Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 September 24

= September 24 =

Searching references
When using the search engine, does it also include the references? For example if I wanted to see how many articles have the string "wikipedia.org" somewhere in the references, would those articles be listed in the search? Thanks for the help. Ned n07b07 (talk) 01:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Sometimes such a thing can work, but in this case wikipedia.org is a WP:REDIRECTed page; so, searching for it directly will bring you to the article about Wikipedia. If you want to search the url "wikipedia.org" then you might have to tweak the syntax a bit (i.e. use a syntax trick) that will allow you to search for it as an url. Have you tried asking about this at WP:VPT? -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This search finds 12 articles where:
 * Maybe that is a good search; maybe it can be improved.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 02:53, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And it can. If I remove the extraneous space character, this search finds about 6100 articles.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 03:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * But that is too loose because it finds .  So this search requires proper open and close  tags and finds about 900 articles.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 03:16, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You can use  as part of your search string to force the search to look in the wikitext. Doing so with "wikipedia.org" turns up 60,890 articles, but not all of those are in references. One imperfect way to narrow it down is to search for "insource:"url=https://en.wikipedia.org"", which gives (mostly) results from Template:cite and its derivatives, mainly used in references. Most of these probably need to be fixed, as Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 03:16, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You can use  as part of your search string to force the search to look in the wikitext. Doing so with "wikipedia.org" turns up 60,890 articles, but not all of those are in references. One imperfect way to narrow it down is to search for "insource:"url=https://en.wikipedia.org"", which gives (mostly) results from Template:cite and its derivatives, mainly used in references. Most of these probably need to be fixed, as Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

my workpage/wikipedia
Hi, I have worked as a music producer and composer for many years. I would like to update what is written about me in wikipedia with links to productions and films etc. Is there a good guide on how to do this? thank you so much for your help! 217.213.134.192 (talk) 08:36, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You should make an edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed. The article about you should be summarizing what independent reliable sources say about you, and not merely link to your work. Please see the autobiography policy for further guidance in editing about yourself. 331dot (talk) 08:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * hi ip user! we heavily discourage editing articles you are connected to yourself. there are also many policies regarding this kind of situation in Conflict of interest, like that you have to disclose that you are the subject themself and thus have a CoI (and for this, it's best to have an account since IPs are prone to changing all the time, but it's not required required as long as it's always clear there's a disclosure). happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 08:42, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Additional information on Gilbert Jose
I do want to add to this page, my grandfather had 2 sons Geoffrey and Tony. Geoffrey has been omitted from the information, and I would like his name included please. With Thanks. Woodville 19 (talk) 12:51, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Woodville. If you have a reliable published source for the other son, then it is possible that he could be included. Since, as a relative, you have a conflict of interest, you should make an edit request on the article's talk page Talk:Gilbert Jose. (see that link for details of how). But please note that while a reliable published source is essential for information to be included, it is not necessarily enough: there is an editorial decision to be made, by uninvolved editors, on whether or not it is appropriate. Tony Jose is mentioned because he also met Wikipedia's criteria for WP:notability, and there is an article about him, but if his brother did not meet those criteria, it is not obvious that he should be mentioned. ColinFine (talk) 19:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, having looked at Tony Jose, I'm not convinced that he meets the criteria for notability. He certainly doesn't meet the special criteria in WP:NSPORT, and the existingarticle has no independent sources at all. I have tagged the article accordingly.
 * ColinFine (talk) 20:55, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

ABOUT SPELLING MISTAKE
Banaras Hindu University

THERE IS A SPELLING MISTAKE IN ARTICLE A WORD `MENTAL` HAS BEEN USED INSTEAD OF ` METAL` CRAFT. GENEROUSLY REQUEST TO CORRECT IT FOR NOT FACING FURTHER INCONVENIENCE SOULPALETTEBYJAS (talk) 16:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I couldn't find such a mistake at Banaras Hindu University, but I did find and fix one at Bharat Kala Bhavan. If you spot any errors like this in the future, I encourage you to be bold and try fixing them yourself. Otherwise, you might try posting about the error at the article's associated talk page (like Talk:Bharat Kala Bhavan). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:26, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have just corrected it, YES it was regarding bharat kala bhavan thankyou SOULPALETTEBYJAS (talk) 16:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

two articles on the same topic
I just noticed while working on Wikidata that there are two articles on the same topic here in English Wikipedia. There is an article The House of Black (professional wrestling) and House of Black. Could someone here take care of the fact that the two articles are merged? --Gymnicus (talk) 20:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Given that the two articles consist of nothing of significance beyond misrepresenting performance art as 'sport', and fail to demonstrate that this 'House' has any significant independent notability, the number of articles should probably be reduced to zero. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:49, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Because I am not familiar with the relevance criteria, I am happy to leave this decision to you. I don't care if there is only one article or no article because the stable is relevant to Wikidata. It's just unfavorable if there are two articles on the same topic, that's difficult to handle in Wikidata. --Gymnicus (talk) 20:59, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The duplication has been sorted out now, by User:DuncanHill. I'll look into the notability issue further, when I get the chance. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:13, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I will no longer be donating
This is no longer a politically neutral website and so I will no longer be donating. Super sad too, wikipedia started out as such an awesome project for all humanity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironinthepath (talk • contribs) 23:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Whether you donate or not is your decision, though we editors have nothing to do with the donation process, and donations or lack thereof do not impact content. If you see content that violates policy on neutral point of view, we'd like to know what it is. But neutral point of view does not mean whitewashed or providing a false balance. 331dot (talk) 23:48, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * donations or lack thereof do not impact content If it did, that would be called bribery. --Hob Gadling (talk) 18:55, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also consider,, that in any calendar month around 100,000 different editors make edits on Wikipedia, all with their own motives and all without anyone routinely vetting most of their edits. In such circumstances, some edits are bound to be sub-optimal in their neutrality. These can only be corrected if someone (a) notices and (b) either corrects them or asks someone else to do so. Have you done either regarding material you deem politically non-neutral?
 * None of Wikipedia's entirely voluntary editorial contributors (including yourself) are specifically tasked with anything, and certainly not with regularly scanning all articles looking for non-neutrality – this would be impossible given the available resources. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.227.236 (talk) 17:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It should also probably be pointed out that 'political neutrality' isn't a thing. Or at least, it isn't a meaningful concept, unless you define the terms under which you measure it. 'Neutral' according to who? This is a global project, and what is seen as 'neutral' in say the U.S. (if anything is, these days?) may not be so elsewhere. Wikipedia doesn't aspire to abstract notions of 'neutrality' - it instead attempts to cover issues in terms of how the broad range of 'reliable sources' do. Sometimes, it fails at even that, and of course 'reliability' can be influenced by political perspectives. Wikipedia is written by people. Politics is part of what we are. We can't eliminate it from our mindset when editing Wikipedia, and shouldn't try. Anyone who thinks this is possible is of course free to set up an alternative elsewhere. Written by robots... AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ...written by robots programmed by whom? CiaPan (talk) 18:44, 25 September 2022 (UTC)