Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2023 December 3

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Does the 2017 wikitext editor work on mobile?
ibid. seems useful for adding citations Mach61 (talk) 01:24, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * After following the instructions on the linked page and opening the editor, I can confirm that the 2017 wikitext editor does not appear to be compatible with the mobile skin Minerva. Folly Mox (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Name lisakhanya 41.114.247.139 (talk) 10:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * But if you want to use it on mobile, just click on “Request desktop website” wherever it is on your browser. Safari has the option when you click the A A button. Equalwidth (C) 08:41, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Referencing an online archive artifact
What is the correct way to reference an online archive artifact? In particular, I want to reference the artifact on this page at the Brown University Computer Science archive.

https://repository.library.brown.edu/studio/item/bdr:1095253/ Paul C. Anagnostopoulos (talk) 02:07, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * , here's the syntax I would use:
 * This produces:Someone with deeper knowledge about the citation templates may show up with a better suggestion; I chose citation over cite web so you can refer to specific pages within the document (cite web does not support page numbers). Folly Mox (talk) 02:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * (cite web does not support page numbers). :
 * Page 13 was just a number pulled from a hat...
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 03:52, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Welp, looks like I'm wrong again! I feel like at some point cite web didn't support page numbers, but my poor record for which citation templates support which parameters is already well established in the literature. Thanks for the correction, ., Trappist's syntax is superior to my proposal, so you should probably use that instead. Folly Mox (talk) 04:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 03:52, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Welp, looks like I'm wrong again! I feel like at some point cite web didn't support page numbers, but my poor record for which citation templates support which parameters is already well established in the literature. Thanks for the correction, ., Trappist's syntax is superior to my proposal, so you should probably use that instead. Folly Mox (talk) 04:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Omid Scobie
Ref number 10 is in red - please fix if able to. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 08:41, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Srbernadette . there was a new line (line feed) character that separated "20" and "23" in the date which was causing the error. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 09:03, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Two (small) doubts
"North-eastern" or "northeastern"? "Po river valley", "Po River valley", "Po River Valley" or "Po river Valley"? JackkBrown (talk) 11:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @JackkBrown: For the first, see MOS:COMPASS. Bazza (talk) 11:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * perfect, I'll leave it at that; the article (History of Islam in southern Italy) is most likely written in British English, not American English. JackkBrown (talk) 11:48, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * With regard to your second question, either "Po River valley" or "Po Valley" is acceptable, but the others are not. Deor (talk) 15:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Donations
Hello, I would like to donate to Wikipedia but I don’t know if my information will be kept safe from hackers or if the donation campaign is fraudulent. Please comment. Thanks. MarieGisbertAnne (talk) 12:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @MarieGisbertAnne Firstly, the money doesn't go directly to Wikipedia. It goes to the Wikimedia Foundation. I'll let you decide whether that makes the campaign "fraudulent". (and is the money well-spent? cough. cough.) I can't comment on the security of the servers, but I generally respect the WMF on that front. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 16:27, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * There are usually donation campaigns in December. If you are worried about donating to scammers who insert a fake donation link somewhere then click "Donate" in the sidebar to the left when you are at the website en.wikipedia.org. If the sidebar is hidden then first click a hamburger button ☰ at the top left. It would be difficult for a hacker to take control of that link and it would quickly be discovered and fixed. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:52, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You can also email donate@wikimedia.org and ask them about your concerns. 331dot (talk) 18:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Graph isn't showing up
Hey, the graph at the second section at Prevalence of tobacco use. Isn't working. Can someone please fix it? Thanks, Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 16:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See mw:Extension:Graph/Plans. TLDR: It is a big problem and is being worked on. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Getting help to review
Hi I have been working on a page of a Swedish book author but the references I have are to Swedish media outlets. When originally creating the page, I had the page "proposed for deletion" due to lack of references. I asked the person who proposed the deletion what to do when the references are in other languages. They suggested fixing things in "Draft" form, then submitting it to review. I am currently still editing it, BUT, once it is finished, how do I submit it to review? Kelevyam (talk) 19:29, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've added a template to the draft that includes a button to submit it once ready. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 19:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Maddy from Celeste: Draft:Karin Dahan might be the correct draft. The draft you mentioned seems to have the person's name misspelled in the draft title. GoingBatty (talk) 19:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah. Well, I've done it for that one too. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 19:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Prothesis (altar)
I ask here so as not to make a mistake: in one part of the text it says "Greek-Catholic Churches", my doubt is as follows: By clicking on the link (on the words "Greek-Catholic") the page is Eastern Catholic Churches, but according to the text the wikilink should be Greek Catholic Churches. JackkBrown (talk) 21:01, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @JackkBrown: Greek Catholic Churches is a redirect to Greek Catholic Church, which is a set index article. If you would like to discuss whether readers clicking on the words "Greek-Catholic" would be better served by ending up at Greek Catholic Church instead of Eastern Catholic Churches, you can discuss this on the article's talk page: Talk:Prothesis (altar). GoingBatty (talk) 21:16, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

how to insert missing title of a magazine reference
While adding a name to an edit and attaching a web refeence to the name I neglected to add the name of the Magazine, how do I add that name? NOVEM171 (talk) 21:53, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Which article? there are multiple ways to create a ref, so to help, we need to see how you tried to do this. -Arch dude (talk) 23:01, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks.
 * Here is the page I would like to edit.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colin_de_Land&action=submit
 * I would like to insert my name with a link to a personal page.
 * However. As I begin this process I created the user page:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:NOVEM171&action=edit&redlink=1 with the user name: NOVEM171 believing that an anonymous name was what was expected to create the personal page: Dennis Balk.
 * Have I made an error?
 * Should I create a Dennis Balk "User" and then title my page, Dennis Balk.
 * Am I allowed to create the additional, correct, page if I've made a mistake?
 * Sorry if this is too confusing.
 * Any help would be great.
 * Best. NOVEM171 (talk) 23:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @NOVEM171: Hi there! Are you referring to this edit to the Colin de Land article?  I suggest reviewing WP:EASYREFBEGIN to learn how to add a reference.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:01, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! NOVEM171 (talk) 23:06, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * you should not add your name to that "list" at all, unless you are notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia like the other folks there. A Wikipedia article, not your user page. To have an article, you will need to first establish that you are notable as an artist by Wikipedia's definition. See WP:NARTIST. Once you are certain you are in fact notable, please come back here and we can help you past all the other horrible hurdles. -Arch dude (talk) 23:44, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Arch dude. Thanks for the quick reply and clarification, I appreciate it. I am definitely at the level of notable as well as a name that belongs on the list I brought to your attention. I cover all the bases within the WP:NARTIST you passed to me. What might be the next step? Do I need to establish my qualifications with you? Or, should I proceed by writing my article based on the other articles I've seen on Wikipedia? I'd like to include all the appropriate citations and external links. Would you be willing to help me with this? Past all the horrible hurdles? Best. DB NOVEM171 (talk) 01:46, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Excellent. First, carefully read WP:AUTO. Then, read several articles about similar subjects (the list you wish to add yourself to is a good start) to get a feel for the appropriate tone and format. Then, proceed to WP:YFA and follow the instructions there to create a draft article. when you are happy with the draft, submit it for review. I must reiterate: notability is mandatory. You need to find multiple substantial material in published reliable sources. The tedious details of formatting the references can be intimidating, but for now you can just add the URLs (if on the web) or a complete citations if not. Put a note on my talk page if it's too much, but the guys who review drafts are better at this. -Arch dude (talk) 02:21, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @NOVEM171: Note that those published reliable sources that demonstrate notability must be independent from you, so don't rely on things you wrote or your website or interviews. GoingBatty (talk) 03:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @NOVEM171 In the rush to create an article, you should realise that there are a number of very good reasons wp:Why an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing . Anything you might do or say in your later personal life will be likely added to the article (with reliable refs, of course), and you will have essentially no say about the article's contents, critical or not. MinorProphet (talk) 14:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that note. The more time I consider your notes and advice I'm reevaluating my approach to this. I do still wish to post an article of my name, but I am assessing and gathering my independent references in published material. I do have those, they exist, I'm assessing the extent to which they support the article. Can I get back to you? Thanks a million for your notes. DB NOVEM171 (talk) 15:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear GoingBatty.
 * Thanks so far.
 * I have reviewed everything pertinent, I believe. I understand the demands and the independent sources protocol. I understand that Wikipedia would rather not have me write my own article, but I’d like to give it a shot, to your colleagues, the reviewers. I believe it to be legitimate, noteworthy and a respectable addition to Wikipedia. I have reviewed many pages, mostly my colleagues, peers and friends. I can see there are differing templates. I have already crafted the main text and I have gathered all the requisite independent references, articles and research. I have them as hyper links on my draft. So, the insertion of those “tags” will be my immediate challenge. I did attempt the sandbox. I understand the editing process, I’m a published author. What I haven’t yet conquered is the insertion of a link into the body of the text. The tools on the side of the sandbox don’t seem to come with much explanation. The insertion markups are confusing. Should I begin with “Create new article draft” ? Or, should we correspond more before I begin. I’m grateful for any help. I believe I can get it with just a little help. Thanks. Dennis NOVEM171 (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Hugh Grosvenor, 7th Duke of Westminster
Ref number 18 is in red and I cannot see what I did wrong. Please fix if you have the time, thanks. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 23:24, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Frederick William Hervey, 2nd Marquess of Bristol" is not a url. I also don't see the need for two sources for a minor family relationship. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:16, 4 December 2023 (UTC)