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Missing preview text
When I hover over St Cyprian's Church, Sneinton, Holy Trinity Church, Winchester or All Saints' Church, Godshill, I get a pop-up with an image from the article's infobox, but no text. The articles have a single-sentence lede paragraph. I cannot see anything about them that might make them unsuitable for previewing. What is happening? (I was looking through Category:Anglo-Catholic churches in England receiving AEO - every other church article produces text in the preview box, except Church of St Saviour-on-the-Cliff, Shanklin which gives an error.) -- Verbarson talkedits 10:41, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Verbarson - I get text in all of them, and text and an image for Church of St Saviour-on-the-Cliff, Shanklin rather than an error. I am using Vector legacy on MS Edge on Windows 10. Which Wikipedia "skin" and which browser are you using? - Arjayay (talk) 10:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Vector 2022, running on MS Edge Version 114.0.1823.41 (Official build) (64-bit) on Windows 10. -- Verbarson talkedits 10:57, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see text in any of them. I'm running Chrome Version 113.0.5672.129 (Official Build) (64-bit) on Windows 11. Maproom (talk) 12:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This is Village pump (technical). It happens when coord is used in the lead outside an infobox. Don't fix it by removing coord). Just wait for the general issue to be fixed. The problem is in the default feature "Enable page previews" at Special:Preferences. I assume Arjayay has instead enabled "Navigation popups" at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Correct assumption, PrimeHunter - Arjayay (talk) 12:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * As mentioned in the VPT thread, moving coord to the bottom may fix it. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 14:09, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Changing Category:Historic German cabinets
One of the entries in the category above is Second Müller cabinet, which links to 'Hermann Müller (politician)#Cabinet June 1928 – March 1930'. I will shortly be adding a new page 'Second Müller cabinet'. How do I change the link in the category to point to the new page?

GHStPaulMN (talk) 14:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Click "Redirected from Second Müller cabinet" at the top of Second Müller cabinet and then edit to replace the redirect with an article. See more at Help:Redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Image I uploaded back in 2006 is currently unlisted in Commons, would like to approve it's use
Hi, I used to edit and upload my photos to Wikipedia back in 2006/2007. The below link is of one of my photos that ended up being taken out of commons I believe due to the license I originally used. I am happy for the photo to be used commercially with attribution as the only requirement.

As it has been over a decade since I edited Wikipedia, I have no idea how to do this, I also can't seem to recover the old account I registered under, even though I believe it's the same email address as this hasn't changed.

Is someone able to advise how I could switch the licence on this image and put it back into commons so others can make use of it?

See notes in the image area for more info.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Calder_Park_V8supercars_1997.jpg MotorsportArchives (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Do you work for a motorsport archive? Usernames cannot be that of an organization. 331dot (talk) 15:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No problems I will swap it, it's not a company just the name of my personal website for motorsport archives. MotorsportArchives (talk) 05:28, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . It's not clear what you're aaking about. Are you saying you uploaded File:Calder Park V8supercars 1997.jpg the file to Commons, but that the file was subsequently deleted. Are you saying that you would like the file to be uploaded to Commons. FWIW, the way the file is currently licensed is acceptable for Commons' purposes (i.e. it allows unrestricted commerical and derivative re-use) and the file has been tagged for a move to Commons; so, eventually that's where it's probably going to end up. Strictly speaking, only the copyright holder should really change a license since only the copyright holder can release their work under a copyright license of their choosing. Anyone can change the license template syntax used for the file, but it should only be ideally be done with copyright holder consent. If you're no longer able to access the account that you used to upload the file, you might want to try sending an email to Wikipedia VRT and explain what you want to do and why. VRT might also tell you how you can verify that you're the copyright holder of the photo and just forgot your old account's password. If VRT verifies your copyright ownership, a VRT member will change the license if necessary. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:46, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marchjuly Hi, I just changed my account name to this from MotorsportArchives, Yeah I am the copyright holder and would like to release it for commercial use and also move to commons. I will try to message Wikipedia VRT and see if they can help. Thank you for your advice VirtualR1984 (talk) 07:22, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Searching refs?
hi all, is there a way of just searching the refences of an article rather than the whole? I.e., a way of finding out if a work has been previously cited rather than including other articles? If you know what I mean :)    SN54129  15:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm not certain I understand correctly, but I think you're asking if you can search the list of references in a particular article for the title of that reference. If so, you can simply use your web browser's find tool (typically opened with CTRL + F) and type the title of the source into that box. If I've misunderstood your question, please do let me know. Tollens (talk) 16:01, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply, no, but its my fault, I think, for being extremely vague! What I meant was, is it possible—I guess using the main search bar—to limit results to those found in article reference sections. So I could for example search for  and limit the results to where Ms Christie is cited, rather than a combination of articles about her, bodies or libraries...? Am I any clearer?(I suspect not!)   SN54129  11:10, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm still not 100% sure this is what you're asking, but it seems like you want to be able to make a web search (such as one made on Google) that limits results to Wikipedia articles that cite a specific source? I don't know of any way to do this reliably (although that certainly doesn't mean there isn't a way) - I know you can search something like Christie, Agatha The Body in the Library site:en.wikipedia.org, which will limit results to Wikipedia articles, or you can use the Wikipedia search bar (which obviously limits results to Wikipedia articles), but I don't believe either has a function to only search references sections. The one thing I can think of that might work is formatting your search term in exactly the same way as it would appear in a references section - with cite book for the example you provide this would be Christie, Agatha (1942). The Body in the Library. - you could place that entire search term in quotation marks (eg. "Christie, Agatha (1942). The Body in the Library." and search in the Wikipedia search bar. This would, however, only show you results that are formatted exactly that way, so if someone was to incorrectly format their reference it wouldn't work. If you had already found one article that cited the work you want to search for, you could copy the reference (or parts of it) and do the same thing to make sure that your formatting of the search is correct. Tollens (talk) 15:16, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think you've nailed it with your last suggestion. That's probably the only way to do it, but it's a good idea about the formatting etc, and there are only so many popular variations, so it might not be too hard (*gulp*!). Thanks for your help and for sticking with me, though—cheers!  SN54129  15:37, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Help! I created an alternate account by accident
I made another account by accident. I know the rule is one account per editor with some exceptions that I don't meet. How do I delete it? Blitzfan51  speak to the manager  16:28, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The rule is a bit more nuanced than that. We can't delete accounts, so you can either: leave the account alone and forget about it, or, claim the account and mark it as an 'alt' (that should preferably be done by both accounts). The account can also request that it be blocked, but honestly that's rarely a good use of time. Simple solution: forget about it. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:41, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ok, Thank you for your time. Blitzfan51   speak to the manager  16:44, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

List of all Wikipedia pages I've added references to?
I already asked this in Tea House but I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask this here too.

Is there a way to get a list of Wikipedia pages I've added references to? I plan to do upkeep for all the sources I use for my Wikipedia contributions. Like sometimes there's better quality scans that become available for gaming magazines that I cite which I want to update the Wikipedia articles with in a straightforward way. AlphaRex1984 (talk) 17:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I am not aware of any built-in mechanism that would return that information. A custom script or bot may be able to do so. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:25, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, I might make such a script if I have the time. AlphaRex1984 (talk) 15:47, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You've currently only edited 97 different pages, so for now at least, it'd probably be faster to go through them manually to check which ones you've added refs to. —Cryptic 16:55, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

what is Category:People of Nazi Germany for?
does Category:People of Nazi Germany have to be nazis or just people who lived in nazi germany when it existed? Sebbog13 (talk) 17:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Just looking at the names of the subcategories, the category includes non-Nazis. -Arch dude (talk) 17:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * okay Sebbog13 (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Displaying more than 10 connected IPs and users
At Talk:Libreboot there are over 10 connected IPs and users, but only the first 10 are displayed. Is there a way to make more than 10 display? Thanks. -- Yae4 (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No, that is not possible. According to the documentation of Connected_contributor, This template is capable of listing up to 10 editors.   RudolfRed (talk) 18:30, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Yae4: I split the Connected contributor template into two templates, so all 12 IPs/usernames are displayed. GoingBatty (talk) 18:58, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There's always a trick. Thanks! -- Yae4 (talk) 19:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Updating Our Logo
I am trying to upload a new image for my organization's logo on the template, which shows the old one. I am getting an error message about acceptable files. Looking for direction on how to make this update. VCFDPIO (talk) 18:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * First, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. Your username also seems to represent your position and not you personally(if "PIO"= "Public information officer"), if so, you will need to create a new username.
 * New accounts cannot directly upload images, please see Files For Upload for further guidance. 331dot (talk) 18:52, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @VCFDPIO: Hi there! After making your disclosure, you can post an edit request on the article's talk page asking for help uploading the new logo (i.e. downloading the logo from the company web site and uploading the file to Wikipedia as a non-free file). GoingBatty (talk) 18:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Consensus for an edit request
Hello,

I was wondering what would happen in this consensus discussion? Nobody gave any peer-review, so would that make it a no consensus? In that case, does the edit request need to be implemented or not? Cocobb8 (talk) 18:50, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Creating a page for my Start up here in NYC
Hello, I'm looking for help creating my very first wikipedia page. I began a start up this year with two friends, and this is our first time going into business selling handcrafted pieces we make, and I wrote up a wikipedia page talking about our business House of Douse, LLC. Since it is new, I have no other press, or references to contribute at the end. It's just for providing information on our business and what we make.

How can I get approved without adding any references in my circumstance?

Thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time. -Victor Pleacoff TheComedian7 (talk) 19:09, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Based on what you have said, your business is not notable and therefore not eligible for a Wikipedia article. Please read Notability (organizations and companies). Cullen328 (talk) 19:14, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "Providing information on our business and what we make" is exactly what you should do on your business' website and social media, not Wikipedia. Wikipedia is interested in what others say about your business on their own and not based on materials from the business, not what it says about itself. 331dot (talk) 19:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Evidence of COI editing by a company: where do I report?
Hello, I have managed to find evidence of an edit done by a company on their own Wikipedia page (the edit is a removal of a Template:AD that I had put on the article). Where does one report this to?

Signed, WikipeidaNeko (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Report the matter at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. The shortcut is WP:COIN. Cullen328 (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * A random IP removing the template you added to Mity-Lite could just be a random IP and not anyone with a COI. Simply based on that one edit, you're unlikely going to get any action at WP:COIN. Moreover, when you added the template, you didn't really leave an edit summary explaining why. So, it's quite possible your edit was mistaken for random tagging. If you feel the article needs to be tagged with AD because it's worded like an advertisement, then it's perfectly OK for you to try and fix that problem yourself. If you're unwilling or unable to do so yourself, then perhaps at least briefly explain why you're adding the tag an edit summary when you add it. You can also go into a little more detail on the article's talk page if you want to make it clearer to other what you think the problem is. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:35, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn’t even know random tagging was an option, but I can prove that the IP is connected to Mity-Lite. WikipeidaNeko (talk) 22:13, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * In principle, anyone can add a maintenance template to an article and anyone can subsequently remove it. In both cases, it's extremely helpful when the person doing either clearly explains why and just doesn't assume it readon is obvious. As for proving a COI, you should be very careful and make sure to not violate WP:OUTING when trying to do so. Connecting a specfic IP address with a real world person is generally strongly frowned upon by Wikipedia. COI editing is highly discouraged because it can lead to serious problems, but it's not prohitted by Wikipedia policy. So, be careful about what real world information you post about any Wikipedia user on Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:53, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The IP is not linked to a person. WHOIS showed that it was a company IP address linked to the company. WikipeidaNeko (talk) 22:56, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Even in that case, this is still only about two edits at the moment, which is not really something worth going to COIN about. You can simply re-add the template (which is what you did) and then leave a Template:Welcome-COI message on the IP's user talk to let them know about relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines if you want. If the IP comes back and continues to remove the AD template, then seeking assistance at COIN or WP:ANI is probably necessary, but an administrator is unlikely to do anything after only two edits by the IP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:13, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I’ll do that soon then. Thanks for the help and explanation on what I should do! WikipeidaNeko (talk) 23:27, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Mathml Error in it wiki
It:Passeggiata aleatoria. Hello. Does anyone have an explanation? Thanks a lot. Kind regards Pierpao (talk) 20:40, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . This is the Help Desk for English Wikipedia. It's generally better to ask questions about stuff on other language Wikipedias at their respective Help Desk. The Help Desk for Italian Wikipedia is it:Aiuto:Sportello informazioni. You could also try asking on the Italian Wikipedia article's talk page at it:Discussione:Passeggiata aleatoria. Some general advice, a problem like this is probably a syntax error of some kind. In such cases, using the article's page history to try and find the edit where the error was introduced often helps. If you can find that error, you can compare it to the previous edit where things were OK and possible see what the error is. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * All  appear to be broken at the Italian Wikipedia. See T338381 for a similar report about Wikidata. It probably affects all Wikimedia wikis which got the new MediaWiki 1.41.0-wmf.12 today 7 June: mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap. The English Wikipedia is scheduled tomorrow but I guess it will be delayed if this bug is not fixed. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Pierpao (talk) 01:38, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It has been fixed so I guess we do get the new version later today. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:38, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't love Wikipedia anymore. You changed the format
You changed the format of Wikipedia and I cannot find a place to ask a few questions. While I was looking for a window to entry my question I forgot the question I wanted to ask. You've made horrible, inconvenient changes. AboutFace 22 (talk) 21:14, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @AboutFace 22 under "Preferences" at the top will be an option somewhere to revert to the old format if you would like. I believe under "Appearance" or "Editing" will be what you are looking for. I hope this answers your question, but if not, someone else could give better advice. Losipov (talk) 21:24, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The skin("format") of Wikipedia was changed recently, after many years of development, focus groups, and study. See WP:VECTOR2022 for more information.  It's difficult to design a website layout acceptable to all 8 billion humans on this planet, so users can retain the old appearnce in their account preferences. 331dot (talk) 21:28, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @AboutFace 22: This change has been implemented for a few months already. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Spam-Blacklist
I was trying to comment on an AfC submission. I gave a link to Wikitia in the comment to give context to other reviewers. Then I guess Wikipedia thought that I am a spammer hacker maliciously linking to a malicious website and then my whole comment was deleted and not saved in history. So why is this? I shouldn't have to substitute it for a word or circumvent the URL detector. After all, how would one link to a blacklisted website when reporting a copyright violation? Maybe extended confirmed users should be assumed to not be spammers. Thank you -  Ap m  h  22:40, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Spamming is only one of several possible reasons for blacklisting a site. Administrators are also unable to save links to blacklisted sites. It would be impractical if there were links which could only be saved by some users so others would be unable to archive or move posts with the link, revert to a version which had the link, and so on. You can place the link in . It will not be clickable but most users know how to copy-paste a url to the address bar in their browser. Please update all links in your signature to your current username. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:42, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Magda László
On this page, I have added the "template unreferenced", but within this template it's indicated "sources" and not "references" (I know that in this case "sources" and "references" mean the same thing); on the page there is already the "Sources" paragraph; I would not want readers to get confused. JackkBrown (talk) 23:36, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * JackkBrown, I have added Template:No footnotes as there is a list of sources, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations. TSventon (talk) 23:53, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * JackkBrown, in future, in order to decide which is the most appropriate template to attach to a sentence, a section, or an entire article (or other page), consult Template index. -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 8 June 2023 (UTC)