Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 September 16

= September 16 =

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Please can you tell me why my last article was deleted? Jedidiahosoba (talk) 00:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Jedidiahosoba, you moved an inadequate article to mainspace (where the public can see it), so it was moved to a WP:DRAFT and the mainspace redirect was deleted under WP:R2. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Jedidiahosoba (talk) 02:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The editor who moved the article to draft space was doing you a favor. The alternative would be outright deletion of the article. You now have time to work on the article and get constructive reviews by experienced editors to help you bring it up the an acceptable quality for inclusion in Wikipedia mainspace. Keep working on it. -Arch dude (talk) 02:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. Can you enlighten me on how to share with experienced editors? so the article can be reviewed. Jedidiahosoba (talk) 02:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * certainly. First, look at WP:YFA to get some idea of what your article should look like. After you have edited to to get fairly close to what we need, add the following syntax to the top of your article: . This will add a "submit" button to the top of the article. Click on the button to submit the article for review. There are three possible outcomes: "accepted", "rejected", and "declined".  If your article is rejected, it stands no chance of ever being accepted, probably because the subject is not notable. If it is accepted, great! the reviewer will move it into mainspace. If it is "declined", you can keep improving it:the reviewer thinks it needs improvement but it is not hopeless, so don't despair. Treat the reviewer's comments as suggestions for improvement, not as criticisms. -Arch dude (talk) 03:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Psst, if you want to show a substituted template, use tls, as in {{subst:submit}}. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Creating an author page on Wikipedia
Dear Wikipedia, I am known as Andy F. I am a first time book author. I am also a recovering alcoholic in AA who identifies as an agnostic. God and a higher power are mentioned in 6 of AA's twelve steps. It has been an enormous challenge to get sober in AA. I would like to write an article about getting sober as a non believer. I have written a book called "The twelve steps for agnostics" which I believe will help other atheists and agnostics that come to AA with a desire to stop drinking. I would like to include the URL to my website which is full of blogs about recovery from alcoholism. I would like to do this without breaking any of Wikipedias guidelines. I just need some advice and guidance of how to proceed. My account page on Wikipedia is Aaforagnostics Aaforagnostics (talk) 02:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . Even though you should be commended for your efforts not only to get and remain sober but also for your desire to help others, it sounds like you're misunderstanding some very important things about Wikipedia. I'm not trying to sound rude, but you probably should take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything for some general information about Wikipedia. There are probably some WP:ALTERNATIVES to Wikipedia that are probably are better suited for sharing your story with others. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I congratulate you for staying sober if alcohol consumption was causing you problems. But you are only eligible for a Wikipedia biography if multiple reliable, independent  published sources have devoted significant coverage to you. We take those standards quite seriously. Cullen328 (talk) 06:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Twinkle
how do i get twinkle? MrScoobyAU (talk) 04:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Twinkle requires your account to be autoconfirmed (that means, it must have at least 10 edits and exist for 4 full days). I see that you have 10 edits already, but currently still fail the 4 days tenure requirement. Once you meet both requirements, you can enable Twinkle at Special:Preferences. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Easiest way to request article reassessment?
There’s an article with multiple WikiProject tags that needs reassessment. At some point in the deep past, you could flag an article in the project tag for reassessment, but I don’t believe that is true any more. How does one currently go about requesting article reassessment? Viriditas (talk) 08:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It would make it easier for others to help if you named the article. - X201 (talk) 13:04, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @X201 It occurs to me that although @Viriditas may have a particular article in mind right now he is asking a general question rather than naming a specific article because he wants to know the proper way to request article reassessment in the future, and the correct answer to that is unlikely to be "ask the helpdesk for someone to come reassess the article." ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 13:19, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I suggested naming the article, because without knowing which projects are involved, it's impossible to give an accurate answer. The only answer possible is a general "Check the instructions for each project template or the related project" - X201 (talk) 13:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was referring to the assessment over at Talk:Aztec High School shooting, which is tagged by WikiProject Crime, WikiProject Death / Suicide, WikiProject Schools, and WikiProject United States / New Mexico.  A long time ago, some projects would use reassessment flags, but I guess it never caught on.  The advantage is that any member of a project could reassess an article in the category.  That makes the job of requesting a reassessment much easier.  My understanding is that without that, you have to go to each project and request it on the talk page, which takes a long time and is unlikely to yield results. Viriditas (talk) 00:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

How do I cross-reference categories?
I'm looking to find articles which appear in multiple categories. For example, I want a list of articles which are in all of "New Zealand people", "Living people", and "1930s births". How could I generate such a list? HenryCrun15 (talk) 09:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:PETSCAN. - X201 (talk) 09:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Aileen Cannon
Cannon heard the case of Trump v. United States, where former U.S. president Trump asked the court to appoint a special master to review the materials seized from Mar-a-Lago in August 2022. On August 27, Cannon signaled she was inclined to grant the motion; two days later the Justice Department told Cannon it had completed its review of materials that may fall under attorney–client privilege. She granted Trump's request on September 5. The decision was widely criticized, including by legal scholars from across the political spectrum, a Bush administration Homeland Security official, and former prosecutors. Among her most notable critics was Trump's former Attorney General William Barr, who went on Fox News twice within a week to criticize Cannon's opinion. Personal life Leaving opinions like this in there only shows bias. 12.109.95.138 (talk) 10:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You seem to object to some wording in our article Aileen Cannon. You should head over to the talk page of the article, Talk:Aileen Cannon, to make that objection.
 * Those sentences are reasonably sourced, so an argument based on "it’s the personal opinion of biased Wikipedia editors" is bound to fail. However, the argument "this sentence gives undue weight to one side" has a better chance of working. Make sure to present reliable sources that say the decision was fine / normal / not exceptional. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:38, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Unknown references in article Tapiola
The article Tapiola cites two references, "Heideman Jr 1975" and "Hertzen 1959" but never explains what they are. They were added by User:Chris fonty in this edit eleven years ago. That was Chris fonty's only edit ever. Unless these references are explained, they are useless. What should be done about this? J I P &#124; Talk 11:49, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Searching for "Tapiola Heideman" gives this, which is dated 1976. I haven't looked at the text, but I guess that either it is the paper referred to, or another work by the same author. If this paper supports the claim in question, then this can be used as the source. ColinFine (talk) 12:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I have tagged them with . It's a common problem with short citations. DuncanHill (talk) 13:33, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


 * a Worldcat search finds two articles about Tapiola by Heikki von Hertzen. TSventon (talk) 15:39, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @JIP plugging the Heideman info into Google Scholar gives a good-looking result. - R. S. Shaw (talk) 19:28, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @JIP Based on all of this, have you updated the article? I don't see it at the moment. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Obviously fake drafts
Hello! So occasionally while viewing recent edits in SWViewer, I come across someone creating a draft that is obviously a hoax. So should I request it be deleted per G3 or should I leave it because it's a draft? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Blaze Wolf Maybe best to warn the User with Uw-hoax. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, if it is obviously a hoax, G3 applies in draft space. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 04:27, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Regarding page lock and page revert
Hi i would like to know about page locking and page revert 38.105.245.66 (talk) 14:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * See Blocking policy and Help:Reverting. If this doesn't answer your questions then please be more specific. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think they're talking about Protection policy rather than blocking. Calling protection "locking" is a pretty common mistake it seems.  Madeline  ( part of me ) 15:18, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I mean, calling protection locking makes sense, since a protected article displays a padlock in the upper right corner. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 04:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

How to disable Watchpage box "Mark all changes as seen"?
I've looked through Preferences and visited the MediaWiki help page (many years stale), but am unable to find a checkbox to remove this annoying box from my Watchpage. I want unseen edits to remain bold, but slow page loading and pressing a misplaced cursor unbolds all edits. This box is something I would never check. Thanks for advice. Zefr (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Add this to (create the page if it doesn't exist):
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 16:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That worked. Zefr (talk) 17:11, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That worked. Zefr (talk) 17:11, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Robert Kraft articles
I am Robert Alan Kraft (Emeritus UPenn faculty), but material relating to Robert K. Kraft (NFL Patriots Team owner), such as pictures of him, appears on my entry (and not my pictures). Can anything be done to correct such mis disamiguation? Thanks. 2601:48:4480:5220:3592:D7CC:33FC:CC18 (talk) 17:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this showing in Google? The Google Knowledge Graph presents information from different sources and it often looks like it is all from Wikipedia, and we can't control that. RudolfRed (talk) 17:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines.
 * The image on Wikipedia's article about you is this one:File:RobertAKraft.gif. ColinFine (talk) 17:25, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * When I google Robert A. Kraft and Robert Alan Kraft, I see the correct picture. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  00:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Portuguese Translations
Hi! I was wondering if it is okay for me to make portuguese translations for wikipedia pages that don't have that language available yet. Would there be any review by Wikipedias volunteers or reviewers?

Thank you for your attention.

Best regards, Xavier Sedas Xaviersedas (talk) 19:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Xaviersedas, you would have to ask on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Different Wikipedias have different policies and guidelines. Translation from other Wikipedias is fine as long as you mention the translation. Sungodtemple (talk) 19:11, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Xaviersedas (talk) 08:34, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There is general guidance at Translate us, but as Sungodtemple says, it is up to you to make sure that you comply with the policies of pt-wiki. ColinFine (talk) 22:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Xaviersedas (talk) 08:35, 20 September 2022 (UTC)