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SFNP
Hi, does anyone know how to add a timestamp to a reference when citing a video? What parameter is used? Cheers. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If you use Cite AV Media, there is a "minutes" or "time" parameter you can specify for this. RudolfRed (talk) 01:24, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @RudolfRed mmm that one adds a reference to the reference list. I have for example, got a media referenced like this in my bibliography. I have a separate footnote list. So what I want is an SFNP reference: ie:
 * References
 * [1] McCune 2006, timestamp 4:05
 * Bibliography
 * McCone 2006, Investigators.
 * Article specifically is Murder of Vivianne Ruiz. I cited a video 15 times. GA reviewer would like timestamps (as would I actually, but couldn't work it out myself when authoring). I try to add a custom parameter and it says "not recognised" — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually just worked it out, request withdrawn. We can add =loc then the timestamp. cheers — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

chatgpt
what is chatgpt?ma i use it for blogposts? Superman870 (talk) 03:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Superman870: Hi there! See the article ChatGPT for more information.  Blog posts have no place on Wikipedia, per WP:NOTBLOG.  GoingBatty (talk) 04:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ...but if you mean if you can use it for blogposts outside Wikipedia, it depends on if your editor would accept it (if you have one), and if you don't it's pretty much your choice. I personally don't like using ChatGPT/other AI for writing blogposts or stuff, but it's your chocie in the end of the day. Happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 08:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Adding a reference link on Mobile commerce page
We have recently done a survey on m-commerce and I added that link on wikipedia page. What is the process for approving that link. Vijetakhurana20 (talk) 06:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Courtesy diff: . This was reverted twice. &#128156; melecie   talk  - 08:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Adding a link to a site you are involved in is a conflict of interest, and you should always ask (usually on the article's talk page) rather than adding it yourself.
 * Furthermore, the use of external links in Wikipedia articles (other than for citations to reliable sources to verify particular statements in the article) are tightly controlled: see ELYES. ColinFine (talk) 08:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Additing citation that is on a blacklist
Hello,

I have edited the Hollandsche Rading railway station page to include update information in the train services table based on the 2023 timetable. I would like to cite the published timteable however it seems the website is blacklisted. I have gone through the local and global list but cannot find the regex line that matches the cited website. The website in question is run by the Dutch national railway (NS). Is there a way I can whitelist or find which regex line blocks this exact website and have it fixed (I have found the whitelist process but cannot actually locate which list blocks the site)?

Thank you and regards,

Pesky ThePeskyPotato (talk) 11:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * ThePeskyPotato, the fact that you managed to create an external link indicates that it is not in the blacklist. I'm linking it again! Instead, I think, as a new user, you introduced a new external link and triggered a captcha. Most issues like this can usually be solved by making more edits. There are many restrictions in place for new users.Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 11:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Try again. There are fewer restrictions when your account is four days old and has made ten edits. The post here was your 11th edit which is why you could easily save the link. Before that there should have been an option to fill in a captcha when you add external links. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Sungodtemple and @PrimeHunter. I've made a second attempt but got the same message:
 * "Something went wrong. Your edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist or Wikimedia's global blacklist...."
 * Maybe I need to have an older account and/or make more minor edits before including an external citation.
 * ThePeskyPotato (talk) 12:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You tried to add the url https://bit.ly/3YslLe0 . We don't allow URL shortening services because they hide the real source until you click them. Simply add the link you posted here: https://nieuws.ns.nl/spoorkaart-2023-hier-te-downloaden/. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter Thanks for helping me debug that. I gave it a third attempt with the URL of the site (not bit.ly) from the visual editor. Automatic citation formatting then switches to the bit.ly URL, it might be that the site redirect to the URL shortner, whcih is odd. I had to manually add it in and now it works.
 * Thanks again. ThePeskyPotato (talk) 12:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for saying how you encountered the problem. I can reproduce it in VisualEditor. The HTML source of https://nieuws.ns.nl/spoorkaart-2023-hier-te-downloaden/ says . It indicates that the website recommends using that url. There are often good reasons for a website to state a preferred url within their own domains but it sounds dumb to recommend an external URL shortener. I will look for a place to report that our citation tools should ignore such recommendations. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have reported it at T336935. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter Thank you for finding that, I was looking at the HTTP status code but only saw 200, didn't think to check the meta tags! ThePeskyPotato (talk) 16:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter Thank you for finding that, I was looking at the HTTP status code but only saw 200, didn't think to check the meta tags! ThePeskyPotato (talk) 16:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:ER on WP:LTA
Hello, I need sysops' help on Wikipedia talk:Long-term abuse/Archive 6. I cannot make sure whether this WP:ER is with good faith. -Lemonaka‎ 12:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * LTA has been a moribund project for at least 7-8 years now; it should probably be marked historical and be done with, but it kinda just keeps hanging around. Check the edit history if you don't believe me.  -- Jayron 32 12:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jayron32 Done -Lemonaka‎  21:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Problem with ZooOrg template
There is a template:ZooOrg which provides standard links to peak zoo organizations. But the links it produces for World Association of Zoos and Aquariums and Zoo and Aquarium Association (at least) are broken. I tried reporting this problem to User talk:Donlammers as suggested in the template documentation, but there has not been any response. Is there some other way to lodge a request get the template fixed? Gronk Oz (talk) 12:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Donlammers hasn't edited since 2017, so the template documentation telling people to contact them for assistance is . . . less than ideal. Maybe try asking for help on Village Pump Technical. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 12:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Gronk Oz: You can edit the template yourself, if confident and permitted. Or I will edit the links for you if you place a list of the incorrect URLs and their correct versions on the template's talk page and add a ping to me . Bazza (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I anchor references to a block of text on a talk page?
I included references in an RfC but they just jump to the bottom of the talk page. Can I make them appear above the discussion about the text but just below the text itself? It's here. Wes sideman (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Apply where you wish the references to appear.  -- Jayron 32 14:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Wes sideman (talk) 14:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Delete my account
I want to get rid of my wikipedia account. DoctorUnknown97 (talk) 17:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * DoctorUnknown97 you cannot 'delete' an account for attribution reasons, but there is a process, WP:Courtesy vanishing, that is pretty much the same thing. You could also just log out and never log back in. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 17:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The editor has made all of one previous edit. Just stop using the account. Meters (talk) 23:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Why is this allowed?
I took a screenshot shot of this. I don’t know why anyone thinks this is funny. Even if there’s accusations brought forth in court against a person, it should be worded much better in the article.

One would think that these ridiculous antics would not be tolerated for editors. Or any kind of changes should go through a vetting process. James Gunn Born Gunn at the 2016 San Diego Comic-Con 2601:840:4481:1220:9906:8DEB:C279:20CA (talk) 17:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * our Policy on biographys of living people does not allow this type of edit. the edit in question has since been reverted. For future note, it would be better if you were to name the page (James Gunn in this case) to prevent the People responding here from having to guess. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi there! I believe you're referring to some vandalism to the James Gunn article, which was automatically tagged as "possible vandalism" and kindly reverted by  two minutes later.  While some articles are locked so changes go through a vetting process, most are not.  It's amazing that a volunteer-run encyclopedia can work as well as it does.  Your help in responding to vandalism would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Question about events portal
I'm a bit confused as to what counts as notable/not notable when it comes to adding things to the portal. Specifically today, Portal:Current_events/2023_May_18, I don't know if we should add this event or not so someone more experienced can tell me if it counts or not. In Charlotte, NC today, there was a gigantic 5-Alarm fire that required the response of nearly 90 medics/firefighters, the evacuation of nearly 100 people, the rescue during the fire of 15, one person sent to the hospital with life-threatening injuries, and at least 2 people still missing. A parking garage under construction caught fire - supposedly, right now, from a faulty foam sprayer igniting - and the fire spread to an apartment complex also under construction. Is this noteworthy enough to put, or not? I didn't want to put it just yet but I have many news articles handy for citations if it does need to be put. EEBuchanan (talk) 19:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't know what the criteria are for including events in those lists. I suggest you ask at Portal talk:Current events. ColinFine (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

How to use non-free media
Hello, so I keep trying to use non-free media but the guide is so confusing I need help and well the thing is I meet the requirements but no one is telling me HOW to do so. Chacabangaso (talk) 19:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * look at Non-free content criteria. Does your proposed usage of the non-free item meet ALL 10 of the criteria? If not, then you cannot use it. -Arch dude (talk) 21:12, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes it does. Chacabangaso (talk) 07:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Please provide an external link to the non-free item and a link to the article where you wish to use it, and perhaps we can help. -Arch dude (talk) 21:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course, The Thief (TV series). Check the Arabic version and you will see the movie poster. Chacabangaso (talk) 07:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Non-free files are local files; in other words, if you want to use the same file currently being used in the Arabic Wikipedia article about the TV series in the English Wikipedia article about the series, you will need to upload a version of it to English Wikipedia. You can do this by downloading the file from Arabic Wikipedia onto your computer and then reuploading it to English Wikipedia using the Wikipedia:Upload Wizard. However, not all local Wikipedia projects have absolutely the same policies when it comes to non-free content use and you will need to make sure that any file you upload to English Wikipedia satisfies English Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , you have been trying to upload a non-free image to Wikimedia Commons. This is completely wrong. Wikimedia Commons accepts only freely licensed and public domain images. Non-free works are simply not permitted there. Images that fully comply with WP:NFCI must be uploaded here on English Wikipedia for strictly limited use, normally in a single designated article. Images on Wikimedia Commons, on the other hand, can be used by anybody, anywhere, for any purpose, with no permission required, with the only requirement being attribution in some cases. These are dramatically different licensing scenarios. Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool! Thank you so much I just couldn't find that link. Chacabangaso (talk) 08:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Canadian General Electric
Just a change may be required for this page as the web page has an unusable web address. GE seems to be gone or taken over by mabe.ca. This may be an issue or just a change of ownership not installed yet 134.41.160.226 (talk) 21:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The I made a small edit to URL in the first infobox, so it matches the bottom info box and resolves without error. It is a redirect to the main GE website.  If you have a reliable source about a new owner and URL for the company, you can make the update yourself, or start a discussion on the article's talk page Talk:Canadian_General_Electric RudolfRed (talk) 00:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Can I place a personal ad with Wikipedia
Can I Howdy2you (talk) 23:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No. See WP:NOT Meters (talk) 23:35, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not, . Any such attempt will result in an immediate, indefinite block. Cullen328 (talk) 07:47, 19 May 2023 (UTC)