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For Category:Clock Designs, why is Grandfather Clock listed under L?
I mean, I think my question says it all. There is no G section in Category:Clock designs, and for whatever reason, Grandfather Clock has been listed under L. 104.157.57.223 (talk) 00:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Interesting. It looks like it's been sorted under longcase clock, but that's not a likely place to look for it. I am going to look at Talk:Grandfather clock to see if there's a reason for it, and if not, I'll move it. —C.Fred (talk) 00:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * See Categorization for the feature. If a sort key appears unconnected to the article title then the key was usually made before a move. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Tagging an uncredited translation from fr.wikipedia
Earlier today I came across the article Marie-Gabriel-Florent-Auguste de Choiseul-Gouffier. It's essentially a one-author article, created in 2007 and largely unchanged since then. It is almost completely unsourced, but the amount of specific detail and the prose style both suggested that it had been copied from somewhere else. A quick search showed that all but a single paragraph of the content had been translated (or in some places, mistranslated) from the corresponding article in French Wikipedia. I've tagged it with Template:Translated page, but I want to make sure that (a) this was the right thing to do, and (b) I applied the template correctly, especially the insertversion parameter (which if I understand correctly should point to the second big text dump on the day the article was created, which is where the copied material was first introduced). If a more experienced editor could give it a quick look, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Crawdad Blues (talk) 01:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Crawdad Blues I think you have done what is needed according to Help:Translation, which is
 * (a) Make an edit with an edit summary like:
 * (b) Optionally place the template Translated page for example   on the target article's talk page. You put it on the article page, from where it was moved by a bot.
 * I checked whether the article author needed a warning, but they have not edited since 2017.TSventon (talk) 16:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, on the talk page rather than the article page. I missed that. Thanks, TSventon. Cheers, Crawdad Blues (talk) 18:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Does this count as a personal attack?
I saw on a talk page (if anyone's wondering, here's the edit). I'm not entirely sure if that is a personal attack. Weeklyd3 (talk) 01:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * nvm, that IP has been blocked. Weeklyd3 (talk) 01:22, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * From what I see, this does meet the criteria of wp:pa. The silly edit speaks for itself; thus, my suggestion is leave it and ignore it for now.  Kind regards to all. Hu Nhu (talk) 03:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes I'd say so. More information can be found at WP:NPA. -- StarryNightSky11   ☎  03:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Multiple tabs - on Windows desktop app
Hi, I have an Android version of Wikipedia for my Samsung phone. It has multiple tabs (as a built-in feature). Sometimes I have 20 tabs open, (so I can read them later on). I would like to know if I could have multiple tabs open, when I use the Windows app, (that I have downloaded to my Window Home PC). It doesn't appear to have multiple tabs. ￼ Mpeb67 (talk) 01:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Use Ctrl + T to open a new tab on the web browser you're using on your PC and visit Wikipedia on each tab which will enable you to have multiple tabs on Wikipedia open at once, plus they are stored in your history if you don't wish to have them open 24/7, meaning they can be visited at a subsequent time. Hope this helps. StarryNightSky11   ☎  03:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I edited a stub template--problem
I tried to edit a stub template, but it's not working the way I intended. I edited Template:Azecidae-stub (a family of molluscs). The template had been feeding into Category:Gastropod stubs. But I wanted to move it to a more specific stub category--Category:Orthurethra stubs. So I edited the template to match others that are already feeding to Orthorethra stubs. Now, the stub articles that have that template show Orthurethra stub on their pages. But they do not appear on the Orthurethra stub category page. They DO still appear on the Gastropod stubs category page. Also, Azecidae does not appear at all on the page listing the stub types (I did a search for the word). Have I missed something? Or do I have to wait? Uporządnicki (talk) 02:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * In case it helps, let me add this. There are two stub articles I wanted to move.  They are Gomphroa remyi and Hypnophila.  They both already had the Azecidae stub template (which already existed, and fed to Gastropod stubs); I did not edit the article pages. Uporządnicki (talk) 02:53, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You have to wait. If a category is added by a template then a template edit is often reflected much sooner on pages using the template than on the category page. A null edit of a page with the template (not the template itself or the category page) will force an update of category pages for that specific page but there is no hurry in this case so just wait. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:33, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, so I didn't screw things up. At least not yet.  Thanks! Uporządnicki (talk) 03:53, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * And there it is! One of them, anyway.  Uporządnicki (talk) 03:57, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Uporządnicki (talk) 12:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Nominate a .css or .js for deletion
Hello. Can you tell me how to nominate CSS or JS style page for deletion? It is impossible to put a deletion template on it. Can someone remove this page: User:Alex Great/vector.css? Thanks.   Αλέξης ο Μέγας    (📢 | 📥) 06:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy deletion templates do work on CSS and JS pages. Just place db-user or db-author on it and the page will be added to speedy deletion categories which is what counts. CSS and JS pages are processed like normal wikitext pages when categories and link tables like WhatLinksHere are built. It's only the page itself which looks different. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:03, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hm. Ok, I did it. Thank you for answer.   Αλέξης ο Μέγας    (📢 | 📥) 08:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Needed Backlink
Hi, I need 3 backlink from you. Please let me know how to buy? Aileen Pascall (talk) 10:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Aileen Pascall Not going to happen. Wikipedia is not to be used for WP:PROMOTION and almost all links from articles are marked nofollow. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Clarification of DEFAULTSORT usage
So, as I understand it, the DEFAULTSORT template sets the default sort key for an article which is then used for ordering within categories, and that those sort keys do not regard accents as relevant and are also case-insensitive, according to WP:SORTCAT. However, I have found that many articles have a DEFAULTSORT template with a name that is the same as the article title except for capitalization differences (e.g. Computer engineering). What is the purpose of the DEFAULTSORT template in these situations? Or, is this just leftover cruft from previous MediaWiki software as this archive discussion alludes to? If it is just leftover, should these seemingly redundant DEFAULTSORT templates be deleted, as might be inferred from the second paragraph of Template:DEFAULTSORT? Thanks is advance! Somers-all-the-time (talk) 13:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * They are unnecessary as you say and often a leftover. I sometimes remove them when I'm editing the categories anyway but don't think we have a guideline about it. I wouldn't do it as the only change in an edit. It would just be a distraction in the page history. Removing them does have a potential future benefit if the page is moved without fixing its DEFAULTSORT. By the way, although we do have Template:DEFAULTSORT to help editors, the template should not be used.  with a colon is a magic word and not a template. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Template parameters
I am working on Template:Infobox Antigua and Barbuda place, and while there is no issue with the other parameters, I am having trouble defining the parameters for images.

When I attempt to add the template to my sandbox page, while I am able to enter data for the other parameters, I am unable to enter data for the images, image captions, as well as the place name. CROIX (talk) 16:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You have to pass on parameters like at Template:Infobox. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter
 * |captionstyle =  |  image1      =   |caption1      =   |  image2      =   |caption2      =
 * Would this be correct?
 * CROIX (talk) 03:58, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * image1 =  CROIX (talk) 04:00, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Template:Infobox has no mention of . It appears to be accepted as an alias for   but I suggest you avoid undocumented aliases. They can create confusion. You can just say   like the section I linked. I suggest you try to use Infobox settlement instead of Infobox. Jonesey95 added Category:Templates calling Infobox settlement  but it doesn't call Infobox settlement now. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:40, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I did remove the undocumented aliases, however, this still has not solved the issue.
 * @PrimeHunter CROIX (talk) 22:14, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I see no recent sandbox edits at Special:Contributions/CROIX and no transclusions at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox Antigua and Barbuda place. Show your attempted code if it doesn't work as wanted. Always do that when you ask for help. The infobox has no name parameter yet. You can add one with the code at Template:Infobox:  You can also use   but the current   makes no sense in articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * |titlestyle  =

|abovestyle  = background:#F7B2FF; |subheaderstyle = background:#F7B2FF; | name = |above       = Infobox Antigua and Barbuda place |subheader   =
 * I added a name parameter.
 * |imagestyle  =   |captionstyle =   |  image      =   |caption      =
 * This is currently the code relating to the image.
 * CROIX (talk) 23:33, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I misremembered what  does in Infobox. I have changed it to  . I know how to click Template:Infobox Antigua and Barbuda place and see the template code. It works but you should make most or all parameters optional with   instead of   and so on. I guess your issue is still: "When I attempt to add the template to my sandbox page, while I am able to enter data for the other parameters, I am unable to enter data for the images, image captions, as well as the place name". That's what I want to see. I guess you are calling it wrongly but I cannot say what is wrong without seeing it. I made a correct excample call here with the paremeters you have problems with. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:33, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * , you do not need to create this template from scratch. Instead, find one of the simpler templates at, copy its code, and modify it to suit your needs. Infobox Greece place looks relatively simple, as an example. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * , you do not need to create this template from scratch. Instead, find one of the simpler templates at, copy its code, and modify it to suit your needs. Infobox Greece place looks relatively simple, as an example. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

My page Khamekits
Hello. Could you connect my page Khamekits with russian page Хамекиты please? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:33, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I believe I have got that done, along with adding some links and some minor corrections, but as this appears to be a direct word-for-word translation of the ru.wp article, I believe there is also an issue of being sure that is properly attributed to the original author, but at the moment I don't recall exactly how to deal with that. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I added a notice on the talk page that I think satisfies the attribution requirements, for the record, in the future a link to the original article should be in the edit summary when creating the page, according to Help:Translation. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Harrassment by a Bot
Someone who has a vendetta against my brother posts negative and false information on his wikepedia page. When I go to delete it, it reverts right back. This makes me think there is a "bot" putting it up. How can I handle this? VirtuousJohn (talk) 17:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * To directly answer your question: you are not being "harassed" and there is no bot involved. You are removing what appears to be properly sourced content, and Wikipedians are reverting your edits for that simple reason. As to what you do now, you should discuss the matter at Talk:Peter Fitzhugh Brown. You should not be editing an article about your own brother as you have an obvious conflict of interest. Wikipedia works by consensus, not edit warring. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

new to editing
I've noticed that there is a lot of missing information for women's soccer in general and want to start adding information. I was going to start with adding information about players who have played professionally in the three U.S. professional leagues, since that is where I am most knowledgeable. I created a page for a player that didn't have one. I am not clear about the rules for what qualifies as notable for giving people their own pages. If there aren't sources from like ESPN are something does that mean the page won't be accepted? Woso10 (talk) 17:51, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! I've left a welcome template on your talk page with some helpful links. Notability of sportspeople is something that has generated a lot of discussion around here, Notability (sports) has a lot of information on this. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:57, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Notability criteria for sports people are at WP:NSPORT. One thing which would help when you submit your sandbox draft for review would be to change the bare URLs in your references to more complete citations. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:59, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I tweeked a few things (mostly removing spaces between periods and refs) and published it (the bare URLs were fixed). As a rule of thumb, if there is currently a category for "people would played for Team X" and the person played for Team X, then you are probably OK. WP:NSPORT doesn't have a separate section for soccer. Given that she played (at least) 5 seasons professionally in the highest tier of Women's soccer leagues in this country, IMO, she not only meets NSPORT, she vaults over it.Naraht (talk) 14:56, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Adding football team colors
Hello friends,

I am trying to set up a football team’s colors so that a player’s information box would change colors to match that team, similar to how they do with most NFL and CFL teams.

The page has existed for some time now, but I am unable to figure out how to add their colors to the database (presently, it shows the default gray and black colors when you put in the team name under the ‘current team’ section of a player’s Infobox.

If anyone could provide me with a guide on how to add team colors to the database, that would be much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taco098541 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * However you decide to proceed, bear in mind the mandatory requirements of MOS:CONTRAST. Bazza (talk) 09:52, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Policy differences between wikipedias
As per WP:CXT adding unedited machine translations is prohibited and I know they may be riddled with errors. However, it says that 1) they may be unsourced or poorly sourced and 2) they may not meet notability. Why is this? Is this because other wikipedias can have poorly sourced articles and non-notable subjects? If so, why this inconsistency between wikipedias? 26zhangi (talk) 21:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * 26zhangi, different Wikipedias develop their own policies, so en Wikipedia is likely to have articles which are poorly sourced and about non-notable subjects according to de Wikipedia policies and vice versa. Also policies change and editors sometimes ignore policy, so en and de Wikipedia will have articles which are poorly sourced and about non-notable subjects according to their own policies. TSventon (talk) 21:25, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are policy differences. That's because of a "meta-policy" of the WMF, which is that each Wikipedia is a separate project run by its own community of editors and subject only to a very few WMF overarching policies. -Arch dude (talk) 02:41, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Page says it has "multiple issues"
My page all of a sudden has multiple issues and I would just like to restore it to how it was. Please, if anyone can help me with this it would be greatly appreciated. Jrok89 (talk) 21:20, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The issues identified must be addressed. 331dot (talk) 21:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you help me address and fix them? I need serious help with this Jrok89 (talk) 21:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * What the article needs first is evidence that the subject meets Wikipedia notability criteria (specifically Notability (music)). Furthermore, I note that you refer to the article (Jared Evan) as 'my page'. If you are Evan, you need to read the Conflict of interest guideline. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:39, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have an urgent need to address this quickly? Wikipedia has no deadlines. 331dot (talk) 21:52, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Not entirely urgent, just want to make sure my article stays in good standing and is reverted to how it was. All of a sudden there are all of these issues that I am so confused about. I just want to make sure it's fixed! Jrok89 (talk) 21:53, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok I just need help understanding this better and learn to how fix the errors. Yes, I am Jared Evan and just want the article fixed. Any guidance or help would be beyond appreciated. Jrok89 (talk) 21:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The article will not be 'reverted to the way it was'. It wasn't compliant with Wikipedia policy. It still isn't. It appears that this has gone unnoticed previously, but that isn't a reason to ignore the obvious issues. Content (all of it) needs to be cited to published independent reliable sources. And it needs to be shown that such sources provide the necessary evidence to meet our notability criteria. Since you are the article subject, you shouldn't be editing it yourself, so instead I suggest you start looking for proper in-depth sourcing, and then list it all on the article talk page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:03, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Got it, thank you so much for this information. I am new to this whole thing and was completely unaware of how the community works. I will definitely no longer make edits, and if I have any suggestions for future edits, I will definitely run them by the community here first. I will start looking for and compiling proper, in-depth sources and list them on the article talk page moving forward. Thank you so much again for this insight, it is truly helpful. Jrok89 (talk) 02:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Request for a review
Hi! I don't know if this is allowed here. If not, please let me know and delete the question. So I have just made two requests to edit, which you can find here: Talk:Douglas Cumming. It's not that I am in a hurry, but if possible, can someone look at it and respond to it?

Again, if this is not allowed, please reply and delete it afterward. Thank you. Bmjc98 (talk) 21:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You may ask, but it's not likely to speed up the process, as everyone who makes an edit request would like it done quickly. Do you have a particular need for a speedy reply, more so than the other editors waiting? Note that pages like this typically archive their comments, they are not normally deleted. 331dot (talk) 21:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * All editors here are volunteers there is no guarantee that an edit request will be responded to in a time frame you desire. Can you explain why you wish for a quick response? -- StarryNightSky11   ☎  02:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Nothing in particular. I was just hoping if it was possible. But thank you for the explanation though. Bmjc98 (talk) 13:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not in a hurry, though. I was just wondering if it was possible, but thank you for letting me know. Sorry for the late response. Bmjc98 (talk) 13:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Oops, I mistyped your username. 331dot (talk) 02:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * HAHA. No problem. :) Bmjc98 (talk) 13:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Me too oops my mistake. -- StarryNightSky11   ☎  02:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No biggie. Bmjc98 (talk) 13:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)