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Shorten nested div
I've been trying to replicate User talk:ATC in HTML without tables to prevent reply tool from closing the tables. Currently all I have is User talk:Aaron Liu/sandbox. The Menu's div is a lot larger for some reason. Does anyone know how to fix this? Aaron Liu (talk) 15:51, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Aaron Liu: Hi there! User talk:ATC has so many sections that a list of contents is automatically displayed on the left sidebar.  User talk:Aaron Liu/sandbox had only one section, so no left sidebar was displayed.  I took the liberty of adding some test sections, and now the Contents sidebar is displayed.  If this what you were looking for? GoingBatty (talk) 16:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @GoingBatty No, I'm talking about the "Menu" rounded square section at the top with three buttons (Globe, Microphone, Notepad) notice that my sandbox version is significantly larger than User talk:ATC. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:42, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * To me, that menu box looks the same size on both pages. I'm using the legacy skin. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I previewed in legacy and there's still a difference. Check the spacing between the rounded corners box and the green box. ATC has quite a bit of space but it's almost gone in my sandbox. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:02, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Aaron Liu: I see a difference in Vector 2022 - the cellpadding visible on User talk:ATC is not visible on your page. I did notice that User talk:ATC is a table, with the opening at the top and the close after all the sections.  Hopefully someone with better knowledge of  can jump in to help.  GoingBatty (talk) 17:27, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It also happens in vector legacy.
 * I refrained from using tables due to earlier advice I received on not using them for accesibility/screenreader concerns Aaron Liu (talk) 18:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Screenreader concerns Aaron Liu (talk) 18:22, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

hiding "fixing lint errors" edits from my watchlist
I know this is probably somewhere, but the "fixing lint error" argument has happened so many places, I don't know where the latest correct info is. I grudgingly understand - and do not want to restart the discussion - that these fixes are going to continue regardless. But I was under the impression the powers that be were going to make it so we could easily filter these edits out of our watchlists. I've tried adding the "not #fixed lint errors" tag in my active filters, and I'm still getting User:MalnadachBot and User:Jonesey95 edits in my watchlist. Are they not tagging their edits properly? Is that filter not yet live? Do I need to do something besides include the "not #fixed lint errors" tag in my "active filters" section of my watchlist? Is something about this not supported in monobook? Does God just hate me? Can someone please help a relatively clueless technophobic dinosaur just hide these edits without filtering all AWB or all bot edits out? Either by pointing me to the latest, accurate instructions, or providing them here? Alternately, can someone (User:Writ Keeper? User:Mandarax?) give me some .js or .css magic that just removes all MalnadachBot and Jonesey95 edits from my watchlist, and I'll add new names if other people start making these edits too? I've tried to tone this down a couple of times, sorry if frustration is still showing. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * See WP:HIDEBOTS for instructions on hiding a specific bot from your watchlist. It appears that you can use that same script to hide edits by specific users (namely Jonesey95, whose edits are almost always very boring). I would be happy to add that tag to my edit summaries if someone can tell me how to do so. FWIW, almost all of my Linter edits include changes that are not possible via bot code, but I am pretty consistent with the content of my edit summaries. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:27, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll try that (the HIDEBOTS option), thanks. Looks like WK and Mandarax are off the hook.  I'm still curious about the "filter lint errors" part, though, if anyone knows what I'm doing wrong; it doesn't seem to work, even for the bot. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Tags are not about specific edit summaries. It's a separate feature shown after "Tag:", e.g. in by Legobot. The watchlist feature "not #fixed lint errors" is only about the tag and works for that. MalnadachBot and Jonesey95 don't use the tag so the watchlist feature has no effect on them. They write "Fixed Lint errors" or "Fix Linter errors" in the edit summary but that doesn't matter here. There is no watchlist feature in MediaWiki which can exclude selected edit summaries. I don't know whether human editors like Jonesey95 can set the tag. MalnadachBot could probably be coded to do it for this task (it also has other tasks). It's operated by ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm going to try the HIDEBOTS option, since it sounds faster. In fact, hiding edits from particular users sounds like a great thing to add to MW.  I'll leave a note for ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ for the future. I can't imagine Jonesey95 being able to intentionally set a tag, so I won't bug them.  Thanks again. Floquenbeam (talk) 21:44, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It is technically not possible for MalnadachBot to use this tag yet. This is being worked on at T329136. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 03:54, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I change my username? I made a typographical error.
Is there a link to something like "my profile page"?

Floydskmobsrex (talk) 16:49, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * You have made only one edit to an article with this username, so probably the easiest option is simply to create a new username - with the correct spelling - and start fresh.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

How to create my companies wikipedia page?
hi i am lakshya i am new to wikipedia and all i want is to create my companies wikipedia page any help pls? what can i do to get that done i tried but it says i should practice or something but all i want is to create one anyone knows what to do? Lakshya R Jain (talk) 17:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Read Notability (organizations and companies), and Conflict of interest. There are multiple reasons why you should not be creating an article on your company, and almost no legitimate grounds to do so. Wikipedia is not a platform providing free publicity. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:56, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Lakshya R Jain I'm afraid I can only give you bad news. Your company (indeed, any company) does not get a Wikipedia page: the encyclopaedia is not social media. Wikipedia has some articles about notable companies but such articles are not owned by their subjects and may not contain what the company would wish to see, since the article will be based on what reliable sources have published, including any criticism (see FTX for an example). I would recommend you use your own website for publicity and give up the idea of drafting an article. However, if you wish to try, then use the WP:AfC process after you have made the mandatory paid editing disclosure. See the links for more advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:04, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Lakshya R Jain and @User:Michael D. Turnbull I can be a grammar stickler for its own sake, but I don't think I am being so in this case if I suggest that it might be more accurate to say that a Wikipedia article about a company MIGHT not contain (as opposed to MAY not contain) what the company would wish to see. It is incredibly unlikely that some Wikipedia article on a company will please that company in every way, down to the last word, it's certainly not forbidden.  To say that the article "MAY not contain" could sort of suggest that it's not allowed. Uporządnicki (talk) 18:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @AzseicsoK Your stickling is misplaced. Bazza (talk) 21:15, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bazza Maybe, but I'm not convinced. I worried that it could possibly be misunderstood, and I wanted to make it clear.  I didn't mean to stickle (I do that sometimes--unapologetically--but this time, I only meant to help.  Uporządnicki (talk) 02:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * As a practical consideration that avoids polite understatement and grammatical ambiguity, I suggest it would be better to say that such an article "will probably contain . . . etc." {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.55.125 (talk) 05:17, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @AzseicsoK There's nothing wrong with a good stickle. It's often the only way small improvements get made. We both should be proud to be pedantic practitioners of the art. Bazza (talk) 09:43, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Some time ago, reading about networking standards, I learned that may and may not are synonyms. Maybe not thought about so often, but consider: I may go to the store today. and I may not go to the store today.  Both mean the same thing! Gah4 (talk) 09:39, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It depends upon the interpretation of the word "may". You could mean "it's possible that I will go..." but then you could mean "I am permitted to go" in which case "may not" is quite distinct!  Isn't English wonderful? :-) Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:50, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Gah4 You're unlikely to find "may not" in a well-written standard. See, with RFC2616 as a well-known example of it in action. Bazza (talk) 09:55, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @AzseicsoK I agree that might may have been a better choice but the fact that may might have been OK is reassuring! The OP needs to know that the relevant policy is that WP:PROMOTION is not allowed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If your parents say "you may not go to the mall", that is much different than them saying "you may go to the mall".  Of course, that's even different  than someone saying "I may not go to the mall" or "I may go to the mall". Those two do in fact sound equivalent (although "might" is a better choice).
 * As a dabbler in grammar, I agree that saying [the article] "may not contain what the company would wish to see" sounds like a prohibition.  "Might not contain" is clearer in my opinion. David10244 (talk) 07:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Credible Source
Is IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, or other Internet Movie Databases/Review Sites credible?

BananaBreadPie12 (talk) 18:37, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * IMDb is not (read Imdb). All the other sites can be used. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 18:47, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * 'other Internet Movie Databases/Review Sites' could mean almost anything, so we cannot possibly answer that part of the question. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:03, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a bit more complicated than said. They're right about IMDb, but RSNP says: Rotten Tomatoes is considered generally reliable for its review aggregation and its news articles on film and TV. There is no consensus on whether its blog articles and critic opinion pages are generally reliable for facts. There is consensus that user reviews on Rotten Tomatoes are generally unreliable, as they are self-published sources. Reviewers tracked by Rotten Tomatoes are not automatically reliable for their reviews, while there is no consensus on whether their "Top Critics" are generally reliable. Other sites you'll have to look up at WP:RSNP, or see if they've been discussed at WP:RSN. ColinFine (talk) 19:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @ColinFine Thank you for clarifying. I hadn't noticed the "other Internet Movie Databases/Review Sites". Shoulda been more specific. Thanks to @AndyTheGrump too. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

How can we change the organization logo that appears on wikipedia page?
Our organization updated its logo a few years ago. We would like the new one on the Wikipedia page associated with our organization. How do we go about making that change? Jkpedderson1971 (talk) 20:16, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see Files For Upload. You will also need to read about conflict of interest and, if you receive any form of compensation for your role with the organization (including employment) you must make a formal paid editing disclosure, a Terms of Use requirement. 331dot (talk) 20:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jkpedderson1971 It is worth reading WP:LOGO, since it depends what type of logo is involved. Wikimedia Commons can host logos which are too simple to have any copyright restriction, while others can only be hosted on English Wikipedia at low resolution. Thanks for wanting to improve the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:57, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

How can I have 2 templates and an image on the same line?
Hi. I am trying to have 2 templates and an image on the same line on my talk page (tutnum, pyramid, wikimood). I have aligned them left, center, and right. But for some reason, the template aligned right appears in another line below. How can I have them all appear on the same line? Cheers! Thinker78 (talk) 21:32, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I fixed the issue, which was Template:Clear underneath Template:WM. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 00:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

time to publish
hi,

how long does it take from submission to publication on wiki...assuming it is approvrd 1fish2fish2018 (talk) 22:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @1fish2fish2018, currently the backlog is at 3 months. It varies, and the content of the draft will often impact how quickly it is reviewed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:50, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Is there a template/script to load the name of the user/IP currently viewing a page?
I want to change User:DarmaniLink/Userboxes/Walls to say I am in (viewing user's name) walls. How would I go about doing this? Is there a way to do this? I checked around for a bit and couldn't find much on this in the templates. I can try making a script for this, but I'm worried about that getting potentially vandalized into something malicious. DarmaniLink (talk) 23:40, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * DarmaniLink, Help:Magic_words says Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 00:42, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks :) DarmaniLink (talk) 00:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)