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Force subst
Is there a template or module that forces you to subst a template? Thanks in advance FatalFit &#124; &#9993; &#124; ✓ 04:37, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Forces? No.  But require substitution will complain loudly at you if you don't.  See, for example, Template:Rfd top for what it looks like. —Cryptic 06:17, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Or use to have AnomieBOT substitute all uses. * Pppery * it has begun...  14:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Problem with display of local map in the infobox
This request concerns the local map in the infobox for Lidsdale. The local map is currently displaying an area of sea off the coast of West Africa (probably just zero degrees latitude and zero degrees longitude), instead of the area expected from the coordinates (33°23'24"S, 150°5'5"E). The article is correctly linked from Wikidata item Q31405419, and in the page information for the article the relevant Wikidata item is (as expected) Q31405419. I have looked at very similar articles, like Wallerawang, in which the local map is being correctly displayed, and I cannot see anything yet that seems different in the set up for Lidsdale. However, Lidsdale's local map is not showing the correct local area, even though its location map seems to be fine. If anyone could point me in the right direction on this problem, I would appreciate that greatly. Thanks.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 06:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I had a go at this, looked at all the documentation, tried some tries, and couldn't make any headway. Confirmed mapframe. I see you've already experimented with altering the coordinates on Wikidata by one second. Module talk:Australian place map is a redlink, but Template talk:Infobox Australian place isn't. That might be the next port of call. Hopefully someone there will have a better idea. Folly Mox (talk) 07:49, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The problem may be that https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6044563 (Lidsdale) doesn't have a wikidata field to retrieve coordinates from. For comparison, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6056455 (Wallerawang) says wikidata Q7963054. I don't contribute to OpenStreetMap. Our own article Lidsdale is connected to which has the coordinates but that may not be enough. The Wikidata entry links to the OpenStreetMap entry but there is no link the opposite way. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Your suggestion, that the issue is at the openstreetmap end, certainly makes very good sense. I have not had anything to do with openstreetmap (yet), but that seems to be the next stop.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 23:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I tried the suggestion from PrimeHunter. That was to add the Wikidata item at https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6056455, which I did as a first time editor of OpenStreetMaps. Alas, the local map is still not displaying, in the infobox, but now, if I click on that local map box (to display the local map in full screen), voila the correct map is displayed (full screen). So, there is still something amiss, but definitely progress has been made. Any further suggestions would be welcomed.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 07:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The local map displays for me without having to click it. Try to bypass your cache on the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter:@Folly Mox: Keeping the change mentioned above in place, I finally got it to work by adding the field 'Local Map Wikidata Item ID' to the infobox in Lidsdale and setting it to Q31405419. (I had tried this before, but in the absence of the Wikidata item ID in OpenStreetMaps, it previously did nothing.) Now, the local map is appearing in the infobox. I think what I have done, in this second change, really should not have been necessary (compare to the infobox for Wallerawang, which does not use 'Local Map Wikidata Item ID' but still displays the local map correctly). So, there is probably still something a little wrong, but the local map now works, even if possibly just by 'brute force'. Thanks for coming to my aid, much appreciated. TrimmerinWiki (talk) 08:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It worked for me before your edit and the former version still works for me. I think this was a cache issue. Note the bypass your cache instructions about holding down Ctrl or Shift. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:34, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter:@Folly Mox: Just saw comment from PrimeHunter at 08:12, 25 August 2023, above. Yes, you are right! I guess making a new revision of the article, for any reason, also has the effect of renewing the cache. I just reverted the last change, by removing the field 'Local Map Wikidata Item ID' in the infobox in Lidsdale and, true enough, I can still see the local map. Thanks again! I feel better now that the problem is 100% fixed, and that I have learned something useful from the exercise.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 08:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

T.V.Gopalakrishnan
The Wikepedia page on the above mentioned person is wrong. Tab: About: Children. G.Vishwanath - (1964-12023) G. Ramanath Aparna Raghavan

The person Devie Neithiyar does not exist. Can you please correct this on the page as I cannot access it?

Thank you Aparna Raghavan Bijuanna (talk) 06:28, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Bijuanna, you're asking about the article T. V. Gopalakrishnan. You can make a suggestion for this page on Talk:T. V. Gopalakrishnan. Be sure to supply reliable sources for what you say. The article T. V. Gopalakrishnan does not mention "Devie Neithiyar" and I don't understand what you're saying about this person (or non-person). -- Hoary (talk) 06:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. In children it says : Devie Neithyar- she is not his daughter. Yhis should be updated! I am his daughter! thanks Aparna Bijuanna (talk) 08:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * For additional comment, please edit this existing section, instead of creating additional sections for every comment. Note that we can't just take your word that you are this person's daughter, it needs to be documented somewhere verifiable.
 * Please also read conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 09:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you want my passport copy? How can you add a person without verification and ask the the real daughter a verification. Unbelievable. Bijuanna (talk) 09:14, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Do not give copies of identity documents to anyone. I personally believe you are who you say you are, but to put this in an article it needs to be documented somewhere in a reliable source.  If the current information is incorrect and unsourced, it can be removed. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes I can confirm that the current information is incorrect and unsourced, I can confirm - so please remove the name Devie Neithiyar from children topic.
 * Thank you very much
 * Aparna Bijuanna (talk) 09:26, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see anywhere in T. V. Gopalakrishnan where it discusses his children, incorrectly or otherwise. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I didn't see this either. Bijuanna, are you sure you're asking about English-language Wikipedia (and not Wikipedia in some other language, or some other website that's a derivative of Wikipedia)? -- Hoary (talk) 10:10, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess the op is talking about Google's search result here Wikipedia has no control over this, you would have to approach Google about any incorrect information. Theroadislong (talk) 10:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But the "children" part of that panel lists Aparna (who I think is the OP), not Devie Neithyar. --Viennese Waltz 11:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you - how can I change that? Bijuanna (talk) 12:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that panel is managed by Google, not Wikipedia. There is a little grey Feedback button in the bottom right corner of the panel, you can click that to send feedback directly to Google who may chose to update it. Wikipedia has no control over the contents of that panel, sorry.  Qcne  (talk)  12:10, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I already complained to Google and they gave me your helpdesk! Unbelievable that i am running from one door to another a basic mistake of some ramdom person mentioned as my sibliy! Can we find out who gave this wierd info? Please see message from Google below: Bijuanna (talk) 12:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Message from Google:
 * Hello,
 * Thank you for contacting us.
 * As our team supports queries only about knowledge panels. Unfortunately, we cannot answer your questions about “Wikipedia”. Please contact Wikipedia Help Center for further assistance.
 * Please let us know if you have questions about the Google knowledge panel. We will be glad to assist you.
 * Regards,
 * Rishitha
 * Google knowledge panel support team Bijuanna (talk) 12:59, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry Google has told you to come to our Help Desk. Please remember we all unpaid volunteers here at Wikipedia.
 * On the Google Knowledge Panel I cannot actually see where it mentions that his child is "Devie Neithiyar". I do not see this person anywhere on that panel. On my screen it shows "Aparna Raghavan". If you Google both phrases together, you can see that a website called 'EverybodyWiki' states she is the foster daughter of Gopalakrishnan. I wonder if the Google Knowledge Panel is pulling that information from that website? 'EverybodyWiki' has no connection to Wikipedia. I'm sorry we cannot be of any further assistance.  Qcne  (talk)  13:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * To Bijuanna: perhaps you could give a link or a screenshot that shows where you are seeing Devie Neithiyar listed as one of his children? None of us here can see it. --Viennese Waltz 13:14, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Article on forthcoming Rolling Stones album
Hackney Diamonds was created yesterday, following the discovery of a teaser ad in a London newspaper. The ad is widely believed to refer to a forthcoming Rolling Stones album. Regarding the artwork, the article states that it was posted on the band's social media profiles, but this is not correct. It was actually posted inadvertently on the design agency's website, and has since been taken down. So I'm not sure it's OK to have this artwork in the article. Nothing official has yet been announced by the band or their management concerning this album. By the way, I'm well aware that the correct place to discuss these issues would be the article's talk page, but by posting here I'm hoping to reach a wider audience. Courtesy ping to User:Koavf, who created the article. --Viennese Waltz 09:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * If you want to reach a wider audience than just the talk page, you may make a Request for Comment on the talk page(instead of just writing there). 331dot (talk) 09:21, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I wasn't aware of that process and it looks useful. However, as it says there, "RfCs are time consuming, and editor time is valuable." I don't have a horse in this race, I was just drawing attention to the issue in case anyone else feels strongly enough to do something about it. --Viennese Waltz 11:45, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you want a more targeted noticeboard likely to receive more response, and from users with more interest in the matter WP:MCQ is a noticeboard exactly designed for questions regarding media at Wikipedia. You'll likely get better responses (and more participation) there than here.  -- Jayron 32 12:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that indeed looks like the most useful board. I'll post the query there. --Viennese Waltz 13:12, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Donation
I would like to donate but your payment portal does not include my bank (SBI) for bank transfers. Kindly look into this matter. 14.139.185.183 (talk) 11:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi IP editor. Unfortunately this is the Wikipedia Help Desk - we don't have anything to do with the donation campaigns run by the Wikimedia Foundation. Please email donate@wikimedia.org who may be able to help.  Qcne  (talk)  12:08, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Aldo, Giovanni & Giacomo
On this page, have I added the honours in the right place? Should they be inserted before the "See also" paragraph? JackkBrown (talk) 12:23, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @JackkBrown. The Honours section is in the right place, but I think the Miscellaneous section can be mostly deleted as it just contains trivial biographical information. Feel free to do that if you'd like!  Qcne  (talk)  12:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I added the template "One source", since the page currently has 1 reference. JackkBrown (talk) 15:41, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Link to 1911 Britannica
I'm looking at this edit and I cannot see what it's trying to achieve. Following the link in the footnote takes me to Encyclopaedia Britannica. Not a specific page of it that might source the information in the preceding sentence about Succession Duty, but the entire eleventh edition. Is this edit correct and if so why/how? Is it good faith but somehow incomplete or malformed? Or just vandalistic? Sorry to bring it here but I've no idea how to respond to it. AndyJones (talk) 12:31, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * When you asked the person who did it about the edit, what did they say? -- Jayron 32 12:37, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * AndyJones, the intended source is probably wikisource:1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Succession Duty, there is a special template for the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica at Template:Cite EB1911. TSventon (talk) 16:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

The approval to use WW2 Maps in my New Book
In Wikipedia and Operation Retribution 1942 there is a map which details the Straight of Sicily and is by Norman Einstein. My book is all about the battles fought in the Western Desert in November 1942 to May 1943 and Operation Retribution was key to the capture of 250,000 Axis troops and stopped them evacuating to Sicily and then Europe. I am trying to obtain consent from the originator of the map to allow me to use it in my new book. Thank you Philip Lamb - Author PhilipWJL (talk) 14:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @PhilipWJL. Is this the image you mean? As you can see from that link, it has been released under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported licence. You can therefore reuse it in your book with the appropriate attribution, keeping the license the same.  Qcne  (talk)  14:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your swift response to my enquiry. Yes, this is the map I would like to use
 * in my New Book 'The Tunisian Campaign'. The reason for the request is due to the fact that most publishers are very wary regarding copyright and they need to have ponsented rpoof that this isn't an issue.
 * Many thank for your proof of consent. Philip Lamb 82.39.186.68 (talk) 14:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Good luck with your book! :)  Qcne  (talk)  14:59, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Problem in article
In the article Logarithm, I'm getting a lot of red messages, e.g. " Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle \log_b(xy) = \log_b x + \log_b y,} " I tried Firefox, Crome, and Edge - they all have the problem. Is there something I need to install? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 15:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bubba73 It is rendering OK on my standard Windows/Edge browser. You probably need expert advice from WP:VPT folk. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:29, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Works fine for me with Firefox. Maybe this helps: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math#Viewing_math. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 18:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Apparently you're not the only one who has run into this recently. See: Village_pump_(technical) -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, now 3+ hours later, it is working. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:15, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

The International Centre for Birds of Prey
Hello, I have just been informed that someone calling themselves Saker 99 has put information on the page about ICBP. Not only is the information an absolute lie, but is it libelous as well. The Charities commisson is not looking at the ICBP, the Centre did not close because of that. Jemima Parry Jones did not illegally import any birds, far from it she appeared in court as an expert witness against the person who did import them. I am Jemima Parry-Jones and I have always supported Wikipedia, but no longer I am afraid. How you can let this sort of libal happen amazes me Aquila 1949 (talk) 15:25, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Aquila 1949.
 * Wikipedia is built on the foundational principal that anyone can edit. Unfortunately this does mean that vandalism and incorrect information can slip through. We do have tens of millions of articles, with hundreds of thousands of edits per day, and a limited number of volunteer editors.
 * I will note the information you believe to be incorrect was completely unsourced, which is not permitted on Wikipedia - but also the information you added to replace it was also completely unsourced, so also not permitted. Your edits have been reverted to the last clean version of the article, and the article no longer has any unsourced content.  Qcne  (talk)  15:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to add, I have warned the user in question who added the unsourced content.  Qcne  (talk)  15:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * For the sake of accuracy:  →  so tens of millions of articles is somewhat of an exaggeration.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:45, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, there is the stuff in the lead which is lead-only. Also, the only ref is the org itself. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Noting that the Jemima Parry-Jones article also is pretty awful from the WP-POV. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:46, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Aquila 1949: Another user already removed that unreferenced information, so saying [h]ow [we] can let this sort of libal [sic] happen is rhetorically incorrect. If you are, as you claim, Parry-Jones, you are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly and instead encouraged to post edit requests on the article's talk page, not to mention disclose your conflict of interest with the article.. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an open wiki, every new edit is by default "allowed". However, what one person edits, another person can edit again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Be aware that actual libelious content is removed when identified, see WP:LIBEL for more information. Not everything that is incorrect is libelous, though. 331dot (talk) 19:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Segregate UPE/COI
What does Segregate UPE/COI abbreviation stands for? Can you link me to the policy regarding that? Juandev (talk) 17:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * UPE is Undeclared Paid Editing. COI is Conflict of Interest. What is intended by "segregate" may depend on the context. Where did you see this? ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Enter  in front of a Wikipedia term in the search box to look for the meaning: WP:UPE and WP:COI. See User:Onel5969/Clovermoss/NPP for a post by a user (possibly the only one) specifically using the expression "Segregate UPE/COI". PrimeHunter (talk) 17:15, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

wiki page link draft_theworklabs to theworklabs need to be changed
wiki page link draft_theworklabs to theworklabs need to be changed Bheemaiahnn (talk) 19:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Bheemaiahnn, Draft:Theworklabs is a draft, intended for incubation of articles not yet ready for public viewing. Wait until the draft is accepted, at which point the reviewer will move it to Theworklabs, a title in mainspace. If the reviewer declines they will leave feedback on how to improve the article to make it suitable for mainspace. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 19:27, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * About the same time I posted the above comment, you copy pasted the contents of Draft:Theworklabs into Theworklabs. By doing so, you indicate that you don't want to participate in Articles for Creation, which is fine but not recommended. I have marked it for speedy deletion under criterion G11, since I thought it was advertising the company. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 19:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * They've been blocked. I note that their talk page history seems to contain blatant copyright violations (of this source). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:53, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeffed as WP:NOTHERE. I was on to the copyvio too, but food became ready and I took a break – talk-page history now revdeleted. Thanks, all round, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

How to put an image on a page?
How do i imbed images? I want an image of a whiptail lizard on my user page. HumorousLizard2914 (talk) 22:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You can find the answer to your question at Help:Images. Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 22:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)