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I started a draft article about a high-profile US case law : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Georgia-Pacific_Corp._v._United_States_Plywood_Corp., which is still a good law, i.e. the controlling precedent. However, this article was not approved for posting. I am not sure, what can be done to improve it, and I would like to invite other editors, with expertise in the US Patent Law and in wiki rules to work on improving this draft. Walter Tau (talk) 01:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Walter Tau, you've been asked to provide more evidence for the "notability" of the subject of Draft:Georgia-Pacific Corp. v. United States Plywood Corp.. Rather than asking here for help/advice, it would be better to ask at WT:WikiProject Law. -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your reply. The notability is stated in the beginning:
 * According to Google Scholar on 2023-04-13, this decisions has been cited 2212 times, making it the highest cited decision of US Federal courts in 1971.
 * There must be some other issues. I may not be experienced enough to understand them, and I ask for clarification. At any rate, contributions from other editors would be very welcome. Is there a process to invite other people to work on the draft? Walter Tau (talk) 01:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Stats don't matter. It's why some YouTubers with tens of millions of subscribers get AfD'd, often with deletion. Such as SSSniperWolf. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 01:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Walter Tau: Tacking on to 's response, understand that the term notability (which I'll call wikinotability) has a distinct meaning on Wikipedia compared with elsewhere. You should find reliable sources that discuss the law in-depth. Primary sources can be helpful but they don't establish the wikinotability required. They can sometimes impede the review process when the reviewer is trying to evaluate the sources cited. If you can find three that'd really help whoever's reviewing the draft. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:15, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you for clarifying this. I misunderstood the "notability criterion". I added 3 references from law journals, that discuss this case. What would be the next step? I feel strongly, that this topic is important, and I would like to bring attention of more experiences users to make this article better. Walter Tau (talk) 01:45, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Must I repeat myself? Rather than asking here for help/advice, it would be better to ask at WT:WikiProject Law. -- Hoary (talk) 01:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no view on whether the subject is notable. But I have a comment on the draft. It doesn't start at the beginning. What had the defendant done that induced the plaintiff to sue it? Without knowing that, the rest is of no interest, at least to a non-lawyer. Maproom (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

How can I see what pages I've created under a previous username?
So I was under a previous username (Haseo9999) when I created a few pages pertaining to OS X and macOS. I have since switched to my current username.

I was looking for page creation logs and I know for a fact I created MacOS Mojave, MacOS High Sierra, and OS X Mavericks by going back in the edit history and the numerous notifications I've received from them throughout the years. The initial edit on each page only shows my current username rather than my previous one.

The page curation log only says I created MacOS Catalina. That is false.

Is this lack of data because I changed my username? Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The edit history of MacOS Mojave shows that it was created on June 4, 2018 by your current account, Urbanracer34, with an edit summary of "rough, but it's a start". Cullen328 (talk) 02:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. Thanks for responding. I know about the Mojave page is listed as created by me, but in the creation log on wikipedia it is the only one listed period. I also created MacOS Mojave, MacOS High Sierra, and OS X Mavericks under my previous username and they don't appear in the creation log. Those are the ones I'm concerned with. Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:23, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I apologize as I was wrong... MacOS Catalina is the only one in the creation log, not the others.
 * I also created MacOS Mojave, MacOS High Sierra, and OS X Mavericks under my previous username and they don't appear in the creation log. Those are the ones I'm concerned with. Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * , the first edit to MacOS High Sierra was on June 5, 2017 from your current account with a similar edit summary. If you renamed your account instead of abandoning it and registering a new account, then all of your old edits will be attributed to the current account name. Cullen328 (talk) 02:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Cullen328 Yes, my account is renamed. I just went through the Page creation log and it only shows I created MacOS Catalina. It should list the others as well. That is why I am here: Where did they go? Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:39, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Urbanracer34 I believe the page creation log (Special:Log/create) is a relatively new log type, being introduced some time after I registered in 2017. Page creations before the introduction of the page creation log are not logged. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Victor Schmidt mobil I guess that explains it. Thanks for the insight. Urbanracer34 (talk) 14:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know how the page creation logs works, but according to xtools, you have created 5 pages https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Urbanracer34 I found this by going to your contributions page and clicking the link at the bottom. RudolfRed (talk) 02:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @RudolfRed AHA! I didn't even know about this! This is exactly what I am looking for! Thank you very much!
 * I don't know why there is a disconnect between the page creation logs and xtools but there is clearly one. Hopefully they can fix it long term. Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:57, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The page creation log was created in mw:MediaWiki 1.32/wmf.7. The English Wikipedia got it 7 June 2018. You created MacOS Mojave 4 June 2018 so it missed the new log by three days. xtools has listed page creations since long before 2018. I'm not sure how they are found but it may require examining all your edits. I don't expect the page creation log will retroactively add old log entries from before the log was created so the "disconnect" is probably permanent. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:59, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter Good to know. Thanks for the insight. Urbanracer34 (talk) 16:21, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Starlight Tours article
Bring back the 'Starlight Tours' Wikipedia page. People need to know what the RCMP are doing in Canada. Thank you. 216.36.162.61 (talk) 04:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Starlight tour redirects to Saskatoon_freezing_deaths which doesn't mention the RCMP but does describe some actions by Saskatoon_Police_Service. RudolfRed (talk) 04:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * and how to get it back on Wikipedia 216.36.162.61 (talk) 04:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * And Starlight tours redirects to it also. Meters (talk) 04:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I checked, and "Starlight Tour"/"Starlight Tours" (as the IP capitalized it) weren't existing redirects. I've fixed that, so now those (plus Starlight tour and Starlight tours as mentioned above) redirect to Saskatoon freezing deaths.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contribs) 05:26, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, I was wondering what the IP was talking about, and apparently it's related to people from SPS attempting to erase the part about starlight tours... from 2012 to 2016. It's been put back in the article since then.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contribs) 05:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * on august 2016, the article starlight tours was proposed for a merge into saskatoon freezing deaths. after no objections were raised for 6 months, the merge occured.
 * if you wish to start an article on this topic again, you will need to demonstrate that the topic is notable by wikipedia's standards, by finding at least three reliable sources that cover the subject significantly, and basing the article off those. lettherebedarklight晚安 05:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Lettherebedarklight, the thing is, there's already an article on the subject... the thing is, Saskatoon freezing deaths is pretty much the same thing as "starlight tours", so I see no need to unmerge. restored original statement  Liliana UwU  (talk / contribs) 05:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * starlight tours was merged into saskatoon freezing deaths. liliana edited her message after i replied. anyway, i was giving general advice for creating an article. lettherebedarklight晚安 05:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC) (edited 05:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC))
 * Ah, makes sense why there would be this concern then. As I said in my updated message, though, the Saskatoon freezing deaths article seems to cover the starlight tour practice well enough.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contribs) 05:46, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Image placement help
Greetings, does someone more adept with image placement know how to fix this problem at TRAPPIST-1? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:46, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jo-Jo Eumerus: A simple solution would be to move the wide image to immediately under the "List of planets" section heading, giving a diagram followed by a table and orbit image.
 * You might consider replacing the wide scrollable image with scalable image (same parameters). It is less discernible but can be clicked to enlarge as normal.
 * The large "Orbit Comparison" image might be moved to the image-less "Planetary system" section, where a comparison with Solar System orbits is first mentioned. There is enough text in that section to accommodate such a large image, and would get round the "so much to show and not enough room to show it" dilemma. Bazza (talk) 09:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Category Creation Problems
I added a category which I thought already existed. So I decided to create it in a way I'm not used to. However when trying to add a parent category, I did something wrong, and now I can't work out how to move it.

This is the category I created Category:Crime in North Yorkshire

This is the category I want to make a parent category, not a page Category:Crime in Yorkshire Danstarr69 (talk) 11:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I fixed it by removing the initial colon. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Creating a new category
Hello.

I am in the process of updating The Twentieth Century Society article and would like to create a category for all the buildings that have featured on their Risk List - there are 30 articles that would fit the category so far, with 10 more buildings added every two years.

I am thinking the name would be C20s Risk List but I am not sure what parent category to use. The closest equivalent I can find is Category:Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland but that seems to link to the article Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland.

Could I do the same? Have Category:C20s Risk List refer to The Twentieth Century Society?

I've not done this aspect of editing before, so would appreciate any pointers. Thank you in advance!

BJCHK (talk) 12:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * BJCHK, any new category should correspond to a defining characteristic of the articles in it, see WP:CATDEF. The category could be called Category:Structures on the The Twentieth Century Society Risk List or Category:The Twentieth Century Society Risk List. Category:Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland and Category:Structures on the Heritage at Risk register are similar, presumably Category:Buildings on the Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland was rejected as repetitive. There is also a disambiguation page, Buildings at Risk Register. The category name should match the main article name, rather than using an abbreviation. One parent category would be Category:Heritage registers in the United Kingdom. The text of the category page could refer to The Twentieth Century Society. TSventon (talk) 12:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much @TSventon! Incredibly helpful. I'll get on that now BJCHK (talk) 03:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Torta Barozzi
Can anyone help me improve this page? It doesn't look good at all. JackkBrown (talk) 13:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @JackkBrown: Hi there! I added WikiProjects to the article talk page.  I suggest reaching out to the editors in those WikiProjects for assistance.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:34, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

how to post article on wikpedia
how to post article Prince Smarty (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Prince Smarty: See WP:YFA. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Prince Smarty. I observe that every single edit you have made appears to be an attempt to promote yourself or your website. Please note that, unlike most places on the Internet, Wikipedia is not for promotion, and attempts to use it in this way are usually unsuccessful, and can be frustrating and disappointing for the editor trying to do it.
 * If you or your website meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - which basically means that several people wholly unconnected with you have chosen to write at length about you/your website, and been published in reliable sources - then there could be an article about you or your website.
 * Such an article would not belong to you, or be controlled by you. You are permitted to try and create it yourself, but you are likely to find it very hard, because you will have to forget most of what you know about the subject and write only from what those sources say (even if you very much dislike what those sources say).
 * Tenryuu has pointed you at your first article, and that is a good place to start. But I suggest you also read WP:NOTPROMO (already linked above) WP:PROUD, and WP:BACKWARD. ColinFine (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Need help italicizing title of new article
I just created an article Slavery and Slaving in World History: A Bibliography and need help italicizing its title which is the title of a published book. The article hasn't been reviewed yet, but it should pass the "muster" as a stub. I'd appreciate advice or help from a more experienced editor on adding italics to the title. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 19:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ DonIago (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Perfect. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 19:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Paola Cortellesi
I'm considering whether the Italian language page dedicated to Paola Cortellesi is valid in terms of sources and information; is there any gossip information? I have not found any. JackkBrown (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Your question is unclear. You ask about the Italian language article but link to the English Wikipedia.  Are you asking about it:Paola_Cortellesi?  RudolfRed (talk) 22:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * no, I'm asking if it's possible to proceed with the notice of expansion of the article in en.wiki; I'm not sure that the sources in the corresponding page in Italian language are completely reliable. JackkBrown (talk) 22:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There is no Expand Italian on Paola Cortellesi, at least as far as I can see. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  00:01, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I meant whether it's correct to add this template. JackkBrown (talk) 01:08, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case, I think only include it if you're sure there's information that meets English sourcing requirements in the Italian article that is not in the English article. Whoever translates it can make the determination from there about what content is acceptable to add. If you don't think there's (much) material in there that can be added, it's probably not worth adding the template. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  04:52, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

"Personal life"
Why is it that on the page "Riccardo Rossi (voice actor)" the paragraph "Personal life" is a subsection of the paragraph "Biography", while on the page "Laura Boccanera" the paragraph "Personal life" is not a subsection of the paragraph "Biography" and is after the paragraph "Dubbing roles"? JackkBrown (talk) 21:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Because different editors made different choices about article structure, . Cullen328 (talk) 21:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Mario Magnotta
Why are there blasphemies (insults towards God) on Wikipedia? Mario Magnotta; paragraph: "Prank calls". JackkBrown (talk) 22:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not censored for any reason. 331dot (talk) 22:22, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * As an aside, paragraphs and sections are very different things. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:36, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Content disclaimer. And "someone thought it was a good idea to put it there." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Prank calls are blasphemous? In which religion? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:54, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I think is referring to the quoted "Porco Dio" and its English translation. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:00, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Dark mode
Is there a possibility of implementing a dark mode feature? 2600:4040:5032:1D00:1D3E:7F9A:EFF3:E0A1 (talk) 23:40, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes - see WP:Dark mode. GoingBatty (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC)