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content translation
I am attempting to translate an Arabic wiki page to english with the translator but I keep running into "Translation services not available for the selected languages". Arabic is cleary a supported language so I don't know what is going wrong. you can translate it here PalauanReich (talk) 00:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It refers to machine translation which is disabled at the English Wikipedia for quality reasons. It is therefore not available for any language. You should still be able to start manually from empty paragraphs or by first copying the original Arabic text. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , please read Translation. You need to have a reasonable level of competency in both languages, and you also need to be sure that the translation complies with the relevant Policies and guidelines, especially that the references transferred over actually verify the content. And for important legal reasons, you need to be sure that you have properly attributed the translation to the source article. Cullen328 (talk) 03:11, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Good to know, thanks PalauanReich (talk) 14:06, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Editing|Sandbox


I was wondering if I could get some help from someone. I was trying to create a page (I rarely edit wiki) but when I didn't have enough info, the subject of the article wasn't "notable" and when I added too much, the article "read like an advertisement." I am tying to find that balance of notability without coming off like an advert. I think the time has nearly past where the draft will be removed from my sandbox. Thank you for any advice! Bequebmemory (talk) 03:33, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * One thing that might be helpful: the article should not contain any 'value judgements' or 'descriptions of quality' written in Wikipedia's voice, so to speak. So if the subject is a scientist, phrases like '. . .he published an influential paper . . .' or 'he made a groundbreaking proposal . . .', etc., would be non-neutral and sound promotional or like advertising – negative descriptions would be just as bad. Such terminology could only be included as a cited direct quote: see PEACOCK and WP:NPOV. As a test, take any adjective, etc. in your draft that describes a quality of the subject or their work, and substitute one meaning the opposite. If it makes you wince, the original adjective was probably peacock; if it merely seems incorrect, the original was probably OK in non-promotional terms. {The poster formerly known a 87.81.30.195} 90.205.101.197 (talk) 04:34, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bequebmemory: It looks like you're approaching this from the wrong direction by trying to make your subject notable after you've written about it. Have a read of WP:BACKWARD. Bazza (talk) 11:31, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It might help to realise that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If you find yourself writing anything about the subject that the subject or their associates have said, stop and ask yourself whether that is neutral. ColinFine (talk) 11:45, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Unless the articles listed on Harth's press site are all trivial mentions establishing notability should not be hard. One thing that stands out to me in the draft as it currently stands is that it lists some projects without giving any information as to why they are important or noteworthy. Adding a sentence or two to each about its reception would probably help. If there are reliable sources for it information about the reception of the artist himself would also improve the article. I mean things like is he controversial, is he influential, is he held in high regard, are his works expensive, are they displayed in notable museums, etc. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 00:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Biography
Hi, After my page was accepted and published in the Hebrew Wikipedia - I would like your assistance with the English version. In fact, I wrote the entire biography in English, following all the remarks I received with the Hebrew one. So, your assistance please. How do I start? Shall I upload it ? Thank you very much. Dan Gaton MD פרופ. דני געתון (talk) 09:36, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:TRANSLATE for guidance. As different language versions of Wikipedia have different standards and policies, it's probably a good idea to run a translated article through the Articles for Creation process. 331dot (talk) 09:45, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, פרופ. דני געתון . A couple of things I notice about he:דני געתון: first, it has not a single inline citation. That is not acceptable for an article in English Wikipedia, especially for a biography of a living person. Secondly, it does not appear to have any sources independent of Gatton. That means that it is incapable of establishing that Gatton meets English Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and will not be accepted here without a complete rewrite based on such independent sources. Thirdly, judging from your user name, you are Danny Gatton. Autobiography is strongly discouraged in English Wikipedia, and if you choose to try it, you must use the Articles for creation process. ColinFine (talk) 11:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Article Submission
Exactly how does one go about submitting sn article for inclusion on Wikipedia? The article in mind is about a renowned academician who is mentioned in various wikipedia articles but whose bio isn't available. Seems an injustice. Thank you 74.98.241.237 (talk) 13:36, 28 March 2023 (UTC)


 * If you are talking about Articles for Creation, see WP:AFC. Writing an article is one of the hardest tasks you can try on Wikipedia. See WP:YFA for not-so-simple instructions. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 13:41, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @74.98.241.237 who is the person? Just because they are mentioned on other Wiki articles doesn't mean they are automatically notable or merit and article of their own. See WP:PROF PalauanReich (talk) 14:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Step 1: make absolutely sure that the subject is notable. See WP:N. Notability is our only absolute requirement. If the subject is not notable by our definition, then we will delete the article, wasting your time and ours.
 * Step 2: read a few articles on subjects similar to yours to see what a Wikipedia article should look like.
 * Step 3: proceed to WP:YFA.
 * -Arch dude (talk) 15:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Missing Page
Hello, years ago we created a page for artist, Hubert Shuptrine. It has been a while since it was updated (maybe 2 years) but I can no longer find the page on Wikipedia. How can a page be deleted or go missing? Thank you. Shuptrine&#39;s (talk) 15:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Shuptrine's: Are you sure it was Hubert Shuptrine or Draft:Hubert Shuptrine? I'm not seeing a deletion log on either page. Also please be aware that sharing an account (by your use of we) is not allowed by Wikipedia's account policies, not to mention that Wikipedia is not a site for promotional purposes, and that if you're editing on behalf of someone, you must disclose a conflict of interest on your userpage, especially if it's a paid relationship. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It would have been Hubert Shuptrine, I don't think I even did a draft. So you can see no history of this page?  I appreciate your help. By "we" I meant the family, nothing promotional.   Shuptrine&#39;s (talk) 16:09, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Shuptrine's, it seems you have an undeclared conflict of interest around the Shuptrine family. Please review WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Shuptrine's: Phrases like Shuptrine continues to create new works as he plans for his an upcoming museum exhibition. He also provides watercolor lessons and workshops geared towards all levels of artists and [h]e will [be] offering workshops and an exhibition of his works in the on-site FLOW Gallery seem pretty promotional to me. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tenryuu: There's always Alan Shuptrine, with a considerable amount of promotional text by the same user. Bazza (talk) 16:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah it looks like an unregistered editor had done some trimming down themselves. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep, I removed what looked like the worst of it and have added a COI tag (the article still needs work). I'll leave a note on the talk page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:38, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Why are some people missing
I would like to know why some people e.g. the author and explorer Graham Hoyland do not have Wikipedia pages or entries. Are some people allowed to refuse entries? Pfpm1956 (talk) 18:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)


 * There are basically two reasons why there is not an article about a given subject: either because it isn't notable according to wikipedia's criteria or simply because no one has bothered to write an article (yet). Random person no 362478479 (talk) 00:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I think Graham Hoyland probably doesn't meet the general notability guideline for a standalone article. He was married to Sarah Champion.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 18:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback. (Yes I spotted he was once married to Sarah Champion.) Good to know that once you become notable enough to get an article you can’t influence its existence :) Pfpm1956 (talk) 19:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Teradoctyl
why p-teradoctyl and not teradoctyl 84.217.35.16 (talk) 19:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The article Pterodactyloidea states the word is "derived from the Greek words πτερόν (pterón, for usual ptéryx) 'wing', and δάκτυλος (dáktylos) 'finger' ". GoingBatty (talk) 19:44, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought it was because English has its own rules that it usually doesn't follow. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Is p-teradoctyl an isomer of teradoctyl? One must distinguish between the wing-fingered dinosaurs and the scary-fingered ones. The latter are terror-dactyls. Ok, but seriously: there is discussion about Greek initial pt- at . As pointed out there, we have medial -pt- in words like archaeopteryx and helicopter where pteron is the suffix rather than the prefix. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 20:38, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @User:Pelagic Actually, neither the p-teradoctyl nor the teradoctyl nor the terror-dactyl is either a wing-fingered dinosaur or a scary-fingerd one; for that matter, the pterodactyl--the fact that it literally means "wing finger" notwithstanding--is not a wing-fingered dinosaur. The simple reason is, there are/were no wing-fingered dinosaurs.  The pterodactyl is a pterosaur.  The pterosaurs (like the ichthyosaurs and plesiosaurs) are reptiles that lived millions of years ago at the time of the dinosaurs and are all dead now, but they are not dinosaurs.  (And actually, it can be argued that the dinosaurs are NOT all dead now; we can see them flitting around our backyards and our modern-day-dinosaur-feeders all the time.) Uporządnicki (talk) 13:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Privacy
I am begging someone to help stop the accessing my device thru my calendar sto selling my information and IP address on here and other websites my Amazon account is hacked I believe it’s been going on for years from my MSN account I had since 2001 because last I checked their was a Linux computer logged in my email in Chicago Illinois and I am in Ohio also someone has added a vpn to my kids device and grouped my family 2603:6011:853A:692A:D07E:2B7E:709B:E2AF (talk) 21:25, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This is the help desk for editing Wikipedia (i.e. how to edit Wikipedia), not for trouble shooting hacking of your various online accounts or devices. Sorry, I do not think we can help you.  He  iro  21:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If you don't want your IP address to be displayed on Wikipedia, you should create an account. Shantavira|feed me 08:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You should probably find a computer repair service that can "clean up" your computer, and where the techs can show you how to change all of your passwords. I believe you, that things are wonky, but your explanation is pretty garbled.   That's OK; not everyone needs to speak fluent computerese.  Good luck. David10244 (talk) 08:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Caption
The caption I will show below is not understandable, so if it needed editing, I could not do it. Would someone kindly correct it? Thank you in advance. "Sir Muhammad Iqbal 1935 by Lady Ottoline Morrel". JackkBrown (talk) 22:32, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You didn't provide a link, but I assume that this is a caption for a photograph, painting or drawing of Muhammad Iqbal, created by Ottoline Morrel. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I assume that it is this photo File:Sir Muhammad Iqbal 1935 by Lady Ottoline Morrell.png used at Muhammad Iqbal. I see no problem with the caption used there: "Sir Muhammad Iqbal in 1935, by Lady Ottoline Morrel". Random person no 362478479 (talk) 00:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * because the caption was corrected at 22:40, by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1147111289. JackkBrown (talk) 00:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, that explains it. Problem solved. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 01:00, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Now it's solved. She wasn't a mushroom, either. MinorProphet (talk) 10:02, 30 March 2023 (UTC)