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Changing a picture
What are the rules on changing pictures? For example, I want to change Devante Adams picture from a Green Bay Packers to a Las Vegas Raiders. What picture can I use? Btdellis2729 (talk) 02:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Btdellis2729, if there is a more descriptive photo for Devante Adams, and it is Creative Commons compatible, then you can upload it and change the image. See commons:COM:LICENSE for a description of what would be acceptable. Most random images online are not acceptable, but photos you took yourself are. In the case of Devante Adams, someone uploaded the photo to flickr under a CC license. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 02:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * hi
 * @Sungodtemple
 * @Btdellis2729
 * 2604:3D09:1183:DD00:D0C9:83A5:5DE9:6826 (talk) 22:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

"Edit summary search"
Hello. How can I, by searching for keywords in the "Edit summary search" option, review all my changes for that or those keywords? I could only find a few results via the filter. JackkBrown (talk) 02:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi JackkBrown. Are you using this tool? I'm able to get 500 results at a time for a given search. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * yes, but I am on a mobile device and cannot view more than 50 changes at most. JackkBrown (talk) 03:41, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry JackkBrown. I'm not able to reproduce that issue. Using iOS's Firefox app, I'm still getting up to 500 results per page. Do you have a "Next 50 results" button at the bottom at least? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have the "next 500 results" button, but I still only display a few dozen changes; for example, if I enter "MOS:CAPTIONS" as a keyword and click on the button (I have made over 1,500 changes by indicating this word in the description), it takes me to another screen where I can display another dozen changes, but nothing more. JackkBrown (talk) 03:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Damn! I tried that search on my mobile device and did get a large number of results. Is it possible for you to try another browser on your mobile device? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:02, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I will try. I would like to take this opportunity to ask whether a sentence like this: > "Orestes at Delphi". Painting of two naked males, ca. 330 BC. <, is correct according to MOS:CAPTIONS. In my opinion yes, because since there is a full stop, the full stop should also be added at the end; this part is not well explained in the rules. Am I right, or not? JackkBrown (talk) 04:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the guidance is not iron-clad on cases like that, but the spirit of the guideline is "don't use full stops for sentence fragments". My response would probably be to rewrite the caption as either a single sentence fragment with no full stop or a full sentence ended with a period. You could do or  Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ok, so in case there is already a full stop ("Orestes at Delphi".) (full stop after "Deplhi"), it is not incorrect to add another one as a "closing" to the caption (Painting of two naked males, ca. 330 BC.) (full stop after "BC"); I understood this from what you wrote, I hope I got it right. JackkBrown (talk) 04:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Not quite what I was saying but I don't totally disagree. Here's my hierarchy of preferences:
 * Rewrite so no full stop is needed:
 * Rewrite with full sentence(s) and full stop(s):
 * Violate the spirit of MOS:CAPTION, where doing otherwise is maybe impossible or awkward:
 * Violate both the spirit and the letter of MOS:CAPTION (note the lack of a final full stop):
 * I don't think #3 is a disaster, but it's better than #4. If you get to a point where you have to end some sentence fragments with full stops, better to go all in. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * can comments be saved, without necessarily having to take a screenshot? What you wrote is very, very useful for what I'm doing, thank you very much! JackkBrown (talk) 04:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I posted it at your user talk page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:02, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @JackkBrown: If you're changing the caption, note MOS:CIRCA's preference for using circa rather than "ca."; c. 330 BC will provide the full formatting for your article: c. 330 BC Bazza (talk) 09:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

How to Edit the Article?
My article is keep on Reverting despite providing valuable information and source of the content. Aryan2866 (talk) 04:50, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Your additions to articles keep on being reverted,, because they refer the reader to a website with the domain name statsfact.com. A glance at the website suggests that its content is money, gossip, and tits. Adding references to it doesn't obviously benefit the readers of Wikipedia; there's a suspicion that you're adding them in order to benefit statsfact.com. You're welcome to go to WP:RSN and argue for the reliability of statsfact.com; but I suspect that this would be an uphill struggle. -- Hoary (talk) 05:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, by the way, you tagged each of your edits as "minor", which they ain't. A "minor" edit is technical and uncontroversial, such as correcting punctuation or format. —Tamfang (talk) 22:42, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

newspapers.com reference url and wikipedia library url
Greetings from Sunny Melbourne Australia,

I am working outside and enjoying the autumn sunshine 23 degrees. :-). Yes I am skiting but not for long as the brisk Melbourne"winter is coming"

So, Is there a way around having to maually change a wikipedia reference url from (say) https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/399777850/ to a wikipedeia library url https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/image/399777850/. Apologies if this should me raised on meta or phab, but I couldn't work out the correct place! Thanks. Wakelamp d&#91;@-@&#93;b (talk) 05:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Wakelamp. This may not answer your question, but FYI, neither of those links are ideal in a Wikipedia article. Per Newspapers.com, we prefer to clip the articles and link the clip url. Assuming you want the Transformers review, you could use this link, which allows everyone to see a lower quality clipping of the piece. I did have to clip it manually, and I don't think there's any other way. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Whatever you do, use the https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/... url in wikipedia articles.  Those urls do not lead readers (who won't have access to the wikipedia library) to the source.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Penal Code (Turkey)
This paragraph needs to be completely fixed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_nationalism#/editor/9; I would do it myself, quietly, but the texts of the articles of the Penal Code of the States are not sure if they should be put in italics. JackkBrown (talk) 06:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Which paragraph? Ruslik_ Zero 07:02, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ==The "Insulting Turkishness" laws==. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_nationalism. JackkBrown (talk) 12:07, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Mobile section edit links like ...#/editor/9 only work for users of the mobile version. Most editors use the desktop version and are taken to the top of the page with no indication of the section unless they guess it from the number in the url. It's much better to click the section in the table of contents and post the resulting url, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_nationalism#The_%22Insulting_Turkishness%22_laws. The best is a wikilink like Turkish nationalism but it requires a little more work. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Expanding articles on Cameras
Hi everyone! I was thinking about how I might continue to contribute to Wikipedia, and I found that there are a lot of articles on cameras that seem quite lackluster. Consider for example Sony α7R V, Canon EOS R6, or the lack of an article on the Canon EOS R6M2. To be clear, I do not have a conflict of interest in expanding these articles, it's just a personal interest of mine that I'd like to put to use here.

However, I'm a little worried about notability and undue weight. It's quite a specific field, and there are a LOT of different camera models, so I want to avoid e.g. giving undue weight to a certain model by editing its article when all the articles on camera models are extremely brief.

Let me know your thoughts, please :)) Actualcpscm (talk) 10:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The nature of this volunteer project is that people work on what they want, when they want, when they have time to do it. Due to this, articles are quite often not similar in structure and size, even within the same field of topics.  Undue weight only applies to information within an article, not to one article having more coverage than another because someone chose to write about one topic and not another. 331dot (talk) 10:43, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll add, if you want to contribute about cameras, you aren't expected to make every article on every model of camera roughly the same size. We appreciate everything and anything that you do, even if it's just one article at a time or one article period. 331dot (talk) 10:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Actualcpscm: See also WP:NPRODUCT. GoingBatty (talk) 13:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sometimes you can find other editors to collaborate with, often by finding an appropriate Wikiproject. Cameras are not in my area, but you might start by asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts to see if that is the right place, or if someone there can point you to the right place, or if you want to start a separate sub-project. You and others can then discuss what an ideal camera article would look like, and decide on how to identify and evolve the camera articles to this standard. If you prefer to simply work alone with no project structure, that's fine too. There is no deadline and any improvement you make will be appreciated. -Arch dude (talk) 14:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Overlap between articles
Two closely-linked articles describing current events in Israel are being developed in parallel. The main article is 2023 Israeli judicial reform and a closely-related article is 2023 Israeli anti-judicial reform protests. Hitherto, the latter has been used to describe street protests only, while all other kinds of protests have been described in the main article, in section. Recently, two items were added to the "protests" article, describing military service refusals. These and other military service refusals are already covered in the main article. I have removed them from the "protests" article, explaining to the two editors where to find (and edit) that kind of content. In the subsequent discussion at Talk:2023 Israeli anti-judicial reform protests, a disagreement has arisen as to whether it is useful to describe the same events in two articles. Are there Wikipedia guidelines covering this kind of thing? Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 18:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Company split and page needs updating
Hi - How do I make edits to a company's page? The company recently went through a split and the company description on the wikipedia page is not correct now. Every time I try to make a change on the page, the page is reverted back by another user. Any guidance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Atalmadge (talk) 19:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Collabera: What company? And how do you know it has split? Bazza (talk) 19:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * We prefer the term "article" as opposed to the broader "page". I'm wondering if you are associated with this company- if so, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing(which includes employment) for information on required formal disclosures.
 * What is it exactly that you want to do on the article? 331dot (talk) 19:41, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This is about Collabera. , your first edit removed well-referenced content, your second added unreferenced promotional twaddle. Neither had an edit summary. You should expect such edits to be reverted. If you want to remove  content, give your reasons, in an edit summary, on the article's talk page, or both. If you want to add content, write it in neutral language and cite a source, Maproom (talk) 19:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I am an employee of the company and we announced the split of Collabera Inc. into Ascendion and Collabera, LLC. (see ignitingourevolution.com/). How do we reflect changes to our information so that it is accurate if employees of the company cannot make edits? Atalmadge (talk) 20:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * First, please make the required paid editing disclosure on your user page(User:Atalmadge). This is a Terms of Use requirement.
 * You are permitted to make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, Talk:Collabera, detailing changes you feel are needed. 331dot (talk) 20:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Sort key not working
I'm trying to sort Category:Assassinated politicians by nationality so it appears under N in the Category:Assassinated politicians by nationality Category:Assassinated politicians. For some reason it is not working. Compare with such sorting of Category:Assassinated politicians by continent, which is working. Help. Thinker78 (talk) 22:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thinker78, I assume you want to sort Category:Assassinated politicians by nationality so it appears under N in the Category:Assassinated politicians. I have removed the sort key following Category:Assassinated politicians to make that happen. TSventon (talk) 23:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that sort key. Thanks! Thinker78  (talk) 00:56, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that sort key. Thanks! Thinker78  (talk) 00:56, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thinker78, sort keys are explained at WP:SORTKEY. I don't think that Category:Assassinated politicians by nationality needs a default sort as it is included in three categories and they all need a different sort Category:Assassinated people by nationality is sorted by "Politicians", Category:Assassinated politicians is sorted by "Nationality" and Category:Politicians by nationality should be sorted by "Assassinated". TSventon (talk) 14:38, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Two Factor Authentication Setting
Hi. Can anyone confirm if there are any two-factor authentication settings here I can turn on for my account? Fabonikazell (talk) 23:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * There are, but it's deliberately hidden away to make sure you know what you're doing. See Help:Two-factor authentication, particularly the second paragraph. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Basically you can't have 2FA if you are an ordinary user. 2FA is at best experimental.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 08:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ianmacm The linked section says it a bit differently:  "If you are not in one of these groups, you need to submit a request at m:Steward requests/Global permissions#Requests for 2 Factor Auth tester permissions to obtain access to 2FA (see request examples). Most users need to request access before they can use 2FA." David10244 (talk) 07:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)