Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2023 August 28

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How to look at a ticket?
I want to look at, or at least ask to look at, ticket #2011063010011597, as I researched the entity in question (an image) and looks kind of unlikely. People do make mistakes I guess. I know the ticket people are busy, but even so.

But the link for the ticket number takes me here, home page for the Volunteer Response Team. But to go further it wants a username, a password, and a 2nd authentication method. It doesn't take my regular Wikixxxx password, and even if it did I don't have a second factor set up. I get that we want special security for this, but there must be some way to review a ticket, or a partly-censored version of it, or ask to at least? Herostratus (talk) 01:01, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that you need to be a member of Volunteer_Response_Team to look at tickets, because tickets can hold non-public information. I don't think there is any access for non-members.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Herostratus You should probably contact the VRT directly by email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, with the ticket number and your concerns. The VRT can be used to handle email reports of copyright violations. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:54, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you. I thought a read somewhere that "trusted" editors could view, we'll see. Maybe a volunteer can look at it and without giving info tell me how the ticket is OK, cos, for reasons, I'm dubious, and it's kind of important. I hate to bother them, but... Anyway if I can't, I can't, and fine. Thank you for the help! Herostratus (talk) 22:35, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Einstein's Rest Energy
Rest energy is a type of energy given by Einstein's equation E=MC^2.

Why isn't it listed at this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Forms_of_energy ?? 96.227.223.203 (talk) 01:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Because Rest Energy is only a section of a larger article and categories contain articles and not sections of articles. RudolfRed (talk) 01:46, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You could, I suppose, add the category to the redirect page. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I have corrected some data under the heading of the 100 largest US cities by crime rate
For example, the only city listed under the state of Oregon was Astoria, a small town on the Oregon coast. Portland was not listed, although the population and crime data align well with that of Portland. There were about 10 such instances in which the largest cities in various states were missing and replaced by smaller cities that do not have anywhere near the population in the table. One of your editors (MaterialsScientist) is quite dogmatic ... he erased my edits simply because I did not provide proper documentation, even though my edits are correct. I am a big supporter of Wikipedia and supply many edits and have made generous monetary contributions to Wikipedia. This upsets me and undermines my faith in Wikipedia as a source of correct data. 177.226.144.150 (talk) 03:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It appears that the article was vandalized on 17 August in this edit by an IP editor who replaced a number of names of large cities in that article with the names of other cities. @Materialscientist seems to have incorrectly assumed that you were replacing city names incorrectly when you were in fact correcting previous vandalism. At this point you should send Materialscientist a message on their talk page (here) or add a note to the article talk page (here) pointing this out. It would also be better to simply revert the 17 Aug vandalism rather than manually correcting each entry, to make sure that none are missed, but either way is fine as long as they are all corrected. CodeTalker (talk) 03:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Are the old stuff still available from 2016 and 2017?
I joined Wikipedia back in 2016, and had made some setting changes that I liked. However, as I got busy in life I came here less and less often. Just recently I realized a lot has changed not just in the layout, but in my toolbar on the top right of the page.

First, I want to know if I can get the previous layout of Wikipedia via settings. When I say previous layout I am reffering to the layout I mean the layout where, the Table of Contents was in the form of a gray box in the article page, when tools where on the left side of the page, and the thing on the top view was not on always display and one had to scroll to top to search again. Is there a setting for that legacy layout?

Second, I remember I had a few Beta things enabled, which I do not see anymore. I do not exactly remember what used to be enabled, I only remember I did have something enabled in the past and now nothing there shows enabled.

Third, I have noticed that some pages no longer allow visual editor, instead opting for source style editor. Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 03:49, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @aceing winter snows harsh cold:
 * there should be a "switch to old look" link at the left sidebar.
 * yes, some beta feautres are no longer in beta.
 * that shouldn't be new: it is disabled on all talk pages, templates, and the wikipedia namespace.
 * ltbdl (talk) 04:06, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * What happened to those beta features specifically? Is there any way to use them still?  Is there a list of them?  Did the switch for the new look issue.  Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 04:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Software release life cycle is not meant to be permanent. Some of MediaWiki's beta features are abandoned, some become a default or opt-in feature in the main software, possibly with modifications since the beta phase, some remain in beta for years. I don't think there is a history of what has been on the Beta tab at which times but you can find mention of some old Beta features at mw:Beta Features/About and the page history of mw:Help:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I want to create a page for my company
I want to create a page for my company. Can anyone help me to get approval for this. Also I want to know about what are the details I need to provide for this? Williamisabellajones (talk) 11:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There are no pages for companies on Wikipedia, we have articles on notable companies and they are very rarely written by anyone who is involved or works with the company. Theroadislong (talk) 11:32, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Williamisabellajones I know nothing about your company, but on Wikipedia, existing is not enough. There must be independent (of you and your company) reliable sources (WP:RS) to base such an article on. Some initial reading: WP:NORG, WP:BACKWARD and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:36, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Possible copyvio
Béla Magyari has suspicious "references" that look like "[3]", which suggests they were copied from somewhere else, but I can't find anything that resembles the text. What should I do? Clarityfiend (talk) 12:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this text has been translated from the Hungarian version of the article. What to do? Not sure! A Hungarian-speaker might be able to verify and copy in the missing references. A Translated page notice on the talk page could give attribution. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:52, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, it looks like an uncredited translation of hu:Magyari Béla (űrhajós). You could check, add credit via an edit summary, see Help:Translation and warn the editor concerned. TSventon (talk) 12:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I added the edit summary. Pinging, who may want to help with the citation clean-up. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Yorkshire Ramblers' Club
Ref 3  is all wrong - in red - please leave in quote. thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 12:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅, it seems putting circa in front of year was resulting in the error message. Where did c.1971 come from? When opening the web page, it says YRC Journal 1970; Vol 10 No 35. Cmr08 (talk) 16:19, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

When is "abortion controversy" anything encyclopedic?
You regularly beg for funds, but do not patrol the contend editors put up on the pages. I was researching the Danube river and its tributaries at Passau Bavaria today and saw two paragraphs where someone was arguing that abortion was not available in Passau. This is totally out of bounds in an encyclopedia and should be stricken here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passau 108.167.28.212 (talk) 14:01, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I have removed that section as undue weight. Thanks for catching that 108.167.28.212.  The Night Watch     (talk)   14:06, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Editor: we have over 7,000 edits every hour and rely completely on volunteers to patrol new edits. Not every piece of false information, vandalism, or text contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia can be caught.
 * I will also note that it is the Wikimedia Foundation that solicits donations, not the volunteers who do the editing.  Qcne  (talk)  16:30, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, for the record, I bet if you asked the average person who responds to the Help desk whether they want you to donate to the Wikimedia Foundation, they'd say "no". casualdejekyll  00:12, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Since we're on record now, as a distinctly non-average person, I don't have any issue with people donating to the WMF. The community is divided on the subject, and I'm not prepared to estimate the median. Folly Mox (talk) 06:05, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The interesting positions seem to divide between 1) "The WMF received a lot of donations in the past, so should never receive anymore going forward" and 2) "Even currently financially solvent organizations with lots of reserve cash need to maintain steady forms of income even in times of financial well-being" which is an interesting dichotomy. In general, people should feel free to give to WMF without being assaulted by people who hold personal beefs with the WMF, and use that beef to actively (but subtly) discourage other people from donating.  -- Jayron 32 13:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the prevailing thought is that editors here don't really care if you donate or not.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:24, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not the ones that write responses to people who ask how to donate; the second or third response to such questions is invariably someone trying to actively discourage people from doing so. While I broadly agree with you (most editors don't care one way or the other, in terms of total population), in terms of responses people receive here at the help desk, nearly all earnest questions about how to donate are met with someone with an axe to grind trying to steer people away from doing so.  -- Jayron 32 16:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I seem to have caused a stir with my off-handed comment. I was not trying to sway anyone to donate or not- just clarifying because the OP said "you regularly beg for funds".  Qcne  (talk)  16:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Template:Graph:Lines
We have been seeing "Graphs are temporarily unavailable due to technical issues" across pages that use this template since the updates over at mediawiki. Will these be corrected soon or is this a permanent purposeful disabling of the template? Thanks. Bob247 (talk) 14:25, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * See mw:Extension:Graph/Plans. This has been broken for months with no clear timeline on when it will be fixed, and the updates to the template itself are unrelated. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

How to create organization
s DELTANO (talk) 15:59, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * This help desk is for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia only. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:04, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you mean "How do I create a Wikipedia article about an organization?", the answer is that in most cases you don't.
 * If you can show that the organization meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability (which are almost entirely about what people unconnected with the organization have published about it, and hardly at all about what the organization is, does, says, or wants to say), then there could be an article about it: if you cannot find these sources, you'll know that no article on the subject will be accepted, and not to spend any more time on it.
 * If you can find the sources, and wish to embark on the difficult task of writing an article about it, please read WP:YFA, and WP:BACKWARDS. If you have any connection with the organization, then you must read WP:COI. You are also advised to read WP:PROUD. ColinFine (talk) 20:36, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Table Column count Check
Is there any way (and I know this is a long shot) to detect tables with rows containing a different number of columns?Naraht (talk) 16:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Changing filenames
Accidently created User:DMc75771/Sanddox how do I make it User:DMc75771/Sandbox? DMc75771 (talk) 19:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * DMc75771 See Help:How to move a page. TSventon (talk) 19:38, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

How do I change DMc75771/Sanddox to DMc75771/Sandbox? DMc75771 (talk) 20:04, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Now resolved. TSventon (talk) 20:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Potential Error in Wikipedia Library Access
Hello hello! Upon making my first edit in a long while, (definitely longer than a week), I seem to have been instantly given a congratulations message about my "eligibility for the Wikipedia Library". This appears (to me) to be an error, though? Upon looking into the qualifications, it seems that one needs 10+ edits within the last week to be eligible, whereas I've only made 3 as soon as I post this. I'm not sure if this is a bug? I've successfully logged in and read the related articles, but I haven't been able to find much on this criteria, so further information would be appreciated. Utopes (talk / cont) 21:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I recommend contacting the Wikipedia Library people directly at https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/contact/ . Note the explanation of eligibility that I saw was 10 edits in the last *month*, but you don't qualify for *that* either.Naraht (talk) 21:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org says 10+ edits in the last month but I haven't found this requirement in the code. 500+ edits and 6+ months editing are there. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:50, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Meant to say month, but yeah both of those did not apply (it could have said year and still not apply lol). It does seem to be an instance where the text says one thing yet the code does another; not really sure what can be done about it besides bring it to attention. It should be a non-issue going forward because I now have 10 and will likely be utilizing the Library in the future, but this seems to be something of a very minor edge case that not many people fall into in terms of which criteria are actually accounted for. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:00, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Code and documentation will of course always match (Snark). I'd recommend sending something using the contact page above.Naraht (talk) 14:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Utopes Rather than making a private contact with the library, you could use their Talk Page at WT:The Wikipedia Library, so that others would see the information too. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:25, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Donations
Is Wikipedia a charity in the Uk (or any other country)? Is it possible for you to claim gift aid on donations - if so is there something I need to fill in? Thank you John Oliver Johnmichaeloliver (talk) 21:29, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Wikimedia UK is the charitable organization for Wikimedia projects in the UK. The Wikimedia Foundation is the main charitable organization based in the United States. Cullen328 (talk) 21:35, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You might be interested to read Wikipedia finances and articles such as this before donating money. Shantavira|feed me 08:22, 29 August 2023 (UTC)