Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2023 August 14

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Table column sorting
I'm trying to fix a sorting problem in AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies. Some movies have been added to and deleted from the second edition of the list, so in one or the other rank column, there is a blank for these entries. However, when you sort the later list ranking, that puts them at the top of the list, before #1. NR doesn't work. What's the standard solution? Clarityfiend (talk) 02:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The sort template. I take it you want them at the bottom when sorted ascending, so they go 1, 2, 3, ..., 100, not-rated, not-rated, not-rated, etc.?  Then use , which sorts a given cell as 101 and displays blank. —Cryptic 03:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:13, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Weekipedea Page not showning on google search
Iam writing from UAE asking about my Artists weekipedea page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naira_Ali this page in the link below is not showing on google search which makes it hard for the artist to be seen or add the visibiulity of her article, so to cut it short am asking weekipidea to help add her profile ob Google search. thank you so much 217.165.37.118 (talk) 10:55, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * IP editor. The article has been reviewed by WP:NPP, on August 5, so now it is up to the search engines to act. Wikipedia has no influence over Google. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:19, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Admin Rights to A Business Page
As the brand manager for a corporation, I am needing admin right to move a page after a recent rebrand and company name chnage...how do I do this? Taylorray1399 (talk) 13:53, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Simply put, you don't. There's a few things here - because you work for an organisation, you should not directly edit an article about that subject. You should instead, create a WP:edit request on the talk page. This is because you have a conflict of interest with the organisation.
 * You also do not own the article we have on this business. There is also plenty of reasons why we wouldn't change a name when it changes. I would post on the talk page of the article in question and ask someone to start a requested move discussion.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You also need to read WP:PAID. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Preview bug?
Hi, is there a list somewhere of reported Wikipedia bugs? Phabricator maybe? I am having issues with the edit preview not matching the edit window or updating properly. Sometimes the text posts in a truncated or scrambled form. I am aware that this isn't enough information to tech the issue really, but am thinking that if something has already been documented and hopefully solved, I won't have to tech it myself. Not sure how such a list would be organized, and I have never looked at Phabricator, but this happens on two different Android phones, so it isn't a device issue probably. Low storage could possibly be an issue. I would appreciate any thoughts. Elinruby (talk) 16:22, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Other possibly relevant data: does not seem specific to a particular skin, does not happen on other web platforms (Facebook, Twitter Google Maps, etc. All of which I also use on the web not an app), happens in both Talk and Article space. No screenshots at the moment but this could happen, as I need to solve this. So far have cleared cache, turned off gadgets and beta features, rebooted, but no joy. Working on clearing storage Elinruby (talk) 16:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Elinruby do you remember the page title of one page where the issue occured by any chance? Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 17:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * If you look at Talk:Black market in wartime France there are some examples as well as some discussion of subsidiary problems such as edit conflicts. One concise example is #Text size, which discusses a display problem neither of the other two editors working the page at the time seem to have. Seemed unimportant at the time. Then a huge carnage took place in References, which I think must be related but which to the outside observer would be complicated by people overwriting each other while trying to fix it. It certainly increased the priority of fixing this however.


 * A better second example that I just noticed would be in #Back to normal, where I talk about this ticket and making hardware changes. There is a second unintended signed post below the one I made. This happened on a different Android phone than the one I was using on the day of the #text size post.


 * These extra posts happen frequently and are usually just a signature, but sometimes include text from the post above them. They do not appear in preview, presumably because somehow the interface thinks they are separate posts. I remove them but that's annoying and probably makes the hamsters work harder, while if I miss them they confuse other editors trying to deduce their meaning.


 * I am having some problems with implementing the hardware change discussed in #Back to normal but these involve saved passwords and not wanting to edit logged out; I don't need help with them, just more time than I have today. I came back in here on one of the Androids to check on this ticket but am currently hesitant to click around in anything complicated. Elinruby (talk) 15:47, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Actually I suspect the above have the same root cause, possibly   some memory management issue, but what they don't include is an example of the most annoying manifestation of all, the edit window and the preview getting out of synch (except the reference section issue maybe, but there are too many confounding factors there and I can't troubleshoot this theory there). I will try to get back to you with an example of out-of-synchness, tomorrow probably Elinruby (talk) 16:18, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I updated the talk page about this ticket and as a result now have screen shots of a mismatch between the edit window and the preview, but I don't want to inundate this ticket until somebody responds back. I found Phabricator and have briefly looked at it but more searching is required there. Really, what I was hoping was that this would sound familiar to someone who could point me to a fix. Elinruby (talk) 19:17, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Elinruby: The only thing I noticed is that you seem to be using the mobile web interface, which has less functionality and is often bugged, compared to desktop. I personally always use the desktop interface, using the timeless skin with responsive mode enabled. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 19:48, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * yeah I am going there but I was hoping it would only be as a temporary measure. I agree that the mobile interface has bugs and I am specifically trying to report one. I do not own a desktop. I am resurrecting a laptop I stopped using when I was working on corruption topics because it is so identifiable. This is not a satisfactory solution either. The Windows laptop needs a soldering iron. Either laptop will be difficult to use for medical reasons. So Phabricator it is I guess? Elinruby (talk) 20:11, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I've realized that you were probably suggesting Desktop mode, which possibly might work, at least as a temporary measure. cautiously experimenting with it. Navigation is harder but so far no weird glitches, so thanks Elinruby (talk) 00:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Deleting a page
I first proposed Acespaces for deletion as WP:BLPPROD but the page creator removed it with references to their social media accounts. I figured it qualified for WP:A7 so I nominated it as such but I feel like I messed it up somehow (this is the first time I've nominated an article for deletion). I would appreciate any advice. Thanks, 綾かなあ?  ( talk ) 16:32, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Your nomination good to me, though I'm not an admin. DonIago (talk) 16:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. I was concerned that because I nominated it for speedy deletion after I proposed deletion, my nominations could be problematic. 綾かなあ?  ( talk ) 16:44, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ahhh. I don't think it's out of process to do a CSD after a failed proposed deletion, though it might be unusual. DonIago (talk) 17:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I am an admin, albeit one who recused from taking admin actions in this specific area, and see nothing out of process here. If anything, the BLPPROD should actually be restored since it was removed without adding the required reliable source. I also think it qualifies for A7, for what it's worth. * Pppery * it has begun...  17:09, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

New format
Help!! In the new format, I cannot find a place to simply type in the topic that I wish to look up on Wikipedia. Where in the world is it? 2601:243:285:140:11F2:2B8:E674:EA06 (talk) 19:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The search bar was moved from the right to the left of the screen on the top. If you create an account, you can set the account preferences to the old layout. For more information, see WP:VECTOR2022. 331dot (talk) 19:18, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You may have to click a magnifying glass icon to see the search bar. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Musical Artist Infobox - Years Active (Disband/Reform Same Year)
Hello, hopefully I am in the right place to ask this question. Apologies if not. I was recently editing an artist's page (Terrorizer to be exact) since they disbanded earlier this year and had just recently reformed. In the infobox of the artist under 'Years Active', I had it as ...2009–2023, 2023–present, but another editor keeps reverting it to 2009–present because they believe "the hiatus didn't carry onto another year, meaning that it is just 2009 present and nothing else". I don't believe that matters since they were confirmed to be inactive during several months in 2023. I tried looking in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers to see if there was any rules or correct format for something like this, but could not find it. The only thing I could reference is the artist Limp Bizkit and their member DJ Lethal, who left and returned to the band several times in 2012. Although it's not in the infobox of the band and is in the Band members section, it is shown in the format I used. Does anyone know the correct way to feature this? TheSickBehemoth (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, leave it as 2009-present but add a footnote (see ). -Arch dude (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Use the citation template to produce CS1 citations
How do I make citation produce a citation that is separated with full stops? Aaron Liu (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * cs1
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 21:53, 14 August 2023 (UTC)