the wording because I didn't realize the scope of the edits, that another person was involved, and because it had, I believe, previously been approved. Again, operator error (me). My updates only concerned adding detail regarding years, and a thumbnail photo. The edits were minor and left the wording untouched. I'm happy to backtrack and take whatever steps are necessary. Thank you. Brooksjim (talk) 19:31, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Brooksjim, I've left a follow-up message on your talk page about the disclosure requirements. Please consider using edit requests (or the Edit Request Wizard if you find that easier) to suggest edits via the talk page in the future, as our COI policy strongly suggests. I see you're aware that the images are being considered for deletion; there seem to be some issues with their copyright status, and some odd exif data on the second one. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:59, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . I just have three comments. Number one is that infobox images generally should not be formatted as thumbnails as explained in WP:IBI. Since most infoboxes have set up to automatically size the main image so that it can be seen accessed by most devices, there's no need to use a thumbnail-type markup for size purposes. In addition, since most infoboxes have a caption parameter for images, there's no need to use a thumbnail-type markup for caption purposes. Number two is that you should carefully read through WP:COI and WP:PSCOI if you're personally or professional connected to Barry and do your utmost to follow guidance given on those pages. Lastly, number three is that you should read c:COM:Own work and make sure any files you upload to Commons are really your "own work". Generally, the copyright of a photo is "owned" by the person who takes it, and only the copyright holder of a photo can claim it as their "own work" and give their c:COM:CONSENT. The subject of a photo doesn't typically own it's copyright unless it has been transferred to them. So, if you didn't take the Barry photo and you want to use it on Wikipedia, you will need to find out who took it and get their consent. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:23, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Just adding that I fixed the thumbnail-in-infobox issue when I was tidying the article, so that's not an issue which still needs to be resolved, but it's good information to have for the future. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:31, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

recapture not working
Why isn't the recapture code working so I can publish some edits? I type it in exactly as it looks, but it makes no difference! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:2A12:6D01:39B7:9553:27FB:FE2D (talk) 21:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Looks like you're editing on mobile. There seem to be issues with the captcha not working on one or more of the mobile apps. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Template
For IP addresses that are used by many people, is there some sort of template that can be placed on the talk page? I don't think I've ever seen anything like that, but someone just asked me to place one. Roundish  ⋆  t c) 23:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * or one of its brethren is likely your best bet. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 23:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks! -- Roundish   ⋆  t c) 23:50, 9 November 2022 (UTC)