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Charles Wigram Long
Ref number 6 is in red - please fix if able. thanks 2405:6E00:2EF2:BC00:759C:8E0B:D81D:6D1C (talk) 02:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅, added the missing year in accessdate. Cmr08 (talk) 03:04, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Number 9 is all wrong - sorry - please leave in quote Thank you as always. 175.38.42.62 (talk) 03:16, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅, I never touched a quote, just added the missing year in accessdate. Cmr08 (talk) 03:18, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Could the newly added file of house in snow be made a little bigger please? Thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 04:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. But have you considered that instead we could crop the picture, so as to portray the house larger and with less snow? Maproom (talk) 06:50, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

The new snow file added today is all wrong - I cannot get  a caption underneath it. It should read: Long lived at Severn Bank, Severn Stoke, Worcester.

Thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 07:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You are flooding this page with requests for help for every change you wish to make. I might suggest that you use the article talk page to make edit requests instead of coming here. 331dot (talk) 07:57, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Or, at least please keep your requests under a single header. 331dot (talk) 07:58, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * For a page ostensibly about one Charles Wigram Long, a remarkable percentage is devoted to this or that Lupton. Please see and feel free to comment on Talk:Charles Wigram Long. -- Hoary (talk) 08:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * There's more Lupton (and Middleton) -cruft added just today to yet another article. Very strange. -- Hoary (talk) 10:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I have rearranged these questions. As 331dot has just said above (and as I have said earlier) please do not recycle headers. -- Hoary (talk) 08:45, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Correcting birthdate
My name is Christopher Britton actor. The birthdate on my Wiki page is incorrect. I would like to correct that mistake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Britton_(actor) I would also like to upload a recent photo. Dennis Vine (talk) 02:30, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The birthdate was added in this edit on July 28, 2023. I have reverted the edit as it was unsourced. Cmr08 (talk) 03:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * To add a new image, first acquire an image to which you own the copyright. The copyright of an image belongs to the photographer until the photographer explicitly conveys it in writing, so the best way to do this is to take a selfie. After you have the image on your computer, proceed to File upload wizard. -Arch dude (talk) 04:22, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * you may add your birthdate to the article, but only if you can cite a reliable published source. -Arch dude (talk) 04:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dennis Vine: Hi there! Christopher Britton (actor) is not your Wiki page, but a Wikipedia article about you, and editing it could be considered a conflict of interest.  Instead of editing it, you may post your requests on the article's talk page Talk:Christopher Britton (actor) or use the Edit Request Wizard.  Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Middleton family
Reference number 133 has red ink in it and I cannot work out what in fact I have failed to do. please alter so that the red ink goes and please leave in quote. With thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 05:42, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Please note - reference 133 is still all wrong (in red) please fix and leave in quote. thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 07:41, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. You had given the access date as August 19 2033. You meant 2023. Maproom (talk) 07:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Connected templates
In the article stub about Cytherellidae the template says it belongs to the order Platycopida, which is correct. And the template in the article stub about Punciidae says that too belongs to the order Platycopida, which is wrong. It belongs to the order Palaeocopida. But when I change the info in the template to correct it, the template describing Cytherellidae changes too, from Platycopida to Palaeocopida. And vice versa. The two templates are connected, so when you edit it in one of the mentioned articles, the same thing happens in the other. Is there a way to separate the templates? Hipporoo (talk) 07:56, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The taxoboxes used in the two articles are automatically populated from Wikidata. I suspect that this means that there is an error in the wikidata items, though I confess I can't see what. d:Q11847357, the Wikidata entry for Punciidae, says its parent taxon is Punciodiea, not Platycopida, so I don't know where the wrong information is coming from.
 * I suggest asking at Template talk:taxobox. ColinFine (talk) 09:52, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:HD 85628 Ab
The reference 1 in Draft:HD 85628 Ab is partly red. How do I solve this? (talk) 07:56, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It's because you had a space in your URL. Now fixed.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

What is the link of Wiki translation AI in English version?
Hi, I saw there is an image showing a mobile screen with a bot translating from one to another. It is listed in the paragraph "Automatic editing" by an Arabic author, maybe. 113.185.106.84 (talk) 09:20, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:CXT is probably what you are referring to - although it's not an AI, and we don't allow automated translation on the English Wikipedia.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:22, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Filesize calculation template
Does anyone know if a template for converting data filesize formats exist?
 * I.E.: a template like that could convert a filesize like 2000 bytes into 2.000 kilobytes; so on and so forth.

macbrew 09:23, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Macbrew I think that Val can handle bytes. See Module:Val/units. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:22, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess I could technically convert a filesize string into an exponentiation representation using.
 * Syntax: $2,000$
 * Output: $2,000$ (This would equate to 2 megabytes or 2,000,000 bytes)
 * This isn't exactly what I'm looking for however. macbrew 12:06, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * File sizes are a mess, because they are sometimes in actual decimal powers and sometimes in "binary" powers (see Byte. Is this what you are referring to? My opinion: stick with decimal unless you are certain the source means binary powers. -Arch dude (talk) 15:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Macbrew I think that ping was meant for you... Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I suppose this means that there isn't a template created specifically to convert file size formats then? macbrew 01:23, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * About a year ago, bits and bytes were added to the Convert template, but after this discussion a few months ago they were removed because of several possibilities for confusion. Perhaps @Johnuniq can comment further. CodeTalker (talk) 01:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As shown in the discussion linked by CodeTalker above, it was felt that a conversion for bits/bytes would not be satisfactory due to the confusion over kilo being 1000 or 1024 and the lack of a need. In some historical contexts probably covered in articles, a byte was not 8 bits. If there were a need for a file size conversion, I would recommend asking for a dedicated template perhaps at Requested templates. Johnuniq (talk) 04:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

What is this link? And how to access it directly?
In the Wikipedia article, I saw an image with a bot and the Arabic language was being translated. The image is in the paragraph naming "Automatic editing" included in the category "Operation". I truly want to upload a new, stable version of it (make the content in English). And here is the link to access: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki_translation_Screenshot_%DB%B2%DB%B0%DB%B2%DB%B3%DB%B0%DB%B6%DB%B1%DB%B5-%DB%B2%DB%B0%DB%B5%DB%B9%DB%B2%DB%B3_Brave.jpg. Thank you so much if anyone going to support me! User:GreatPersonLikeMe 10:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @GreatPersonLikeMe That image is in an article about Wikipedia at Wikipedia. The file itself is stored on Commons at the this link: File:Wiki translation Screenshot_%DB%B2%DB%B0%DB%B2%DB%B3%DB%B0%DB%B6%DB%B1%DB%B5-%DB%B2%DB%B0%DB%B5%DB%B9%DB%B2%DB%B3_Brave.jpg. I'm not sure why you would want to upload a new version but that is best done on Commons, perhaps after consulting with the editor who uploaded the original. Please read c:Commons:Overwriting existing files for the guidance on overwriting files. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Michael D. TurnbullNo. Just want to know how to access the Wikipedia's bot of translation. Keep determined to attach with https:// encryption first. Thanks User:GreatPersonLikeMe 11:18, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Remember to attach the link directing to the English version only. Your sincerely, User:GreatPersonLikeMe 11:21, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The tool is explained at WP:CXT. The English Wikipedia does not allow its use to create article drafts here, although some other-language versions do allow it to be used to translate from English. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:28, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

forget my user name
i forgot my username. what can i do 2A02:CE0:1000:E560:99C6:8B61:73FE:1157 (talk) 13:34, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * the best thing to do is to create a new account. ltbdl (talk) 13:54, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You can look at the edit histories of articles that you remember editing, focusing on the approximate timeframes when you were editing. See if you can recognize your username. -Arch dude (talk) 15:07, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Where to move an article?
As an IP I can't do the move myself but I'm not sure where it would go in the first place. A couple of days ago I discovered an ELEVEN YEAR old article with the ABSURD title Violet Cripps, Baroness Parmoor (a title the subject never was known by or entitled to)...I don't know if it might be a "copyright trap" or something.

To recap:
 * The lady in question (1891-1983) was born Violet Nelson.
 * in her first marriage she was Mrs. Rowley.
 * in her second (her basic claim to notability...the wife of an extraordinarily rich/famous/prominent man) she was The Duchess of Westminster as second wife of the 2nd Duke of Westminster ("Bend Or") from 1920 to 1926.(This was the only time in her life she was "a peeress" as identified in the lede).
 * Divorce made her Violet, Duchess of Westminster....retaining the surname Grosvenor.
 * In 1927 she remarried The Hon. Frederick Heyworth Cripps DSO and thus became The Hon. Mrs. Frederick Cripps.
 * In 1951 she divorced and never married again though I have dim memories of a Debrett's Peerage from her last years including her on a list of former wives of former Dukes as her former style of "Violet, Duchess of Westminster" despite there being a later Duchess named Viola.
 * In March 1977 the man she had divorced over a quarter-century before succeeded his 94-year-old brother as 3rd Baron Parmoor and he then died that October and was succeeded by their son Milo.
 * Neither of these successions should have changed the ex-wife's title...Marjorie Pratt, Countess of Brecknock (1900-1989) divorced the then courtesy Earl of Brecknock in 1941 and remained Marjorie Countess of Brecknock for the rest of her life(that is how she was in Who's Who, that is how she is remembered) without her ex-husband's becoming Marquess Camden in 1943 or their son's succeeding him in 1983 making her Marchioness Camden.

So...the article title is wrong. But should it simply lose "Baroness Parmoor" (with the repetitions of "Lady Parmoor" in the text dropped as well) and be "Violet Cripps", or change to the more prominent past title where you get Google hits on her, or what? 108.29.145.226 (talk) 15:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * IP editor. If you can back up your bullet points with citations to reliable published sources, please go ahead and edit the article: currently it is in a very poor state. Its title can be changed later, once it is properly sourced. Note that Wikipedia considers Who's Who an unreliable source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:58, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and removed errors and added citations to Burke's Peerage...and voted for deletion.108.29.145.226 (talk) 18:32, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Normally, I would check the sources cited in the article to see how they refer to her. But there aren't any. Maproom (talk) 17:00, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Note that we generally abide by Common names whereby an article is titled with the name the subject is now most widely known by/referred to, even if it's not accurate. For example, most people refer to Ada Lovelace and so we title her article thus, even though that was never her actual name. The same might be the case here. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 18:09, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The alleged absurdity of its title aside, this article provides no evidence for the notability of its subject. Perhaps, its creator, would care to add such evidence. (Without it, the article seems ripe for Articles for deletion.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I do not know what I was thinking. This ought to be nuked. Surtsicna (talk) 21:45, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

You are all cordially invited to Articles for deletion/Violet Cripps, Baroness Parmoor. Pinging Hoary. Surtsicna (talk) 11:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

CAPTCHA kept on repeating when already submitting
Upon answering a captcha, it'll reload another one and giving me an error after a while. Im trying to add a citation on my wikipedia draft MarcatoPH (talk) 15:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Make sure that when you type your CAPTCHA answer, you then scroll down and click 'Publish changes'. Do not click the circling arrow (aka 'refresh') button next to the answer box; this is meant to give you a new CAPTCHA challenge if you find the current one too difficult: it's an easy mistake, which I have made in the past. If that's not your issue, please reply with more details of exactly what is happening. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 18:00, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia going down hill with biased garbage writing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista_National_Liberation_Front

"the FSLN lost the 1990 election to Violeta Barrios de Chamorro in an election marked by US interference"

Reign in your radical left Anti-American idiot writers! That is an utter baloney and inflammatory narrative implying some kind of dark corrupt action which their own source does not come close to supporting. 72.204.78.102 (talk) 15:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * IP editor. Please take your suggestions for alterations to the article (based on reliable sources) to the Talk Page at Talk:Sandinista National Liberation Front. The article has over 200 page watchers and is regularly edited, so those interested in the topic should respond there. Also, please assume good faith: mistakes can get into articles but we are striving to correct them based on published sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:50, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That’s our commitment.
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That’s our commitment. 78.182.33.236 (talk) 15:48, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes. Do you have a question? -- Hoary (talk) 22:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Typing a password
Please enable us to see what user name we are typing and what password we are typing, in case we inadvertently make a mistake. I got a new computer and had to pay an expert quite a lot of money on the next day, to clear my password information back to Factory Settings, 100 per cent because I could not check what I had typed in. Vikingicemaiden (talk) 18:02, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Vikingicemaiden On websites where there is no facility to view your password, the easiest thing to do if you are in doubt is to use a simple text editor to create the correct password in visible text and then copy/paste it into the password box. Only a few websites (not including Wikipedia) won't allow the copy/paste. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:52, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that the people who inhabit this page are generally editors, and few of them have much knowledge of or influence over the underlying software. WP:VPT is a better place to address technical questions about how the software works. ColinFine (talk) 19:22, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Mike's response is correct and effective. Mathglot (talk) 06:59, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Wiki citations
Hi. I've only recently come across this problem while editing articles - some citations don't appear in order, for example: there will be a reference marked as [5] but the one that comes after might be [16]. It's a small thing but I'd like to know how to fix that, so I can make them all appear in chronological order.

Thanks for your help.

~ Usernameisoccupiedtoo (talk) 18:35, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * This may not be an error- it is possible to format references so that an early one can be used later in the article, it will have the same number as its first appearance in the article. 331dot (talk) 18:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Usernameisoccupiedtoo It is the software that numbers and renumbers the references, not editors. References are always numbered from top to bottom through the text of the article BUT an early reference (say #5 from the top) may be re-used again later using named references. Hence the #5 could appear later close to #16. There is nothing for you to "fix". Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)