Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2023 November 10

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tildes? Where do I find them on my keyboard. (it's a German keyboard layout)
Where do I find tildes on my German keyboard layout? BillyBobBluesStomper2 (talk) 05:12, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * See German keyboard layout. Apparently you need to use the AltGr key key (the righthand Alt key)  to shift to the third symbol on the "+" key. Meters (talk) 05:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For Wikipedia purposes it might be easier to just select the sign option. This is readily available in the Text editor, but I don't know how (or if) it works in the Visual editor. Meters (talk) 05:26, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Depending on your requirement, as an alternative you can always google any desired unusual symbol, then copy-and-paste an example into your typing stream (I do that myself with em-dashes and en-dashes at least, also sometimes with some very obscure diacritics). Tony 1212 (talk) 17:46, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

banned?
why did i get banned 194.187.10.64 (talk) 09:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * What makes you think you are banned? Do you mean blocked?  If you posted here you are not subject to a block, unless you have an account that was blocked- in which case you must return to your account and follow the instructions provided. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

why did you change what i said about besiktas?! 194.187.10.64 (talk) 10:06, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If you can't be bothered to specify either the edit or your username, don't expect people here to take the trouble to work out what these may be. -- Hoary (talk) 10:23, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no idea who Besiktas is, but edits like are reverted because a WP-article is not a chat-room, and if you keep making edits like that someone will block you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

What do you do when someone (an ip editor) has provided their real name and address on a talk page?
Someone asked to cancel a service on that service's page saying they wish to cancel their subscription, with their full name and address visible. I'm not going to link it here for obvious reasons, but what is the correct procedure? Does it need to be deleted from the edit history as well or not, since its not a user revealing another users information, its a user volunarily giving information about themselves? MarkiPoli (talk) 11:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * User:MarkiPoli, email the oversight team. See WP:OS for more. Folly Mox (talk) 11:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Since it's personally identifiable information, it will need to be suppressed for the safety of the individual involved, even though it doesn't breach WP:OUTING since it's not tied to a Wikipedia account name. Folly Mox (talk) 11:14, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will do that. I was a little confused because WP:OUTING doesn't say anything about an editor accidentally or deliberately posting their own information. Is there any specific policy regarding this? MarkiPoli (talk) 11:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:MarkiPoli, yes: WP:OSPOL, number 1. Folly Mox (talk) 12:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, please ensure you send a request to the oversight email when you see instances of editors posting addresses, telephone numbers and other personally identifying information on Wikipedia (speaking with my oversighter hat on).-- Ponyo bons mots 19:29, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

List not ordered
All info in List of unsolved murders in Canada is just randomly added instead of chronologically. Can someone please put these in chronological order because it looks amateurish and ugly this way. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 14:18, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The article isn't protected. You can be bold and edit it yourself! ThatOneWolf (talk 14:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Aquatic Ambiance: Or, you can click on the up arrow in the Year column header to sort the table. GoingBatty (talk) 06:28, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Citing throughout a multivolume work
Hi! I want to elegantly use this new work throughout a few articles, but it's in eight (relatively brief) volumes, and it doesn't seem likely that page numbers for the omnibus version would be helpful. Is there a canonical way of an inline citation that just bundles the volume and page number? I didn't see one. Remsense  聊  14:59, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Here is a cite to a multi-volume series with a two-part treatment of a single area (Battersea) with chapters separately number in online PDFs - if you look at the source, you should be able to pick out the bits that are needed for your reference. (I admit it took me months to get it into this shape.)
 * -- Verbarson talkedits 15:42, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * for example? [Dummy citation to remove big red error! ] Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:49, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you and @Verbarson, I think I'm going to go with the method for now.  Remsense  聊  16:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

I have a question about the reference desk.
Is off topic things allowed on the Miscellaneous part of the reference desk? —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 16:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ask on its talk page. Remember that all responders are volunteers, so even if you ask an OT question, and even if the community thinks it's OK to do so, nobody is obliged to respond. -Arch dude (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Is OT questions allowed on the talk page of the Miscellaneous part of the reference desk? Yes or no? —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 18:42, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * By definition the Miscellaneous desk is for topics not covered by the other desks. So I suppose it depends what you mean by "off topic". DuncanHill (talk) 18:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Would I get blocked if I publish any OT questions on the Miscellaneous desk or it’s talk page? And, what if we have a dedicated off topic form on Wikipedia and Wikipedia Commons? —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 18:52, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Neither Wikipedia nor Commons have 'off topic forums'. That isn't the purpose of the project. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * All of the Reference desks are for asking factual questions. I cannot imagine any factual question that would be "off-topic", although obviously facecious, libellous, provocative or obscene questions will receive short shrift (meaning 4.).
 * Questions about how to edit/use Wikipedia can be asked at the Teahouse (for beginners) or the Help desk (for more experienced users).
 * The only other thing to remember is that Wikipedia is not social media, and is not intended for idle chat.
 * Outside of those parameters, and at the risk of tempting fate, what,, would you consider to be a hypothetical example of an "off-topic question"? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 19:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * My hypothetical off topic question would be “Click on the link!” and it would take you to a rickroll. Anyways, should I trust that IP or ignore them? —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 19:31, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * if you were supposed to categorically ignore IPs, they wouldn't be allowed to post. Remsense  聊  19:33, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Implementing a template on Wikipedia
Are there any tech experts out there that might have a clue on how to approach the topic at Village pump (technical)? BOZ (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Hamas
Hamas is designated a terrorist organization by the US and most democratic governments and responsible people. Please make this correction. Blandy28 (talk) 19:52, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Please see MOS:TERRORIST. Tollens (talk) 20:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * From the WP:LEAD of Hamas: "The group's attacks, including suicide bombings against civilian targets and indiscriminate rocket attacks, have led many countries and academics to designate Hamas a terrorist organization." In the article. you find Hamas. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:02, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Have you made a specific request or recommendation at Talk:Hamas? —Tamfang (talk) 03:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Multiref anchors
Do any of the multiref bundle templates support adding a name ID so that they may be anchored using something like Template:SfnRef? Krisgabwoosh (talk) 20:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * User:Krisgabwoosh, I think Template:R is capable of the functionality it seems like you're asking about.It's not super clear whether you're trying to reuse a bundled reference (which can also be done by wrapping harvnbs inside a pair of tags with the name parameter set), or whether you're asking if sfnmp will read a full citation's ref parameter that has been customised with sfnref (which it does). Folly Mox (talk) 16:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * My intention is the have one ref lead to two different citations. Something like this highlighting two websites (presumably bundled) in the references section. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 01:07, 12 November 2023 (UTC) Krisgabwoosh (talk) 01:07, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Skipped a step in merge process
I performed a merge of Biologics for immunosuppression into Biological response modifiers earlier, and in following WP:PROMERGE I provided the wrong copyright-required edit summary on the actual moving of content. I followed up on Biological response modifiers with a dummy edit with the required edit summary, which hopefully is fine. But, since Biologics for immunosuppression was made a redirect, when I try to make a dummy edit with the copyright-required edit summary, it's not appearing in that page's history. Kimen8 (talk) 21:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * User:Kimen8, R from Merge, which you correctly added in the BLAR, provides the text necessary for license compliance on the redirect page itself. Folly Mox (talk) 16:11, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thanks. Kimen8 (talk) 16:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Mobile media viewer caption issue
The caption for this image in the mobile version of MediaViewer is currently some weird string of code (see below). Any ideas on how to fix this? Parties to Geneva Conventions and Protocols .mw-parser-output .div-col{margin-top:0.3em;column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .div-col-small{font-size:90%}.mw-parser-output .div-col-rules{column-rule:1px solid #aaa}.mw-parser-output .div-col dl,.mw-parser-output .div-col ol,.mw-parser-output .div-col ul{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .div-col li,.mw-parser-output .div-col dd{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column} .mw-parser-output .legend{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .legend-color{display:inline-block;min-width:1.25em;height:1.25em;line-height:1.25;margin:1px 0;text-align:center;border:1px solid black;background-color:transparent;color:black}.mw-parser-output .legend-text{} Parties to GC I–IV and P I–III  Parties to GC I–IV and P I and III   Parties to GC I–IV and P III   Parties to GC I–IV and P I–II[note 1]   Parties to GC I–IV and P I   Parties to GC I–IV and no P Thanks, Andumé (talk) 21:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * A similar case was reported 25 October at T211444. Until a patch is made and deployed, a possible fix here would be to only have pure text in the image caption at Fourth Geneva Convention, but I don't think we should do that. It's useful to most readers to have the legend in the caption. If we move it outside the caption then it may not be moved back in when the bug has been fixed. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:59, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer. I agree that the legend should be kept in the caption (after all, you can still see it properly outside of MediaViewer). Andumé (talk) 22:40, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Is there a bot that can do this task?
The Organized crime task force and the Serial killer task force banners recently got added to the banner of Template:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography using parameters. The previous banners (as wrappers of the new one with the parameters) were mass substituted. This has left ~6700 (see Category:Unknown-importance Crime-related articles, not counting ones that didn't have an initial basic crime importance) duplicates, that have both the original crime importance and task force importance but split between two duplicate banners. Is there any bot that can merge the importance values on the pages that have both templates so there aren't so many duplicates? Of course the ones that were not initially tagged with the original crime ones will have to be manually tagged as they don't have the basic importance parameter, but that's 500 which isn't as bad.

Sorry if I didn't explain this well D: PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @PARAKANYAA: Hi there! Try asking at Bot requests.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:27, 11 November 2023 (UTC)