Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 September 13

= September 13 =

How is the main page ("Main Page") *NOT* displaying its title ("Main Page") like other pages do?
The main page is named "Main Page". Most pages automatically display their title as an H1 near the top, but Main Page does not (at least not in the skin I'm using, which is apparently MonoBook). How is this being accomplished?

I thought maybe it was using a template, magic word, or custom CSS to do this, but I've tried and failed to find such a thing in use: I found that Template:DISPLAYTITLE exists, but I don't see it being used in the source of Main Page. Nor do I see any of the page name-related magic words used there. And I found that Main Page uses Main Page/styles.css, but I don't see anything in that CSS to suppress display of the title.

To be clear, I know that it does say "main page" as the name of one of its top tabs (in the spot where a "normal" article would have an "article" tab). I don't see how that's happening either, but in any case it's not what I'm talking about: I'm talking about the thing that on a "normal" article would be an H1 displayed under the tab row, and above the "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" line.

Thanks in advance. -Rwv37 (talk) 06:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Rwv37: Afaik, the title of the main page can be set by editing the MediaWiki:Mainpage-title special page on a given wiki running the MediaWiki software. For Wikipedia, the special page is purposefully left empty to not show a title. Regards So  Why  08:24, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, see FAQ/Main Page This method is a new feature from 2022. Previously it was done with code in MediaWiki:Vector.css, removed here. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:59, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Sports in Temuco
Hello, the categories Sports venues in Temuco, Sports in Temuco, which I created, was marked for deletion because it was empties. But I just added articles or subcategories to it, so please kindly remove the delete template. Thanks in advance. Soy Juampayo (talk) 07:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ✔️ by someone else. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Source clean up?
Hi, I remember a couple of months ago I was using this tool where you could go through pages that had tags and you could fill them in. It also had other options such as selecting a specific WikiProject such as Medicine. I'm not too sure where to find this tool again, and if someone could point me in the right direction that'd be swell. I thought it was quite fun, if I'm going to be honest. Kinda like random page but actually productive. Chur X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 12:42, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * https://citationhunt.toolforge.org? * Pppery * it has begun... 14:08, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, exactly what I was looking for X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 20:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

New Category
I suggest to create a new category in English in order to include the subjects of the German category https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Tr%C3%A4ger_des_Goldenen_Parteiabzeichens_der_NSDAP. I do not know exactly to do that. Thank you! Alexander Tendler (talk) 14:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello Alexander. There is already Category:Nazi Party politicians. Is there a need for something else (particularly given that many of the articles in de:Kategorie:Träger des Goldenen Parteiabzeichens der NSDAP do not currently have corresponding English articles). ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Recipients of the Golden Party Badge was deleted at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 January 5 and again at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 26. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The fact that this category exists in several other languages proves the necessity of a version in English. In any case, it is not my cup of tea. Alexander Tendler (talk) 19:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia languages are edited independently and decide their own rules. Maybe the other languages have other requirements for categories. The original nomination said "Per WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)". Maybe they have no specific rules. The English Wikipedia is larger and has more rules and processes. Maybe they do fail local rules or practice but haven't been subject to a disscussion. None of it matters here. Content in the English Wikipedia is not determined by other languages and there is no "necessity" to do something just because some other languages do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. However, it may be useful to have also in English categories parallel to other languages. In any case, I accept the previous decision of the community and have nothing to add. Alexander Tendler (talk) 07:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Youtube as a source
Can a youtube video be used as a source to prove something exists? See this diff, the youtube video that directly proves it is here. I understand that youtube videos are not considered reliable sources in general, but for this particular case, would it be a reliable source? Rob3512 ( Talk ) 16:18, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * If the only evidence that 'something exists' can be found in a YouTube video primary source, why is it relevant to discuss this in an article? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:34, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * In my view, existence is irrelevant, and so demonstrating it is irrelevant. Lots of non-existent things have been extensively written about, eg Unicorns, and so Wikipedia has articles on them. If this appearance has not been independently written about, it does not belong in the article. ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The source is definitely reliable per WP:PLOTCITE (= anything that can be readily seen or read in a work of art/entertainment, without margin for interpretation, can be sourced to the primary source). However, as ColinFine said, you would need to demonstrate that this stuff is not WP:TRIVIA. I believe it falls under MOS:POPCULT, which says that it should at a minimum be discussed by at least one independent source to be included (but local consensus can demand more). Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 17:12, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks to all, I'll have the edit marked appropriately. Rob3512  ( Talk ) 20:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I wrote a (short) essay on why this is usually a bad idea: WP:EDWS. — PerfectSoundWhatever  (t; c) 21:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

My page called: God's Closet
Hello,

I'm not sure you can help me but I found no other place to ask my question so I'm sending it here. I paid a website to help me get a page about a ministry that I founded posted on Wikipedia. The page on Wikipedia that I am trying to get listed will be called: God's Closet.

I paid the website that I found online the money they asked for to help people list their page, they did assisted me with creating the content, I provided the pictures and the detailed links. They said that they worked along with you, --I don't understand how to get the page on Wikipedia so that is why I paid for their assistance and to help me to go through the process of getting my page (God's Closet) on Wikipedia. Their website is called wikisysops.com. I have waited for a while now for the page to be listed on Wikipedia. I've called wikisysops and no one answers. They have now had 3 people working with me, first it was Jane then she disappeared, I've sent messages with no reply. They say they will check with Wikipedia and get back to me, but they don't. I am now very concerned if this was a legitimate transaction and/or if wisksysops is genuine or if I got taken for my money and it was a scam.

I'm reaching out to you to find out if you could please kindly help. I'd like to know if the page's information was at all submitted to you by wikisysops.com. If I am contacting the wrong area of Wikipedia to ask this question and ask for assistance would you please give me details on the correct place where I could go and ask this question to get some answers. I am very worried.

I thank you for your assistance,

Regards,

Merryl Moore 45.24.139.194 (talk) 18:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but you are the victim of an unethical organization. We cannot help you, because Wikipedia has no relationship with this organization. We do our best to dissuade people from using organizations like this. You were scammed. -Arch dude (talk) 18:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Please see Articles for creation/Scam warning. -Arch dude (talk) 18:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed; you fell for a scam which preys on people who both fundamentally misunderstand Wikipedia's purpose and desperately want an article for whatever reason. (As a general rule, it's highly unlikely any organisation that has just been founded will have enough third-party sources to warrant an article.) I'd in fact wager that this website doesn't have anyone actually editing Wikipedia (or if they do, the lot of them are blocked). —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 19:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * "I paid a website to help me get a page about a ministry that I founded posted on Wikipedia." - That is almost always a mistake.
 * "I paid the website that I found online the money they asked for" - That money is gone.
 * "I don't understand how to get the page on Wikipedia" - Unfortunately, if you are trying to get a page about yourself or your organization on Wikipedia, you've already made a mistake.
 * "Their website is called wikisysops.com." - Thank you. That information will help us in the never ending fight against abusive editing practices. When I looked at their website they provided Kendare Blake as an example of what they claim is "30,000+ profiles" they created (this number is doubtful).  People visiting that page now will be greeted with a banner informing them that "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use."  Hopefully that will help dissuade some future "customers" of theirs from falling into their trap.
 * "I have waited for a while now for the page to be listed on Wikipedia. I've called wikisysops and no one answers." - Because they have your money.
 * "They say they will check with Wikipedia and get back to me" - There is no one for them to check with, and they won't get back with you.
 * "I am now very concerned if this was a legitimate transaction" - it wasn't. "or if I got taken for my money and it was a scam." - You have been scammed. You are not the first, and you won't be the last.
 * "I'd like to know if the page's information was at all submitted to you by wikisysops.com." - You have come to the right place. I can tell you that Draft:God's Closet has never existed, nor has God's Closet.  There is no deletion log indicating they have ever been deleted.  I do not believe a draft was ever submitted.
 * Wikipedia is not intended to be an advertising platform. The thousands of volunteers who have dedicated hours of their free time to building this resource get annoyed at people trying to use it as such. They get annoyed at scammers exploiting the success of their efforts.
 * In order for an article about something to continue exist, the article needs to demonstrate that the topic meets a requirement that we call Notability. The key to notability is "A topic is  to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received  in  that are ."  In most cases, if a topic reaches the level of notability we are looking for, eventually a volunteer editor will take interest and write an article without having to be asked.
 * I did a quick Google search, and so far as I can tell, there appear to be several things with that name, and none of them appear to reach the threshold of notability required at this time. Now, I could be wrong, I didn't do a through search, but odds are that no article can be created that would survive an deletion discussion at this time.
 * I suggest you use this as a learning experience. Stop trying to get God's Closet on Wikipedia.  Do not give money to scammers that could be put to better use doing the work of your ministry. Let your ministry produce good fruit, and by your fruit you will be known.
 * ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 19:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * IP editor, ths blue words in ths replies here are clickable links which will give you much more information. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 02:17, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I would like to comment on the name . Sysop is outdated slang for an administrator on Wikipedia. I am one of about 480 active administrators on the English Wikipedia, and I can assure you that any administrator who worked for such a sleazy organization would have their administrator rights removed in short order. We are forbidden to use our administrative tools for money. Their claim of having created 30,000 "profiles" is ludicrous. These people are liars and con artists. Sorry that you got scammed. Cullen328 (talk) 05:26, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Alt account
This is an alt account/sockpuppet of User:Dahme002 who was blocked a year and a half ago. The Tips  of   Apmh  21:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Is this a confession, or did you forget to post the name of the account you're talking about? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:01, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm going to assume they forgot to actually link the account they are referring to. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ... maybe. Funny, though - I notice that if you "skew" the message here to the left, using the method The Tips of Apmh discussed on their talk page, you get "You can't stop me. I will simply create a new account." 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Meh. If you are indeed Dahme002, then congratulations, you've managed to mature and come back as a constructive editor and nobody noticed until now. Good job. I don't think that blocking this account would prevent harm to the encyclopedia, given that the previous account was blocked for childish vandalism. Go forth and vandalize no more. GeneralNotability (talk) 00:36, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

"Your Impact"
Is there a way to generate something like the "Your Impact" on the newcomer page, but on my own user page, with more entries or maybe other configurable parameters? Thanks, Help Desk! — LumonRedacts 22:06, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @LumonRedacts There is a page Special:Impact but personally I don't find it very useful. It seems to be a snapshot of the pages you recently edited, with number of pageviews since you edited them. I don't know if it can be configured. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:55, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mike Turnbull - ok yes, this is exactly what is transcluded(?) into the newcomer page! Have some kind of Pavlovian response to my numbers, so want more and recognize this is just a "newbie wow/motivation" thing. No doubt useful only to newfolk like myself that can only thumb-smash out a couple edits a day. Happy to turn off the newcomer page setting and just use this special page, though. Appreciate! — LumonRedacts 13:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)