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Request for Undeletion of Biographies: Professor Matjaž Klemenčič and Professor Mitja Žagar
Dear Users,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to kindly request the undeletion of two biographies that I recently added to Wikipedia. The biographies in question are about distinguished Slovene researchers, Professor Matjaž Klemenčič and Professor Mitja Žagar. Unfortunately, the content was deleted, and I would like to address any concerns and have it restored. I want to assure you that I adhered to all Wikipedia rules and regulations while creating these biographies. I made every effort to ensure that the content complied with the community's content policies, such as providing reliable sources, maintaining a neutral point of view, and avoiding any promotional or biased language.

Both Professor Matjaž Klemenčič and Professor Mitja Žagar have made significant contributions to their respective fields, and their achievements are widely recognized. Including their biographies on Wikipedia would provide valuable information to readers interested in their work and accomplishments.

I kindly request that you reconsider the deletion and restore the biographies. If there are any specific concerns or issues with the content, I am more than willing to address them promptly. I am committed to ensuring that the biographies meet the high standards set by Wikipedia. Thank you for your attention to this matter, and I look forward to your favorable response. If you require any additional information or clarification, please let me know. I genuinely believe that these biographies deserve a place on Wikipedia, and I appreciate your consideration. Doncsecztalk 05:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Doncsecz~enwiki Hi there!
 * Others will be able to help you better than I can, but I wanted to point out that those articles weren't "deleted"; they were just moved to the draftspace. Now, if they go six months without any revisions being done to them, then yes they would get outright deleted (at that point you would ask for their undeletion). From a glance, Klemencic has only 2 external links, and Zagar only 3. So you need more sources than that (along with footnotes/inline citations). I hope this answers at least some of your concerns.
 * (By the way, I recommend checking those articles out on other Wikipedia sites if they have them, as they could have more sources there. I know this because the Russian Wikipedia can have a lot more sources for certain articles than the English one, for example). Losipov (talk) 06:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Both of these lacked reliable secondary sourcing. I can't comment on how notable these people are, but the article always needs sourcing. It cannot be written like a LinkedIn profile.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Here on the English Wikipedia, the move to draft space is a good sign. It means the initial reviewing editor did not choose to delete the article or nominate it for deletion, because the editor felt that there is hope that the article can be improved. The absolutely critical issue for you is to add references that demonstrate that these subjects meet our notability requirements: see WP:NACADEMIC. -Arch dude (talk) 19:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. Those articles about the reality celebs and porn actors are more important. Doncsecztalk 11:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ... and some of the athletes and coaches at a major university are more notable than the tenured professors, which is IMO even worse than the celebs including porn stars. But "importance" is subjective, so we use "notability" instead, and we try hard to use an objective measure of notability: the subject must have attracted sufficient notice in the general press. This is the policy the English Wikipedia has been using for two decades. You will not change this policy by commenting here on the help desk. -Arch dude (talk) 14:41, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

How to work with tables
Hi guys, so I am really confused. After uploading a lot of images to put then Jordan dinar the table broke when I put them in. Could someone check my Sandbox (too broken to add to main page yet) and help me? I need to add a cell between 5 and 10 piasters and the images arent working right. Ty Chacabangaso (talk) 11:28, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: A LOT of the images are named wrongly I have no clue what happened when I made them I am trying to figure out how to move them now I'm really sorry, Chacabangaso (talk) 11:31, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * . I converted the image to links because non-free content isn't allowed to be used in user sandboxes. Please don't add any more images to your user sandbox. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hatnote for article that is available on another language wikipedia
I'm wondering what to do regarding a hatnote where the "you could have also meant" is not available on the English wikipedia but only on the German one. The concrete example is Peter Bogner. The English wikipedia is about a German-American businessman. However the German wikipedia talks about a different Peter Bogner who is an art historian. This could be confusing. How to best resolve this?

I could only find guidance that one should not hatnote link to a redlink. But in this case, it could make sense to link to the German language article instead. AncientWalrus (talk) 12:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Use the Interlanguage link template. My only concern with that the articles have the same title, so the template may not work correctly to identify that the artist is a red link here and a blue link there. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 12:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Try Peter Bogner (art historian) -> Peter Bogner (art historian) Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:06, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip! Unfortunately this doesn't seem to work? Or am I doing something wrong?
 * See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AncientWalrus/sandbox&oldid=1155735570 AncientWalrus (talk) 13:28, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Weird. I've added a line to your sandbox with it done as text and that works.  Feel free to use, modify or delete as you wish. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that worked. How did you create that literal version? AncientWalrus (talk) 14:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Technical issues aside, is this really a good idea? I'm inclined to say not - the set of people looking for the art historian who find the businessman and can speak German seems small. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I've translated the German article to English wikipedia (Peter Bogner (art historian)) so this should be resolved now AncientWalrus (talk) 15:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I've translated the German article to English wikipedia (Peter Bogner (art historian)) so this should be resolved now AncientWalrus (talk) 15:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Why?
Why do some (very few; or so I hope) Americans believe pizza is of American origin? Who can explain this unjustifiable and nefarious thought to me? 151.68.96.238 (talk) 22:07, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a place to ask questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. Meters (talk) 22:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You're right, Meters. But I'll suggest a reason anyway: I think it may be because Americans did invent the abomination that is deep-dish pizza. Bishonen &#124; tålk 22:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC).
 * Ayy, don't diss deep-dish pizzas agains, capisce? Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 22:42, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Too bad that we do not have "Reference desk: Italian-American food". Cullen328 (talk) 23:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Be the change you want to see in the world. Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 23:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * 151.68.96.238, Meters, Bishonen, LilianaUwU, Cullen328 Funny, I watched a program about that, just yesterday--the rivalry between Pizza Hut and Domino's that brought pizza to the general American culture. If Adam Richman had things right, it's because the pizza concocted first by two young guys in Kansas who knew nothing about pizza bore almost no resemblance to the traditional Italian dish--and that's what Americans came to know as pizza.  And no, it apparently (again, assuming Richman had things right) WASN'T the "deep dish."  It seems that in the northeast U.S. cities, where there were substantial populations of Italian immigrants who DID know Italian pizza, they couldn't make any headway until they designed a pizza with a thicker crust than they had been doing. Uporządnicki (talk) 19:11, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , I have not seen the documentary you mentioned but I believe that the assertion that Pizza Hut and Domino's is incorrect. I was born in Detroit where Domino's began, and that chain had negligible influence when I moved to California in 1972. But there were hundreds of locally owned pizzerias all over the Detroit area. Same for the San Francisco Bay Area. When I arrived in 1972, I quickly discovered Tomasso's which had been in business since 1935. Every neighborhood had a few family owned pizzerias, even Chinatown. Pretty much every town of an significant size had at least one independent pizzeria, long before the big chains came to town. Cullen328 (talk) 19:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It was an episode of The Food that Built America. And I have sort of wondered if that series tends to oversimplify, and to consider the drama as much as historical accuracy.  It does seem that every modern food trend here is the result of bitter rivalry between two arch-competitors--without which, America would never have heard of that particular food.  They did acknowledge pizzerias.  Interesting, though, about the Domino's.  1972 was when I started college in Durham, NC, I'd never heard of Domino's but in Durham (and Chapel Hill), there was PTA--Pizza Transit Authority.  Probably, most of their business was to college students. Of course, I'd had pizza before, but I don't recall if I'd seen delivery pizza before PTA.  Of course, Durham and Chapel Hill both have Domino's now.  Apparently, there's still a PTA Pizza & Hoagie in Wake Forest, NC. Uporządnicki (talk) 20:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Americans who truly appreciate excellent pizza tend to avoid mass production chains like these two. Cullen328 (talk) 19:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

change page name
hi how do ı change the name of the page ı just published Jojososyal (talk) 22:18, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That advertisement was deleted, and your spamming account has been blocked. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  00:01, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

A friend just sent me an ad from a spam operation using our name on their website and in their URL
Okay, not technically our name, but "Wiki Encyclopedia".

What's the best board to notify folks? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  23:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Notify people of what, ? If it's "a spam operation using our name on their website and in their URL", then as you say the name is not "wikipedia", and both "wiki" and "encyclopedia" are English words. -- Hoary (talk) 00:51, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * They are advertising their spamming services, and offering various subscriptions to keep an article about their customer in Wikipedia in a way the customer likes. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  01:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There are rather a lot of such companies. I'm pretty sure I have seen a list of them (in the "Wikipedia" namespace), but unfortunately its title eludes me. If somebody can think of the title, then you could add this outfit to it. -- Hoary (talk) 03:34, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * not exactly what you're describing, but WP:PAIDLIST lettherebedarklight晚安 04:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, WP:PAIDLIST is exactly what I was thinking of. -- Hoary (talk) 05:32, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Mentioning it at COIN and Jimbotalk can't hurt. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:47, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I assume "Jimbotalk" is a joke. For those who missed recent events, Jimmy Wales (main Wikipedia cofounder) publicly accused an admin of paid editing based on one company’s advertisement (when it has been well-known that such companies lie about having admin "on their side" to get clients); he ended up abandoning his tools over the fuss this created. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No, it's not a joke, and in fact User talk:Jimbo Wales is a good place to alert a very wide range of contributors, including people associated with the WMF. Jimbo's clumsy approach in that incident was regrettable but a lot more useful people watch his talk than many other places at Wikipedia. Johnuniq (talk) 10:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)