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Manama
On the "Manama" page, the positions in the first caption aren't in clockwise from top order. JackkBrown (talk) 00:28, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Given that you were the last person to edit the caption, what is stopping you from fixing it? AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I just corrected the caption. JackkBrown (talk) 00:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Emmanuel College, Warrnambool
In the "External links" section at the bottom of the article, this site - Emmanuel Alumni Website - is a "dead" link. Please remove it - thanks 144.130.154.129 (talk) 07:27, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. It had been tagged as a permanent dead link for about four years. Cullen328 (talk) 07:35, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Two accounts with same Email and logged out of both.
I have two Wikimedia account usernames ("Dr. Chinchu C." and "Chinchu c") both linked to the same Email Id. One was created to login to the English version of Wikipedia and the other for the Malayalam one during the early days, I believe. Recently I was logged out of both and was unable to login to either one. I requested for temporary password and received two of them. However I am not able to login using either of these passwords.

How can I merge the two (if possible) and recover my account? 116.68.99.218 (talk) 09:21, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't believe it is possible to merge accounts. If you have used the password reset system, the one it sends you should work.  If you are unable to log in to your accounts, you will need to create a new account and identify it as a successor account on its user page("I am User5678, I was previously User1234 but lost access"). 331dot (talk) 09:24, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Temporary passwords should work. Try again. Make sure to use them for the right account. Be careful with capitalization in both username and password. Log in here at https://en.wikipedia.org. Some websites look like Wikimedia sites but aren't. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:58, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies.
 * I was able to login to the Wikimedia Commons account (at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) using one of the two temporary passwords that I received. However the Wikipedia account is still not accessible with the same Username and password combination.
 * Is it necessary to have separate accounts in Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia? 116.68.99.218 (talk) 16:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi All,
 * I was able to use the unified login feature and can now access the Wikipedia account using the Wikimedia Commons account credentials.
 * Thanks. Dr. Chinchu C. (talk) 16:44, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Source Verification
Hello! I am trying to help get up a Wikipedia page for J. McLaughlin. After several rounds of review, we kept getting rejected due to invalid resources. Before going through the process again, I wanted to confirm if these would be considered valid sources
 * https://www.myneworleans.com/shop-talk-kevin-mclaughlin/
 * https://fredericmagazine.com/2021/05/j-mclaughlin-house-tour-new-york/
 * https://www.bhg.com/decorating/decorating-style/traditional/stylish-new-york-rowhouse/
 * https://www.evergladesfoundation.org/post/everglades-capsule-collection-by-j-mclaughlin
 * https://wwd.com/feature/j-mclaughlin-renovates-its-flagship-1203406811/
 * https://wwd.com/business-news/retail/gallery/j-mclaughlin-keeps-the-small-town-character-amid-national-growth-1202580127/
 * https://wwd.com/business-news/business-features/j-mclaughin-execs-talk-strategy-and-growth-11127541/
 * https://wwd.com/feature/j-mclaughlin-in-praise-of-preppy-730384-1904723/
 * https://wwd.com/feature/j-mclaughlin-1202993044/
 * https://wwd.com/business-news/retail/j-mclaughlins-evolving-retail-program-1203121822/
 * https://wwd.com/eye/parties/gallery/j-mclaughlin-packs-crowd-to-support-save-the-children-1202646138/
 * https://issuu.com/questmag/docs/qt0917_issuu/125 (article on 40 years after NYC Upper east side shoot)
 * https://serendipitysocial.com/j-mclaughlins-new-greenwich-store/

Any insight or guidance is greatly appreciated. Thank you! 2600:4040:9CE3:CC00:90A3:64D0:9B3A:BF2E (talk) 14:59, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * These sources don't look blue chip; see WP:RS. It's also worrying to refer to "my client", because this demonstrates a conflict of interest.

Try this tool instead:

-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:06, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * There is a critical distinction between a generic reliable resource and a reliable source that supports notability. I would guess that some of the sources you list are reliable, but most are not because they are based only on PR from the subject. Much more critically, It does not look like any of these sources support a claim of notability. Please re-read WP:NCORP and pay careful attention to the table that gives examples. -Arch dude (talk) 17:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * You are a paid editor: see WP:PAID. That's OK as long as you make the required declaration. It is much easier for us unpaid help desk volunteers to help you if you create a login and use it so we can more easily interact with you and so you can make your paid declaration on your user page instead of eaqch time you make an edit or ask a question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch dude (talk • contribs) 17:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Quote Box template coding error
A while ago, using the Quote box template, I successfully put the following sentence and  quote box of an important letter in  of the article Kirksey v. Kirksey: After learning of his brother and nephew's deaths, the defendant wrote the following letter to his sister-in-law Antillico:

However, the block quote is now appearing in, even though the wikitext shows the block quote in the Background section. The wikitext for does not even contain the block quote. I cannot figure out how to fix this error. The wikitext seems to be in proper order, leaving me flummoxed. Joesom333 (talk) 16:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Joesom333, if you look at Quote box, you'll see it recommends using other formats in articles (such as Blockquote, which I've changed the article to use). The first template seems to more or less turn the quote into an image, so it ends up displaced by other image-adjacent elements in the article, like the infobox. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:26, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Joesom333 (talk) 17:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Drawing a consensus and/or conclusion to a talk page issue/dispute
There has been a lengthy discussion at Talk:Free Democratic Party (Germany) with an Rfc that has been removed by Legobot after it expired. However, there doesn't seem to be a general consensus or agreement on how to proceed with the issue this is over. Where do we go from here? Is there some sort of outside process or mediation that can help draw a consensus or conclusion to the issue? Or is there another way forward? Helper201 (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Just asking for another opinion: Casper the Friendly Ghost
Is there a meaningful difference between Casper the Friendly Ghost in film and Casper the Friendly Ghost filmography? I ask as a genuine question, not a rhetorical one. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:01, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The filmography one is a list. It doesn't use prose, it just lists every example of Casper in film (even minor ones) and gives some context. "In film" is (or at least it should be) an encyclopedic breakdown of how Casper has been portrayed in film and how critics have analyzed it. Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 18:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Anyone else reading and upon closer look, the filmography page is about the 1945 to 1959 theatrical shorts by Paramount. The in film page mentions them but focuses on the feature-length films from 1995 onward (to 2006, specifically). My new question is: does this split make sense? If so, I can try renaming the pages to more clearly reflect scope. If not, then I should just merge the pages. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:53, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's definitely not ideal. I considered mentioning a merge in my reply, but I'm even more inclined to say merge them if this is the case. Alternatively, the article/list dynamic could be kept by expanding both to include all of Casper's history. Either would work, though I don't know if one would be better than the other. Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 20:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Referencing the same book multiple times
Although my article will reference several different books and websites, I will be referencing one particular book a lot more than the others. Question: Do I have to fill in the RefTool "cite" box / template every time (with the book's author, title, year, publisher, ISBN #, etc) for each reference to that book, or can I get that info to fill in "by itself" so that all I have to is add the page number? (In my draft article, I've already created a correctly-formatted citation / reference to it.) Thanks. Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 18:03, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * WP:SRF has some options how to achieve this. I like the sfn template. —Kusma (talk) 18:13, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Take a look at WP:NAMEDREFS, which describes another option. Cullen328 (talk) 18:16, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 20:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Display of age in info boxes
Info boxes in articles about persons can display the current age of a person when the respective "birth date and age" syntax is entered. While in most cases the age is displayed correctly, in some articles there seems to be some sort of delay. I noticed this in Jamil Siebert, born April 2, 2002 but as of today still shown as 20 yers old. Is there any way to fix this or does one just have to wait until this is updated by the system? Proofreader (talk) 18:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, now it says 21 years, but I swear it was 20 years just a few moments ago. If anyone fixed it that quickly: Thank you. --Proofreader (talk) 18:36, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It's displaying correctly for me now. It could be that it needed to be purged. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 18:36, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's an issue with the cache. It just requires someone to purge the cache by adding "?action=purge" at the end of the URL. I've done this, and it now displays as 21. Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 18:36, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Translating EN to Chinese: error 95% unedited? Cannot publish?
Hi Translation helpers,

I am translating my En article on Lee Youn Chin to Chinese. Most of the translation has been correctly translated by Wiki language auto tool. I only had to correct and edit the names of people and institutional centers.

Wiki translation and Google translation tool has been very accurate in translating the content as is in the article. I tried submitting the draft to release it, but received the warning msg that more than 95% not edited or something like that. I have confirmed and verified the correct Chinese names and edited it. I was bound to write and add a few more lines in the paragraphs to bring the 95% down to an acceptable mark. I didn't know I had to add or re-write what was already translated as very good!

Please advise me that I have to add/edit or elaborate more info to the Chinese article to make it less machine translated? That would then be accepted by the Translation Editor to quality to publish?

Earlier in my English article, a lot were cut down to a short concise content by a helper editor. Now I find, I have to add back and elaborate longer to make the Chinese translation not identical to the English or human edited acceptable level?

I await your expertise and help.

Thank you! Setwikirec0 (talk) 18:52, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Setwikirec0, are you trying to publish on English Wikipedia or Chinese Wikipedia? Are you using the WP:Content translation tool (which is restricted to extended confirmed users, which you are not yet)? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your reply. Setwikirec0 (talk) 23:57, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If I read you correctly, you are translating an article from Engish to Chinese. If so, then all questions about your submission to Chinese Wikipedia must be asked there. It is unlikely that anybody here can help you: even if an editor here speaks Chinese, they would also need to be familiar with the policies and procedures of Chinese Wikipedia, which may be very different from English Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 11:53, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you ColinFine for pointing out the above. Setwikirec0 (talk) 23:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Mish-mashed reference formats
I now have two types of reference formats in my draft article (Tennent H. "Pete" Bagley). How do I delete the bottom two, or change them so they're like the top one? Also, in my final product will my references be listed alphabetically automatically, or will I have to do that manually? Thanks. Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 21:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Was Kisevalter Nash?: Hi there! When I look at Draft:Tennent H. "Pete" Bagley, I only see one reference.  Before submitting the draft for review, please be sure to add multiple independent reliable published sources and footnotes.  WP:NBIO and WP:EASYREFBEGIN should be helpful for you.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:15, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I've had a quick look at both the current and previous version and saw that you've deleted the two inline citations. The principle you need to consider is that a reader must be able to verify statements you are making.  Wiki's way of doing that is in-line references.  These references can either be full in-line citations such as or else you can separate the reference and citation elements.  In-line citations are listed in the order in which they are encountered, which may change as an article is edited.  To avoid this you can use named references  and list the substantive citations in order below.  There is still a problem though, if you are referencing multiple pages you can end up with the citation repeated just for the page reference, which is silly.  I have seen instances where the same citation was repeated 20 times just for differing pages.  This can be avoided in two ways: rp and sfn.  In the former the citation is given once, then named references are used followed by a rp template to give the page number:  .  The latter method sets up the citations in a bulleted list and used the sfn template to link to them (using surname and date) and gives the page number; see Frindsbury for an example. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:33, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks for replying. I have five book-reference sources listed now. I expect I'll have to manually (or by using a drop-down "cite template"?) place thingies like [1], [8], [15], etc, in the pertinent parts of the text that will link to Short Foot Notes near the bottom of the page, and that each Short Foot Note (with a particular page number for the cite) will, in turn, refer to one of the five (so far) longish-form "references".
 * Am I kinda on the right track? Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 23:09, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

. . . . . ..
 * Please take another quick look at it and tell me what I should do next if, for example, I want there to be a [1] or a [4] (or something like that) embedded in the text immediately after the phrase "aircraft carrier" in the "Early and Personal Life" section, and when that [1] or [4] (or whatever) is clicked on, the reader will see the citation "Bagley 2007, p. 30", and when they click on that it will take them to that book in the "Bibliography" section -- in this case: Tennent H. Bagley, 2007, "Spy Wars: Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games", Yale University Press.
 * At some point I obviously type "Bagley 2007" or "Bagley 2007, p. 30". Do I do that now in the Citations section? Do I use a template?
 * Thanks. Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 04:19, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing from the timing of your last post that you may be on the west coast of the USA or Canada, I'm in the UK and have just woken up after sleeping through your last posts. Shortly I'll have a look and see if I can shake it into order for you.  You'll then be able to follow the example and continue.  If you don't like the way I set it up, just revert my edits. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 07:34, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Right, two things: (1) an excellent bibliography, beautifully laid out for ease of editing. Well done.  (2) I looked back over the history and found the link to Bagley (2007) pp 30-31 and have inserted a sfn link for you.  I've added a refend to match the refbegin.  I've move the reflist to under "References" and got rid of the "Citations" heading.  I suggest that any further discussion on this specific draft article is moved to Draft talk:Tennent H. "Pete" Bagley rather than continuing here, to save boring non-involved editors! ;-) Grr, I split some beer on my keyboard last night, and now have "sticky keys", apologies for any odd typing. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Watchlist
Starting today my watch list is acting screwy. Normally it has dots next to edits I haven't looked at.....but that is there regardless if I have looked at the edit or not.....and also normally a option is there saying something like "Mark all changes as seen". But that isn't there anymore. Anyone know what is going on? Thanks.Rja13ww33 (talk) 23:11, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Ignore my post above. I think my question has been answered in another forum.Rja13ww33 (talk) 01:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)