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Really disappointed to learn what Wikipedia did to Robert Kennedy jr.'s page. s
He is unable to edit his own page 2601:6C1:580:5DF0:63CF:E7BC:C681:9973 (talk) 03:26, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * What kind of help are you asking for? 119.245.86.251 (talk) 03:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * He doesn't have a page, neither does Trump, Biden or Musk. Wikipedia has articles about them. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The subjects of Wikipedia articles can edit what's written about them as long as they do so in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies. They can also can seek assistance from others as explained here and here. However, there seems to be a strong tendency among many subjects of articles (and their representatives) to be more "not here" than "here" when it comes to Wikipedia, and many try and claim some type of ownership over article content; so, that's when they start having problems. It's for such reasons subject's of articles (and their representatives) are strongly encouraged to seek assistance via one of Wikipedia's various processes instead of directly trying edit such articles themselves, except in some very specific and limited cases. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:25, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you represent Mr. Kennedy or are you just articulating a public statement he has made? 331dot (talk) 08:28, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Once I couldn’t Even Edit My Own Page like You Robert Kennedy Jr.. I know A Friend Named Walker and His Last Name is Kennedy are You Walker’s Cousin? And is Your Dad Robert Kennedy Sr. Masonmariocart (talk) 21:56, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Two questions

 * 1) The text in the editing field has changed since yesterday, from plain black to varying colours. Why, and can I change it back to original in preferences?
 * 2) Can timestamps in signatures be changed from UTC to local time zones? --40bus (talk) 15:11, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. I'm not sure which field you're referring to, is this the Visual Editor, Modern Source editor, something else? It sounds like maybe the syntax highlighting in the old source editor but I can't quite tell.
 * In normal source editor. Yesterday is was normal. --40bus (talk) 15:26, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


 * 2. You can install this userscript. WelpThatWorked (talk) 15:21, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "varying colors?" Are different words different colors, or letters, or random?
 * As for the second one, you can just type three tildes and it won't add the date and time. That said, everything on WP is done in UTC so that everyone has the same time reference, so I would say it shouldn't really be priority. If you need a reference, you can use WP:UTC to add a clock to the top right so that you can always look at that. -  AquilaFasciata (talk &#124; contribs) 15:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * In Finnish Wikipedia, timestamps are based on local Finnish time. --40bus (talk) 15:26, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @40bus As advised, Wikipedia uses UTC but if you wish to have timestamps rendered in your local time you can do that using a checkbox on Special:Preferences Looking a this thread, for example, I see the timestamps as UTC+1 as that's how I've set my preference since I'm in the UK (British Summer Time currently). Regarding the colours, I suspect you just inadvertently hit the pen icon in the source editor (just left of the word "Advanced" in the toolbar). You could toggle it back but in my experience editing with the colours on is really helpful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:59, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

How to add our company page in wikipedia
I want to create page on Wikipedia our company Shahid.choudhary5 (talk) 16:38, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Shahid.choudhary5, you should read two pages very carefully: WP:PAID and Help:Your first article. The draft you attempted to create on your user page (which is not the right place for one) has no sources other than the company's website and does not demonstrate that your company is notable in any way.
 * Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:50, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * BOSS is another page that you might find helpful to read. ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not like social media or a company's website. Articles here are not owned by the company concerned. Once created, they can be edited by anyone, provided that person bases the information on reliable sources. As a result, the outcome might not be to the company's liking. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:54, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

what are the rules
what are the rules to write your own bio page. I see my brother page bernard pierre donnadieu. I want my own page. Donnadieu1950 (talk) 17:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Donnadieu1950, the rule is that you must be notable by Wikipedia's standards - see WP:NPERSON - and have reliable, independent, published secondary sources to prove it. I highly, highly recommend reading the following pages: WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * for the curious - a completely unsourced article, unfortunately. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Links translation (French/English)
hello,

I translate a French article to English. What can I do about links to articles in French that have no equivalent in English? Do I copy them as they are in the French version? Is there a procedure to follow in this case? F1sxo (talk) 20:02, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @F1sxo You can use the template for inter-language links ill if you judge that it is worth keeping the link in your English version of the article: to people for example. For other considerations, please read WP:TRANSLATE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Long term edit-warring over controversies section: How to handle?
A few hours ago, while I was patrolling Recent Changes, I noticed an IP edit on Tony Aquila that did nothing but remove the controversies section with no other comment, so I reverted the edit. Hours later, I noticed that a brand-new account also came by and deleted the controversy section, so I took a quick look at the page's edit history and realized that this has been ongoing back and forth for months now.

On one hand, it seems odd to me that so many people are trying to blank this section, but on the other hand, it seems odd to me that so many people are trying to keep the section on such a seemingly minor page.

What would be the proper way to deal with something like this? Is there a noticeboard or some process to get a more experienced set of eyes on the situation? mir 3 21:42, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The sources being used in the controversy section are absolutely not fit for a BLP, so until there is high quality secondary coverage it's a BLP violation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:47, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Good to know, thanks for taking a look! mir  3 22:10, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This doesn't mean that anybody's looked for the high quality secondary coverage. I see the Dallas News reporting on a feud. Card Zero  (talk) 14:01, 29 July 2023 (UTC)