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Hiding edit notices/warnings
Hi all, I've been searching for how to hide specific edit warnings/notices, and I'm having a bit of trouble figuring it out. I don't want to hide all edit notices/warnings. If, for example, I want to hide the two warnings on Gamer from popping up on any page that has those warnings/notices, how would I go about that, please?

I hope that makes sense, and any help is appreciated. Thanks so much! HeyElliott (talk) 00:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What warnings do you mean on Gamer? The maintenance notice about weasel words? RudolfRed (talk) 02:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * When you click "edit source", it displays the notices starting with "There are suggestions on this article's talk page for references" and "Note: This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit". I'm referring to those two. HeyElliott (talk) 02:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "There are suggestions ..." is currently difficult to hide. I have made a suggestion at Template talk:Refideas editnotice which would make it easy. "Note: This page is semi-protected ..." can be hidden with this in :
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 02:31, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * More generally: in most browsers, right-click the offending box and select "Inspect" or "Inspect element" or similar, to find a specific enough css class or id, then go up to the element which will have a css class named after the page.  For Gamer, the latter is  ; edit notices are , and the semi-protected box (technically not an editnotice) is  .  So you'd put   in . —Cryptic 02:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you both so much! HeyElliott (talk) 02:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * means to only apply it to that page. Without this, all normal edit notices on all pages will be hidden.  hides the whole pink box with the protection log, also for other protection types. My   only hides the line "Note: ... Teahouse." PrimeHunter (talk) 02:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I missed the "on any page" part. Without limiting it to a specific page, you've got to be a lot more selective with your (ahem) css selectors, to avoid hiding too much. —Cryptic 08:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I missed the "on any page" part. Without limiting it to a specific page, you've got to be a lot more selective with your (ahem) css selectors, to avoid hiding too much. —Cryptic 08:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Page: Bitto; paragraph: "Production"
I cannot understand the meaning of this sentence: "Bitto DOP can be added with goat's milk (it is not mandatory) and can use arbitrary feed for the cows the use enzyme can be used in powder."; I am no expert in English (in fact I rely, for some things, on paid translators, therefore very reliable), but in my opinion this sentence is not grammatically correct. JackkBrown (talk) 02:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It is very far from grammatically correct, it is near-gibberish: I suspect that it has (i) been added by a non-native English speaker and (ii) has been mangled by them in translation.
 * Without consulting an original source (or already being an expert cheesemaker), it's impossible to be sure exactly what is meant, and in any case no source is given.
 * Possible courses of action are:
 * (a) to identify the editor who added it by examination of the Page history, either by eye or by using Wikiblame, and (if they were not an IP) asking them what the source is and what is actually meant. If this is not possible;
 * (b) search for an appropriate source (likely in Italian; start by trying the External links) that covers this aspect of the subject, and substitute a correctly written, cited entry. Or;
 * (c) simply delete the entire sentence, mentioning the lack of reference and non-meaningfulness in the Edit summary.
 * {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.241.161.192 (talk) 02:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I see that has now deleted the unsourced gibberish from the article. That seems to me the best way to deal with it. Maproom (talk) 08:10, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Do any citation tools expand a ProQuest ID or ISSN into a full CS1 citation?
The alternative is continued inconvenience or citing everything in an academic style supported by ProQuest. Mach61 (talk) 02:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * User:Mach61, embrace the inconvenience. No citation tools produce perfect citations all the time, and none have the functionality you're looking for (also, did you mean ISBN? that one used to work but the backend is under transition; ISSN is not specific enough).If there's sources you cite frequently you can always put the full citation somewhere in userspace notes to copypaste into articles easily.Many academic publishers also have a "cite" button that will produce a citation in one of the usual styles. You can copypaste this into a reference and let later editors add the template for you. Manually formatted citations are preferable to the incorrect junk that the scripts often come up with. Folly Mox (talk) 13:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Any checkuser here?
Hello! I have sent an email to get ip block exemption several days ago but get no response so far. Please process my request as soon as possible. Thanks! Whisper of the heart 05:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Resolved . -- zzuuzz (talk) 07:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

selective contributions list
I would like to look at Special:Contributions/Tamfang and hide those pages where the last contribution was mine. Is there a way? —Tamfang (talk) 05:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The ones specifically marked "(current)" can be hidden -  in, like  above.  If you made consecutive edits to the same page, though, as at Street suffix, the previous edits will still show. —Cryptic 08:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * See User:Markhurd/hidetopcontrib. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No effect! —Tamfang (talk) 02:42, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Re-using a reference with a different quote
How can I reuse a reference, but now with a different quote?

So for example:

I want to re-use that reference but with a new quote parameter.

If it is a book I can move the quote to the RP template like so and stick that directly after the but what should I do when its a website?

I could use the r but that only displays the quote if I add a pagenumber, and most websites don't have pagenumbers.

Other downsides are that its only displayed onhover and not in the reflist where you'd expect it.

Polygnotus (talk) 08:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If the quotations are important to the article, place them in the article body ( or similar) and cite them. Quotations require citations; citations do not require (should not have) quotations.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There are hacky ways to accomplish this, like putting both quotes in the quote parameter, or citing the webpage with harvnb and putting the quote after the template call but before the closing ref tag. But Trappist is correct: generally if a quote is important, it should go in the body. If you're just using the exact source text to verify the prose, it's not necessary to include. Folly Mox (talk) 13:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Reassesment of article
Am i allowed to re assessed an article? If not who should i contact or what should i do to have it re assessed. Sangsangaplaz (talk) 09:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, anyone can change the article assesment. The exceptions are the good article and featured article grades, which require a more extensive process. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 11:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps add two more exceptions: the little used A grade, and Featured List. -- Hoary (talk) 12:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sangsangaplaz (talk) 14:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sangsangaplaz (talk) 14:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sangsangaplaz: There are also specific assessment criteria for B-class. See Content assessment for more information. GoingBatty (talk) 17:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I know I know and I read it. Thanks. Sangsangaplaz (talk) 14:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Search bar
I frequently need to look up brand name and generic medications. How do I access this information? I seem to recall that in the past as soon as I opened Wikipedia there was a search bar where I could type what I was looking for. I am having trouble trying to navigate the site. Help! John Bielinski 2013 HARL (talk) 13:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * 2013 HARL the new vector 2022 skin places the search bar at the top or top left instead of the top right. That being said, Wikipedia should not be used for medical advice. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 13:17, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In narrow sceens you may have to first click a magnifying glass icon at the top. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Space
To see the stars and the moon Gihanno (talk) 13:25, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey there @Gihanno. The article, star and the moon is on Wikipedia if you're interested. 🛧 Midori No Sora♪ 🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈  ) 13:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Cansu Derr,
Tурецкая артистка ,жива 2A02:85F:E4A7:E26F:E447:5E31:A9F5:5068 (talk) 14:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * We have an article on Cansu Dere if that is what you are looking for. This is the English Wikipedia, so please ask any questions in English. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Conflict of interest?
I am one of the co-founders of THREADSPY, a company specializing in data analysis in the fashion sector. We have developed some data resources that I believe could add depth and relevance to certain Wikipedia topics, particularly in the fashion domain. I am keen to approach this with full transparency and without any intent of self-promotion.

One specific example is our research on popular trainer brands, which I think could enhance the Wikipedia article on Air Force (shoe). Here's the link to our research for your reference: https://threadspy.co.uk/fashion-research/the-most-popular-trainer-brands-around-the-world.

I understand and respect the importance of Wikipedia's neutrality and conflict of interest policies. Therefore, I am seeking guidance on the best way to propose the inclusion of this link, or similar ones, to relevant articles. What would be the appropriate procedure for this? Should I discuss it on the article's talk page or is there another recommended approach for situations with a potential conflict of interest? Sam Firth (talk) 14:31, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Sam Firth if Threadspy is a good source, then editors will include it. It probably isn't. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 14:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) @Sam Firth Thanks for asking, rather than just wading in, as many WP:PAID editors do. Please read that link, as it is mandatory to follow that guidance. See also WP:COI. The best approach is to make an Edit COI request on the Talk Page (see link to template for details). Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Michael D. Turnbull Sam Firth (talk) 14:48, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Wayback Machine
I cannot figure out how to archive (in Wayback) a reference in the featured article, Adamson Tannehill. One of the article editors kindly archived all the web citations except Note #5: "Maryland Historical Society (1927), p. 275." Would someone be willing to archive this one citation in Wayback for me? Many thanks! Tfhentz (talk) 14:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Tfhentz The link is already to archive.org at this URL, hence I don't think it needs to be duplicated at the Wayback Machine. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:38, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. Tfhentz (talk) 14:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's all the same thing. "Wayback Machine" is the name of the Internet portion of the Internet Archive, whose URL is archive.org. -Arch dude (talk) 15:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tfhentz: If you want to archive a web page, and have checked that it's not already archived, go to https://web.archive.org/ and use the "Save Page Now" feature at the bottom right. GoingBatty (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sound advice! Thanks for all your kind input. Cheers. Tfhentz (talk) 21:21, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Mainspace edits
I want to keep track of my mainspace edits, how do I do this without seeing my other edits as well? ThatOneWolf (talk 16:08, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @ThatOneWolf on your contributions page, Special:Contributions/ThatOneWolf click on the "search for contributions" dropdown at the top and in the "namespace" box select (article). 86.23.109.101 (talk) 16:26, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh ok. Thanks. ThatOneWolf (talk 16:26, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Although, when it says how many contributions I have, it still shows all of them. How do I count only my mainspace edits? ThatOneWolf (talk 16:29, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @ThatOneWolf As of right now, you have 236 live (non-deleted) edits, and 59 of them are to mainspace. I retrieved that information via XTools.  If you look at your contributions page and scroll all the way to the bottom there's a link that says, "Edit count" which takes you to XTools.  The second section down on that page gives you a breakdown of edist by namespace. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 16:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll keep this tool in mind. ThatOneWolf (talk 17:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Table talk
In the table here, Wryneck, I want to make the third column wider at the expense of the fourth, so that the depth of the table is decreased. Any thoughts? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:28, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have viewed the table in four desktop browsers and they all make the same poor choice between the width of the third and fourth column. I don't know why. You could use nowrap on a line in one of the cells in the third column to force the column to be at least that wide. However, it would also force it in narrow screens like phones where users may instead have to scroll to the right to see the whole table. I don't know how to avoid this side effect. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * thanks for that. I'll leave it for now, and perhaps rethink the table if I need to Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've applied a bodge, putting the longest "line" of the third column into a nowrap template. This is not an ideal solution, please undo it if you wish. Maproom (talk) 17:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * redid it with column style. Mathglot (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , thanks both, looks fine now Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, as a mobile editor, I can confirm that the table in question looked fine before, but now looks stupid. Are there any other solutions to format this table in a way that presents it well in both desktop and mobile view? Folly Mox (talk) 13:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * min-width: 30% in the two columns looks well to me in both wide and narrow desktop and mobile. It's not perfect but I haven't found circumstances where it's bad. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For me, the current version of the page looks worse than after my unprofessional bodge, both on a large screen and on an Android mobile in "desktop mode". I hope there's someone who knows how to handle this properly. Maproom (talk) 13:59, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You can't use  with a % value on column 3, because that will cause the lines to fold depending on window width, you need to use pixels or em; you can use % on the first two columns if you want, or even the last column (although usually the last column absorbs "whatever's left") but to preserve the second col unwrapped, you need about 125px. If mobile looks different, I'd use if mobile within the style attribute and choose a different value; I don't have time to mock this up now, but try  . Mathglot (talk) 08:46, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Italian meal structure
I can no longer find the thread where I had asked how to redirect users to the secondo or primo section of the Italian meal structure page. JackkBrown (talk) 16:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * See . See Anchor for a method which wasn't mentioned there. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * When was it dated? If it was a while ago, it may have been archived. ThatOneWolf (talk 16:38, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you. Unfortunately, even if I click on the option that allows me to also see the last notifications, I can't see them all. JackkBrown (talk) 16:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

About numbered lists
Is there a method (even through CSS or HTML) to transform a several-levelled numbered list into one-levelled list with sub-numbering? From this: into this:
 * ma
 * me
 * mi
 * 1) mia
 * 2) mio
 * 3) miu
 * mo
 * 1) moa
 * mu
 * 1. ma
 * 2. me
 * 3. mi
 * 3.1. mia
 * 3.2. mio
 * 3.3. miu
 * 4. mo
 * 4.1. moa
 * 5. mu

※Sobreira ◣◥ 〒 @「parlez」 19:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Sobreira: Have a read of . Bazza (talk) 19:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So do I just copy this into (ment to be in wikt)?
 * ol {counter-reset: section; list-style-type: none;}
 * li::before {counter-increment: section; content: counters(section, ".") " ";}
 * ul {margin-left: 0; padding-left: 0;}
 * Thanks! ※Sobreira ◣◥ 〒 @「parlez」 20:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No. I had assumed you had enough technical knowledge to know how to apply the information in the article I gave; and I also did not realise you were wanting to use this in markup. It's non-standard for Wiki markup, and will rely on others understanding and supporting the code in the future. What is the reason for wanting to restructure lists in this way? How will it improve Wiktionary? Bazza (talk) 20:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, mentioning CSS with the idea that I knew enough was my fault. I am the silly one asking for a level I don't have. I just thought.... never mind, I am the silly one.
 * I don't want to use it in Wiktionary itself for everyone, but only for my way of visualising the text. Isn't it what Custom CSS in Preferences is for? To change only the way I look it when logged?
 * It is not to be used in actual wikt pages, but to copy wikicode into the Sandbox, and copy-paste to an external text editor.
 * Why? Which improvement? Because I copy it into a narrow column width (tomorrow I upload the resulting file and you could see), so with the fourth level indentation is a mess in the text editor. And as I'm gonna copy a lot (a very lot) of lists, so working one-by-one in the editor is discarded.
 * Not possible then? (by pasting that ol/li::/ul or any other way) ※Sobreira ◣◥ 〒 @「parlez」 20:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sobreira: Since you have a question about Wiktionary, I suggest asking at Wiktionary. It appears the proper place for a technical question like yours is the wikt:Wiktionary:Grease pit.  Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 21:14, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I guessed the problem is the same for all the wikis and, as all Helps end up in the en.wiki, I asked here. You can see in the resulting file how easily indentation of pages 40 can become like in pages 23, 46, 61, 94ss. I think the answer could be interesting also here. ※Sobreira ◣◥ 〒 @「parlez」 09:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Deleting
Someone other than me created this page years ago. I do not know their name and I do not have login information. How do I delete this page? 2603:9001:2400:F53:2D92:9E13:BA18:FA83 (talk) 20:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Which page? Your user page? The one of your contributions "Julie Y"? ※Sobreira ◣◥ 〒 @「parlez」 20:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Assuming you mean Julie Young, you have been told by a subsequent editor to raise the issue at Articles for deletion. Please read the information on that page. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Article creation
Hello, I want to know how to create my own article YOUSSRA2008 (talk) 21:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @YOUSSRA2008: Hi there! Creating a new Wikipedia article can be quite challenging, especially if you do not have a lot of experience editing existing Wikipedia articles.  To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at Help:Introduction.  I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills.  Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability".  If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article and summarize what the sources have published, and be prepared for a process that may include waiting for review, declines, and rewrites before an article is created.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 21:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Valve tester
Hi looking for help with a mallard E7600/e valve tester have the cards but no index sheet thanks Graham 51.198.25.208 (talk) 21:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we cannot help you here unless you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Try the WP:Reference Desk to ask for more information about any topic you are interested in. Félix An (talk) 06:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Notte della Taranta
Should the names of Italian festivals be put in italics (e.g., Notte della Taranta)? Sorry if I ask so many questions, but I make many changes a day (corrected, of course) and if I don't ask here and look for the answer myself, it takes me a long time just looking. JackkBrown (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Proper names, no matter what language they're in, are not italicized. See MOS:BADITALICS. Deor (talk) 00:24, 22 November 2023 (UTC)