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Is a TOC with columns possible?
Hello from el and en.wiktionary. Asking for help here at en.WP, sorry to bother you with external subject. I was wondering, if some kind of template for Table of Contents is possible, quasi _ _TOC__ but with breaks at Level2 to create columns? Our contents at dictionaries are usually for 3 or 4 lanugages with short, repetitive section-titles. It would be lovely to have a template with new_col=... and/or new_row=... something like... (compare at σκληρός, how it would look it looks different here) Would readers of wikipedias like it too? Thank you very much, Sarri.greek (talk) 03:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Sarri.greek How would a device's screen width affect this? Do you expect to always see two columns? Note that for many tablets and cell phones,  the screen "width" changes when the device is rotated 90 degrees.  If the screen is very wide, do you expect three or four columns? David10244 (talk) 08:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @David10244. This is for dictionaries. At the moment everything is one column like here or [3cols here . The Contents have a lot of space next to them. We have thousands of pages with 3 or 4 languages. I am trying to make it [[wikt:el:Template:test-ol|like here]]. Thank you. Sarri.greek (talk) 10:48, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Corporate Logo Images
Hi all, and thanks in advance for your help. I've been asked by a mid sized international company to create a wiki page for them and I can see in advance and from previous experience that uploading their corporate logo to use on their page is going to cause me headaches. Can someone please tell me what's needed to ensure this doesn't get taken down for copyright violation? I'm sure that if necessary I can get something from them stating I have the right to use the image, but what would be the best process.

Thanks again! Curtcaster (talk) 04:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see Logos. If we needed their permission, then we would not use the logo. Either they licence it CC-BY-SA (highly unlikely), or it has no copyrightable creative elements, or we use it without their permission under our extremely conservative interpretation of the "fair use" doctrine. This third option is the most likely to apply here. -Arch dude (talk) 05:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Curtcaster: Hi there! Thank you for declaring your COI on your user page.  If User:Curtcaster/sandbox ever becomes an article, then you can use File Upload Wizard to upload the Kilburn Live logo under fair use. GoingBatty (talk) 05:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Before doing any other work on this, make sure you can demonstrate that the company is notable as we define the term: see WP:NCORP. Most mid-sized companies are not notable, and there is very little that you can do to affect a company's notability. See WP:AMOUNT. If the company is not notable we will decline to accept your article, so you probably want to make sure the company knows that. -Arch dude (talk) 05:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Just going to add that Wikipedia notability has nothing to do with images. So, perhaps it's best to not start worrying about uploading files until after whatever article your trying to create has actually been created. Non-free images, in particular. can only be used in the article namespace; so, uploading one now and adding it to your sandbox will just result in it being removed and most likely deleted. Focus on ensuring that the draft article you're trying to create is clearly notable per WP:NCORP that it will be accepted when you submit it for review. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Curtcaster, with one exception you have made NONE of the mandatory disclosures on paid editing. Continued failure to disclose is likely to lead to a block or ban on you and your account(s). -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  19:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Orangemike Maybe this is a "timing" issue, but is the declaration on their userpage enough? David10244 (talk) 08:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yup. Apparently that was posted about simultaneously with my above statement. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  15:35, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

new seller
how to register as a seller and my products 171.76.82.105 (talk) 11:14, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't a database of sellers where products are offered for sale, sorry. 331dot (talk) 11:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't an advertising website. It is an encyclopedia. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I made anent to a profile that wasn't updated by wikipedia why?
I just made an edit to a profile and it wasn't updated I would like to know why Nassim ismaila (talk) 12:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * . , Wikipedia doesn't have profiles. It has articles, which are written by people independent of the subject, and based on published sources independent of the subject. Your edits were reverted because you didn't provide reliable independent published sources for them.  Maproom (talk) 12:29, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Nassim ismaila Besides the lack of sources, your large addition suffered from: 1) Run-on sentences  and other bad grammar; 2) You should not put markup (such as "big")  inside a heading; and 3) we don't use superscripts in dates -- use the format "23 July 1987", not "23(sup)rd July 1987". I know it's hard to write in a language that is not your first language, but your addition would have needed a lot of cleanup. If you can find sources, you can add material that is derived from those sources,  as long as you cite the sources properly. David10244 (talk) 08:41, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Restore a draft
Hi, how can I restore a deleted draft? It's been a while and the person handled it is no longer available. Thank you,Raves2023 (talk) 12:57, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * See Requests for undeletion. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:01, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Raves2023 It would help if you let us know the name of the draft. As David Biddulph said, Requests for undeletion is the appropriate place to make such a request, but they will need the name of the draft as well. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 14:07, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Updating page name
Hi,

I am updating our page for New England Bible College. The institution has changed its name to New England Bible College and Seminary. It has updated on the side panel, but the main title and url remains the same. Can you help?

New England Bible College

--Molly Sparling

NEBCS Chairman MSparling (talk) 15:52, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, the best way to do this is to start a Requested Move (RM) discussion. The instructions at WP:RSPM will walk you through how to set this up. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:59, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! MSparling (talk) 16:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Molly. If you are the chair of the institution, then you are a Paid editor. You must formally declare that status, preferably on your user page (see the link for how), and you should not directly edit the article New England Bible College and Seminary, but should instead make edit requests on its talk page. I also advise you to read WP:COI and WP:OWN.
 * I see also that the article is essentially devoid of independent sources, and is liable to get deleted unless somebody adds suitable sources to establish that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this information! What if it is an unpaid position?  Am I still considered a paid editor?  And yes, I did notice that and am looking for sources outside of our own website to validate the content.  Thanks again- I am new to editing wiki! MSparling (talk) 16:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Even if it is an unpaid position, it is assumed you benefit in some way (reputation, credentials, politically, socially, etc.), from being on the board and the university having a good reputation. By our definition of a paid editor, "Payment or compensation: includes, but is not limited to, money, goods or services."  Since it is not limited to money or tangible objects, the non-financial, non-material benefit received from being on the board is considered payment or complensation for the purposes of our terms of use. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:03, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the helpful clarification. Happy to abide by the policies!   MSparling (talk) 17:28, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * When you have made the declarations, make sure you read Golden Rule to understand what we require in a source. The Sun Journal piece is presumably a reliable source, but it fails both independence (because it obviously comes from a press release) and significant coverage (since it has only a short paragraph about the college). Non-independent sources may be used to support certain kinds of information in an article, but they do not contribute to notability. ColinFine (talk) 19:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! MSparling (talk) 19:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

List of motor yachts by length
Something in the code has shifted the notes and references for the article to the side of the table, instead of at the bottom, and I cant figure it out. Anyone else find it? Nswix (talk) 16:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * They're below when I look at it. I'm using the old Vector skin so have the full width of the screen usable, are you using the new squeezed one? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:47, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No, it was that the table wasn't properly closed, but appears to have fixed it. ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

EverybodyWiki
Hi there, I edited and created a page for an artist. However it is now in EverybodyWiki and not on Wikipedia. How can I move it please? ElleltaLove (talk) 16:58, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @ElleltaLove It would help if you give us the name of the page. Is it Draft:Lidiaana by any chance? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's Draft:Lidiaana . Thank you ElleltaLove (talk) 17:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has absolutely no connection with EverybodyWiki. If your article was on Wikipedia and is no longer, then it must have got deleted - but I see that EverybodyWiki grabs articles undergoing deletion from Wikipedia, so that is plausible.
 * If you tell us what the article was called, we can look and see why it was deleted: it is likely that it was felt to be unsalvageable, and (at best) would need to be started again from scratch; but we can't tell without knowing the title. ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi there, I created Draft:Lidiaana and It got reviewed twice and I thought it would go straight to Wikipedia. I haven't seen it published on wikipedia though. When I looked it up on google, I noticed it was on EverybodyWiki. (New user) Thanks ElleltaLove (talk) 17:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @ElleltaLove, it was reviewed and declined twice. You haven't resubmitted it, so for the moment, it's just sitting in draft space, waiting for improvement and resubmittal. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * oh! thank you so much. I just resubmitted it. ElleltaLove (talk) 17:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I declined it because it is not remotely clear how they pass WP:NSINGER? Theroadislong (talk) 17:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi there, thank you. I added a discography. What else needs to be added? Everything else I had found weren't acceptable articles. Thank you for your help (new user) ElleltaLove (talk) 18:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @ElleltaLove, a discography is not what's needed here. Have you read WP:NSINGER? Which of the criteria does this person meet? It may be that they're just not notable enough for a Wikipedia article (yet). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I understand now and will add what is necessary. Thank you for your help ElleltaLove (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Separating One Entity That Should Be Two
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Insider should be two different websites, Insider.com and Businessinsider.com are two distinct domains, even on WikiData. Additionally, and as noted by Insider, Inc. they have several domains/subdomains that should warrant having multiple pages.

Is there a way to separate this to help ensure that the information is correct? Ronin.abv (talk) 17:47, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Have you got suitable sources that establish that insider.com is notable independently of businessinsider.com? There are many examples of subsidiary companies that are not notable independent of their parent, and some that are notable. Simply existing as a separate entity is not enough to ground a separate Wikipedia article.
 * In any case, I suggest opening the discussion on Talk:Business Insider - and you, should study the arguments in Talk:Business Insider. ColinFine (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this! As far as my research goes, it can be clearly noted that while the two are related they cover different content; with one being focused on "business" content, and the other on more "lifestyle" content.
 * I'll take a look at those links. Thank you again! Ronin.abv (talk) 16:32, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ronin.abv: There are already two articles: Insider Inc. (for insider.com) and Business Insider for (businessinsider.com).
 * Insider used to be a separate unrelated article, but then it was deleted. Today I see that Insider was recreated as a redirect to  Business Insider.  I've changed Insider from a redirect to a disambiguation page with these items:
 * Business Insider, a multinational financial and business news website now knows as Insider
 * Insider, Inc., an online media company known for publishing Insider (formerly Business Insider) and other media websites
 * Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 20:03, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this! Yeah, the two our notably different entities that cover different content, with "Inc." being the overall brand - so I just wanted to make sure the information was represented correctly. Ronin.abv (talk) 16:30, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Entry [Ian Jordaan]
he following appears at the beginning of the article: This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. (Learn how and when to remove these template messages) This article reads like a press release or a news article and may be largely based on routine coverage. (February 2016) This biographical article is written like a résumé. (February 2016) The neutrality of this article is disputed. (March 2017)

Attempts over many years have been made to correct these items but the statement on "issues" remains unchanged. The comment on neutrality is very odd, it has been attempted to remove all claims but the statement stays in place.

It would be preferable to remove the entry entirely rather than continue with the impossibility of removing the statement on "multiple issues". 142.162.188.160 (talk) 19:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:18, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * NO real efforts have been made to address these issues. The assertions of notability and innovation must be sourced to impartial reliable published sources, not personal websites and online CVs. This is not optional, particularly in the case of a biography of a living person. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  19:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * But the assertions of discovery were removed some time ago. They had been made by a third party but no changes made have been "noticed" by wiki, nor by this commentor. 142.162.188.160 (talk) 13:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, the original assertion was made by the reviewer for a major award (Leipholz Medal). I guess their "neutrality" has to be questioned. But the statement that the problem had been "solved" has been removed. 142.162.188.160 (talk) 18:11, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The whole stretch of ''"He continued his work on ice-structure interaction, with particular focus on challenges to oil and gas development in the Canadian offshore.

Jordaan has made contributions to industry by providing advice on design issues and research approaches on a broad variety of offshore and Arctic projects. He led design loads studies for the Terra Nova and White Rose Floating Production, Storage and Offloading Systems (FPSOs), as well as the Hebron project. He also studied and assessed the pressures measured on the Molikpaq structure in the Beaufort Sea during 1986.

Jordaan was a principal consultant for Ice Engineering with C-CORE, a Canadian research and development company specializing in harsh environment technology innovation. He developed methods of analysis for the ice loads on structures in the shallow Caspian Sea and consulted on structural concepts for the Shtokman gas project in the deepwater Barents Sea. He also worked with the C-CORE Ice Engineering team on design loads for the Confederation Bridge 13-kilometre-long (8.1 mi) connecting Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick."'' is completely unsourced. Words like "contributions" and "developed" seem calculated to fluff him up. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  14:01, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortuantely, the biggest issue with the article on Ian Jordaan is not one that was flagged (although it is now), and it's the lack of robust sourcing. I did find one a pretty long article about him in Marine Technology Reporter from 2016.  Unfortunately, it's an interview with him so it doesn't contribute to notability as it is not independant, however it is an improvement on the sourcing that was there.  I wonder if the IP is Mr. Jordaan or is in some way associated with him? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Certainly, I am in touch with Mr Jordaan. He has just completed a new book and wanted to tidy up the very messy Wikipedia entry that exists.
 * It is good to be in contact with someone, who can hopefully assist in this effort. 142.162.188.160 (talk) 18:35, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You say you are "in touch" with him and that he wanted to "tidy up" the Wikipedia entry. Are you being paid for your efforts on his behalf? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 21:44, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No, I'm just a friend. He is retired and has no access to assistance for this kind of editorial work. The issues will have to remain unresolved. 142.162.188.160 (talk) 12:39, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You may have misunderstood; I was not insinuating in any way that he should pay someone - quite the opposite. I was asking because if you were being paid there are certain mandatory disclosures you would have to make.  "The issue will have to remain unresolved" is the opposite of what we want to happen. The issues wouldn't have been tagged if no one cared about them getting resolved.  I am interested in working on the article, but I asked below if you could point me to appropriate sources.   One would think Mr. Jordaan would be familiar with what has been written about him and might be able to help locate such written material. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 15:12, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, the idea was to remove the "issues" in the first place, agreed. Mr Jordaan does not keep a record of things written about him. And if you exclude Memorial University news items, it's hard to imagine what to look for.
 * Getting the search done poses other problems, would need funding. It seems that there is no obvious path forward. 142.162.188.160 (talk) 16:58, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm a little curious; was your goal here to assist in getting the issues fixed and the article improved, or did you just want the big orange box gone? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 18:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course, the former was the main objective, but the orange box does seem rather overdone. We had no idea what some of the comments were aimed at. It is very strange to learn that Mr Jordaan's contribution say to the Confederation Bridge design was doubted, when it is so very well known. As noted it was thought that the comment came from an envious colleague on another subject.
 * On the writing issues, surely you and your colleagues could assist in dealing with these? The orange box has actually become larger! But we now have some idea of the "issues" involved. It seems that a considerable effort is required to remove the comments, and Mr Jordaan will leave things as they are, unless/until some editorial assistance is obtained. 142.162.188.160 (talk) 21:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the easiest way to resolve the issues at this point might be to nominate the article for deletion. It seems that the required sourcing will be difficult to find, if it exists at all. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 23:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You could perhaps contact someone in the field of ice mechanics and design, he is relatively well known. That's all I can suggest. 142.162.188.160 (talk) 19:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No "fluffing up" is needed for this person. There is the final report on the design loads for ice loading on the Confederation Bridge and the paper in Can. J. Civ. Eng. 28:562-573, 2001. He is co-author of both, and major contributor.
 * There are also technical papers on the Caspian Sea, explaining the development of methods for design (several papers). He has co-authorship and senior authorship on several papers on this subject. 142.162.188.160 (talk) 18:28, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The Pratley Award was for work on the Confederation Bridge... 142.162.188.160 (talk) 18:59, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It was hoped that, by making this contact, some of the problems could be resolved, and we see that two new "issues" have been added. New citations are needed.
 * Can you assist in resolving the issues? 142.162.188.160 (talk) 20:16, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you assist in locating sources that are about Mr. Jordaan, but were created independantly of him? In other words, where people have written about him, but are not (as the article I located earlier) simply interviews of him, and are not written or produced by him or his employers? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 21:43, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Can't imagine where, if one excludes, for example, Memorial University or C-CORE news reports. Even these would take some time to search and find. This would require engaging a person to do the search. 142.162.188.160 (talk) 16:48, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think most of us are getting the feeling that the guy probably does meet our notability standards; we just need cites to the professional literature, not employer press releases and the like. We do have folks with expertise on civil engineering who edit here; alas, I am not one of them. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  01:56, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Adding a parameter in infobox
Is there a particular place where one can ask for the addition of an important parameter within template:infobox film? I've asked on the talk page but I'm not sure there's going to be much response seeing the history of the talk page. Shahid •  Talk 2 me  20:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Shshshsh Hi there! I was going to suggest Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film, but see that Template talk:Infobox film is already pointing there.  GoingBatty (talk) 20:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

war crimes allegation not supported by citation
hopefully i am in the correct place for this question. is it appropriate for a biography of a deceased person to contain an accusation that they are a "war criminal" in the lead section, when the person has been neither tried nor convicted of any war crime? Mikhail Tolstykh contains such an accusation despite never being tried nor convicted of a crime, and the citation does not claim that he is a war criminal, and no other source except Wikipedia repeats this claim. i did post an edit request on the talk page, but my request was denied possibly because i cited the incorrect Wikipedia acronym, but i cant find the correct policy and theres just so many. would someone please have a look at my edit request and re-assess it? if im in the wrong venue, hopefully someone could point me in the correct direction. .usarnamechoice (talk) 22:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ What part of "Givi and other warlords who have been killed in the past two years have publicly assaulted prisoners of war and been engaged in what can be classified as war crimes" in the article's sources did you not read? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  00:39, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Your edit request wasn't really declined because of the short-cut (i.e. acronymn) you used, but rather because the policy you were tyring to use as justification no longer applies to the subject of the article. WP:BLP applies to content about living persons or recently deceased persons, but it doesn't really apply to persons who have been dead for more than a few months. The policy could be applicable if it had to do with content about living persons mentioned in the article about Tolstykh, but not about Tolstykh himself. Moreover, as Orange Mike posted above, the sourced cited in support of the "war criminal" claim does seem to state as much. Apparently, Tolstykh was killed before formal charges were made. You could try and argue that the article content should be "accused war criminal" or something similar since he never was formally tried and convicted of any war crime per se, and the place to do would be first on the article's talk page and then maybe at WP:NPOVN. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:52, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you for the pointer . the text as it currently appears on Wikipedia is false. "war criminal" is an extraordinary claim that is not backed up by an extraordinary source, much less widely covered in reliable sources. Wikipedia is the only site making this claim ("war criminal"). this source claims that he and others "engaged in what can be classified as war crimes", which is a different claim than "war criminal". it seems to me that Wikipedia/Wikipedians would want to fix any misinformation found within Wikipedia articles but i admit i dont know enough about Wikipedia policies to state that i am sure of that. i will watch for any replies on the article talkpage and if the false information persists, i will try WP:NPOVN. thank you. :) .usarnamechoice (talk) 02:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * What's extraordinary about "a separatist warlord was a war criminal" backed up by press reports? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  02:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * i see no press reports claiming this individual was convicted of any war crime. the claim that this person was a war criminal is false, and it is extraordinary (to me) that there is no desire to correct it. :^) .usarnamechoice (talk) 02:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Your extremely restrictive definition of "needs to be convicted in a court of law" excludes the following people:
 * Shirō Ishii (see Unit 731)
 * Lavrentiy Beria (see Katyn massacre)
 * Anthony Miers (firing on shipwrecked crew)
 * ...as well as many others. It does not seem reasonable. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * On that tight definition, even Adolf Hitler avoids the term! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, the thought crossed my mind, but I decided against listing him. The only thing I can think of that is (1) definitely a war crime and (2) was taken on Hitler’s specific orders (or at least knowledge and tacit approval) is Nacht und Nebel (applied to PoW). The Holocaust, as horrible as it was, fails (1); many Wehrmacht crimes fail (2). Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 16:03, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Well we're getting a bit off topic, but consider German atrocities committed against Soviet prisoners of war for example. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you, i see how the accusation is handled on two of those pages (Beria's page does not contain the string "war c") and i will put in an edit request when this discussion is closed. :) .usarnamechoice (talk) 21:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Judge Harris Hartz
I would like to take a screenshot & post a photo of Judge Harris Hartz from the You Tube link below. Do you know what license I can use to be approved by Wikipedia Commons?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5t32zwyfo MIAJudges (talk) 22:57, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Since Harris Hartz is still living, a non-free image of him is almost certainly not going to be allowed. Most YT videos are released under a license not compatible for Wikipedia's purposes and can't be uploaded to Wikipedia (either as a video or screenshot) without the copyright holder's consent. Sometimes, though, a YT account release its content under a Creative Commons license that's OK for Wikipedia. This is usually stated in the videos "see more" section. Can you see if this video has been released under such a license? -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not see a "See more" section anywhere on the video. Does that mean the video does not have one or am I just missing it? ￼
 * MIAJudges (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There's usually something in the gray box that that says "Show more" (not "See more" as I mistakenly posted above). It should be right below where it lists the number of views and how long ago the content was upload. If you click on this, you should be able to see whether the content has been released under a CC license. I checked and it doesn't appear to be released under such a license. If you're still confused, try looking at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2S5Ov-7Mzo for example of a YT video released under a CC license. Click on that video's "Show more" and you should see "License Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed)". If you don't see anything like that on any YT video, then it's best to assume it's copyrighted and most likely not OK to upload to Wikipedia. If you're still confused even after looking at that example, there's lots of information online about CC licensing and YT, including some YT videos explaining how to find CC licensed content. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see a "See more" section anywhere on the video. Does that mean this particular video doesn't have one or am I just missing it?
 * MIAJudges (talk) 00:46, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a "Show more" link; but all it does is reveal the four "chapters" into which the broadcast was divided, and show the one comment which was made to the video. There's no copyright waiver there. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  00:52, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you read my second post above where I explained "See more" was a mistake and you should be looking for "Show more"? If you did, then why simply repost the same "I don't see a "See more" section anywhere ... " that you posted more than an hour earlier. Repeatedly posting the same thing over and over again isn't going to get you a faster or different response, and it's not going to make others want to try and help you. Double posts often happen and aren't a big deal, but posting pretty much the same thing over an hour later and almost 30 minutes after it was responded to the first time, it probably not the best way to try and seek assistance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:00, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah no, I didn't see your second reply. I'm just getting back from my lunch break. Let me take a look. Thank you
 * MIAJudges (talk) 01:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I see it in the video you posted. Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed). I will look for that going forward whenever I have a question as to if I can use it or not.
 * Thank you for your help
 * MIAJudges (talk) 01:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)