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Tag missing
Hello. I noticed that this is an orphan, and I was going to use twinkle to tag it as an orphan, as there isn't a tag present. But as I went to do this, twinkle (and verification by the source) shows me that the tag is present, but isn't showing up on the article. I could probably fix this by removing the tag and readding it, but I wanted to make this aware to someone by telling them in case this is part of a larger issue. Cherrell410 (talk) 02:10, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Interesting question. I found that Orphan by default it is only visable for a couple of months, and then the tag becomes invisible but the article still shows up in the Orphan category.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Cherrell410 (talk) 02:18, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Cherrell410, this article seems to be crying out for AfD. -- Hoary (talk) 02:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed Cherrell410 (talk) 03:42, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Cherrell410, in view of the junk psychology tone and the mind-numbing repetition of "effective(ness)" --


 * Teaching As Leadership: The Highly Effective Teacher's Guide to Closing the Achievement Gap (ISBN 0470432861) is a book by Steven Farr
 * Farr and Teach For America share what the organization has learned about effective teachers [...]
 * [E]ffective teachers work with students and their families to reverse low expectations [...]
 * [E]ffective classroom leaders plan backwards with every mission they set forth on. These teachers ensure that every aspect of their work is built upon well-thought-out goals and effective strategies.
 * Strong classroom leaders are effective executors [...]
 * Continuously Increase Effectiveness to Accelerate Student Learning
 * [E]ffective teachers ensure that they are truly having an impact [...]
 * [H]ighly effective teachers go above and beyond the traditional role of “teacher” [...]


 * -- the subject of this article strikes me as mere "leadership" twaddle. I'm about to follow the article The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People in adding Category:Self-help books. (Anyone who disagrees is of course free to remove it.) The closer I look at this article the worse it seems; however, a look in Google Scholar (!) suggests that there's at least enough quasi-academic material about its subject for it to squeak through an AfD. Perhaps life's too short for me to spend mine on AfDs. If people wish to improve this article, I wish them well. -- Hoary (talk) 05:34, 26 June 2023 (UTC) reworded -- Hoary (talk) 12:03, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I wasn't trying to save the article, I just randomly came accross it and found this error. Cherrell410 (talk) 15:34, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Glossary of cricket terms
In the "T" category, under Twelfth Man, I have accidentally changed the structure (removed indentation)  of the paragraph. Please fix if you have the time. Sorry! 175.38.42.62 (talk) 08:09, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ You had removed the  from the middle of the entry without adding it to the end, and there was also a stray   ColinFine (talk) 08:34, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Need help to start merge discussions
For:
 * Dead End Kids
 * East Side Kids
 * The Bowery Boys
 * Little Tough Guys
 * .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 12:10, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * You can follow the steps on this page. - From Dents (talk) 12:16, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Editing a Wikipedia page for a living person
Three times I have been editing the page of "J. Peter Toennies". The text I added was written by Peter Toennies himself and I had added this to the authors comment. And three times this change had been eliminated. How to proceed in order to edit this Wikipedia page? Pleas send some advise! 2003:EC:9F22:E814:807B:4884:6B3:7D79 (talk) 15:32, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The article Jan Peter Toennies is a bit of a train wreck and I'm not sure that it even meets the general notability guideline in its current form. Any additions need to have reliable sourcing, and persons with a conflict of interest should avoid editing it.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The general answer is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Unless you can find an independent source for what he wants to say, it almost certainly doesn't belong in Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * IP editor. Your edit summaries on the material you tried to add included He asked me to implement this chapter, which implies that you have a conflict of interest. All material you (or Toennies himself) wish to add to the article should be proposed on its Talk Page Talk:Jan Peter Toennies, using the edit request mechanism, so that non-involved editors can see whether the new information should be added: which it won't be without reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:51, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that, who says they are the subject's secretary, was editing the article in a similar manner earlier this year. Seems to be a recurring problem. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:15, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Policy/guideline question
Is there a policy/guideline that talks about how it's easier to add an inline citation and save yourself the trouble than to not add one? Thanks in advance. Cessaune  [ talk ]   16:08, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * There's WP:BEBOLD - "Fix it yourself instead of just talking about it." - and this about tagging. Are those the kind of things you mean, @Cessaune? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:11, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes! Thank you. Cessaune   [ talk ]   16:22, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Cookie Gilchrist
Why was "Honors" (paragraph) previously indicated on the "Cookie Gilchrist" page and not "Honours" (paragraph)? JackkBrown (talk) 17:07, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is about an American person, so it should use US English spelling. See MOS:ENGVAR, specifically MOS:TIES. I have reverted your change to British English spelling. CodeTalker (talk) 17:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

If mobile?
Is there a code that automatically redirects a user to a specific page if the user is on a mobile device? 📖 (💬/📜) 21:43, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * ...is that specific page the desktop view of that page? if so, there is, try out User:Þjarkur/NeverUseMobileVersion.js. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 23:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Melecie Nope. I talking about the mobile version of the page. 📖 (💬/📜) 02:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @TheBigBookOfNaturalScience, what "specific page" do you mean? when you're in mobile, where do you want to be redirected? or do you mean the reverse of the above code: redirect to mobile view if the user is on mobile (which i believe already happens by default, even when linked to en.wikipedia.org instead of en.m.wikipedia.org)? &#128156; melecie   talk  - 13:49, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Melecie I'm trying to say that if a person is on mobile and tries to go to a page, it redirects them to a different page. 📖 (💬/📜) 17:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * TheBigBookOfNaturalScience, ...and what would that page be? "a different page" is vague. &#128156; melecie   talk  - 03:26, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're looking for a template or other code to put on a page to do what you ask, I don't know if there's anything you can do, but you CAN use &#123;&#123;If mobile&#125;&#125; to selectively show content to visitors (including soft redirects, but not normal redirects), if that's what you're looking for. OutsideNormality (talk) 02:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)