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Self-linking in articles
The article Sinkhole contains a link that redirects back to Sinkhole: Tiankeng. This seems confusing to me as a reader, so I am inclined to remove it. But I understand that if a Tiankeng article is written, it would be nice to link there for free. Is there any policy on self-links like this? MattWithTwoTees (talk) 06:15, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . I think what you're describing is covered in WP:SELFRED. One possible way around this would be to change the target of the redirected page Tiankengs to something other than "Sinkhole"; for example, a subsection in the article like Sinkhole. FWIW, there's also a redirect for Tiankeng that is also to the "Sinkhole" article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Please delete this page; I typed the wrong title with an extra slash by mistake. Thanks!
Template:Monopoly_money_sign/ Félix An (talk) 07:03, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Mjroots (talk) 09:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

How do I use CSS to flip text upside-down?
I'm trying to make a Monopoly money sign for the article on Monopoly money, which is the won sign (₩) flipped upside-down. The template is at Template:Monopoly money sign, but it's not working. Could you please help me fix it? Thanks! Félix An (talk) 07:05, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Félix An One way to get ₩ is to use Transform-rotate. See my source code for this specific example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That's perfect, thanks! I have updated the Monopoly money article accordingly. Félix An (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This sounds bad for WP:ACCESSIBILITY though. Screen reader users would (as far as I know) hear it as a won sign. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 17:43, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * How do I make it so that screen readers read it as "M"? Félix An (talk) 05:11, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Can screenshots of your own Minecraft builds be shared under CC licences?
If you went out of your way to use a freely-licensed resource pack and ensured that no natural MC terrain is visible (only your own build can be seen), could you release the screenshot under a CC licence, since you're essentially using MC as a 3D modelling program and you are not showing anything that is copyrighted by Mojang/Microsoft? Félix An (talk) 07:25, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I suspect that would be a better question at Wikimedia Commons, where such an item would have to be held.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll link WP:SCREENSHOT, but it seems quite possible you're here because you read that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:36, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The discussion board Media copyright questions may be better suited to answering this question. It is frequented by people who have more experience in answering tricky copyright questions.  -- Jayron 32 11:14, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I would say no since the game itself is copyrighted even if you built it in the void (technically the blocks themselves are copyrighted but that's only because they are within the game itself). However there may be something I'm missing here. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:38, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In this case, though, the video game would be considered an art medium, like LEGO blocks. Does this create a legal gray area, or is there precedence saying that video games like Minecraft can't be (of themselves) an art form?
 * Though, this question could be meant more for the Humanities Refdesk. Explodicator7331 (talk) 13:43, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There might be a legal gray area here (I don't know, I'm not a lawyer or anyone associated with the law), I think with LEGO blocks that might be a bit more difficult since those have copyright symbols on the blocks themselves (or maybe they don't, I haven't played with LEGOs in a while). With Minecraft I think it might just come down to the threshold of originality and whether or not the textures on the blocks are unique enough to be copyrightable (using the default texture pack in game, I'm not sure if there even are any freely-licensed texture packs out there, and yes I call them texture packs because that's what they were before being renamed). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:48, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean, pixel art in Minecraft has been around since the inception of the game (see: "mariominecraft awesome"), so it could be considered an art form. I mean, look at the castles, cities, custom adventure maps, and even redstone ALUs made in the game.
 * (Do you remember roses and riding on pigs before The Horse Update?) Explodicator7331 (talk) 14:39, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That is a fair point. I've seen videos in which people have even managed to create full blown computers in the game (albeit they are incredibly slow due to the speed at which the game operates).
 * No I do not because I haven't been playing Minecraft for that long. I've played since... at least 1.12. But this is starting to get off-topic. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:41, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * So, doing some more idle digging, the best I could find was Machinima which notes that Microsoft's policy on the use of it properties in this way; it states that "(Microsoft's) rules allow noncommercial use and distribution of works derived from Microsoft-owned game content," "noncommercial use" is a bright-line no-go condition for compliance with Wikipedia's policy on reuse of material.  Wikipedia's policy is that noncommercial use cannot be stipulated for us to accept it.  WP:IUP states " Wikipedia can accept images under CC-BY-SA (Attribution-Share Alike) as a free license, but not CC-BY-SA-NC (Attribution-Share Alike-Non-Commercial)." A "for noncommercial use" statement invalidates the use of a work at Wikipedia, unless under the WP:NFCC criteria, and this kind of use does not meet those standards either, IMHO.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 18:11, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * But what if you used your own resource packs and did not show any natural MC terrain, so that no Microsoft-owned content is visible in the image? Félix An (talk) 05:11, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The graphics engine that renders those resource packs is still owned by Microsoft. Again, I reiterate extra hard this time, that WP:MCQ is better designed to ask these questions and provide more definitive answers.  You should probably ask there, especially if you don't like the answers you have been given here.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 13:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I asked WP:MCQ already, but not a lot of people saw my question. I don't think they can claim copyright on your image just because of the graphics engine. For example, if I made a 3D image using Autodesk Maya, I would still own the copyright on the image, despite using their graphics engine. Or, I could make a song using the piano sound in Logic Pro or even my own electric piano/synthesizer, but I would still own the copyright of the song, since the "ding" sound a piano key makes is in the public domain (otherwise, synthesizer companies would claim all the world's piano music!). Félix An (talk) 07:24, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Please delete this page; I messed up the CSS and I don't need it anymore, as I already found the solution in the previous question. Thanks!
Template:Monopoly money sign/styles.css Félix An (talk) 12:06, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Just put WP:CSD on there. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 13:50, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ DanCherek (talk) 13:57, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

You've just deleted my article about a musician. Why
Corr Electric Larneybarney2 (talk) 13:23, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * If it was the content that was on your user page, then it was because it broke Wikipedia policy, specifically the WP:NOTWEBHOST one. - X201 (talk) 13:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Isn't it also the definition of WP:GARAGE? When I searched the name of the band on my browser, all I got were electric cooperatives. Explodicator7331 (talk) 13:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

IAB
Could someone run WP:IAB on the article Sivakasi? I found a dead link there and would like to check to see if the bot might find any more, however when I run it myself it appears to simply time out after a few minutes. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 13:44, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * BW, the history seems to show that it did run for you? Valereee (talk) 16:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Ya it apparently decided to run anyway after I had closed the tab. Internet strangeness. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 16:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Help
How to Write About any new Amirkhan274 (talk) 18:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Provide surface To any user to Edit Amirkhan274 (talk) 18:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Your poor use of the English language indicates you may not be comfortable communicating in English, and that you likely speak another language as your first language. I might suggest that the best way to contribute is to find the Wikipedia in your own native language and contribute there.  You can find a list at List of Wikipedias, or if you can't find it, just let us know your native language, and we can direct you to the correct place.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 18:15, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Amirkhan274: Hi there! Help:Your first article and Help:Introduction might be helpful for you.  GoingBatty (talk) 19:28, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Disruptive edits?
Not sure what's going on here. I stumbled across this editor when I saw their recent edits at Joyce Brothers and questioned their reasoning for doing so. Then I clicked on their edit history. It would seem that, considering these all happened today, they were either experimenting or practicing on main pages. The edits however in most cases are either unnecessary, borderline disruptive, and / or leave the articles filled with errors. Not sure what to do. Maineartists (talk) 22:17, 12 April 2023 (UTC)