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Should I restore the article for Cillit Bang?
Someone changed the entire article into a redirect. Should I restore the article? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cillit_Bang&oldid=1091659175 Félix An (talk) 02:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , the article was removed because of its long-standing inadequate referencing. You should only consider recreating it if you can address that problem. Maproom (talk) 08:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

vector skin
is there a way to make ?useskin=vector persist without logging in or installing an addon? 103.62.155.200 (talk) 07:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately not, as far as I'm aware. Tollens (talk) 08:40, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If you have an account and are logged in, you can do it by
 * Preferences
 * Appearance
 * Skin — select "Vector legacy (200)
 * Maproom (talk) 09:51, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Adding an article to an RM after it has started
Hi all. Is it possible to add an article to a requested move that is already underway? In particular, I would like to add History of transgender people in Brazil to the RM at Talk:History of transgender people in Finland. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You can bring the topic up in that discussion, or, if in the future the discussion ends with move, you can move the Brazil page in a similar way and cite that discussion as the precedent. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Carnival of Venice
According to the page, "Carnival of Venice" should be capitalised, but should "Venetian carnival" (the "c" of "carnival") and "Venice carnival" (the "c" of "carnival") also be capitalised? JackkBrown (talk) 16:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @JackkBrown: "Carnival" should be captialized if it is part of a proper name, such as the Carnival holiday. However, when writing about a traveling carnival, we would use lowercase. GoingBatty (talk) 20:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have not understood correctly and therefore risk making a mistake. Could you kindly correct all the "Carnival" and "Carnevale" that I got wrong on the pages "Carnival in Italy", "Carnival of Venice", "Carnival of Viareggio" and "Carnival of Ivrea"? Thank you very much in advance. JackkBrown (talk) 20:42, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @JackkBrown: You are persistently making changes to articles which introduce errors and then expecting other editors such as @GoingBatty and myself to clean up your mess. This is not acceptable.
 * There is a danger that you will be blocked again if you continue to exhibit this behaviour. You are responsible for your edits, and should now be going back to correct them, or at least WP:UNDO your edits.
 * Editing Wikipedia is not a competition, and there are no deadlines. Bazza (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * if you want me to take care of it, please explain better, with examples, when "Carnival" and "Carnevale" should be capitalised and when not (by the way, threatening to block someone is never a nice thing to do). JackkBrown (talk) 22:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @JackkBrown: If you don't know what you're doing then stop editing. Your constant demands of other editors to fix errors of your own making are unreasonable.
 * I did not threaten to block you. I warned you that you may end up being blocked as you have been previously if you do not cease your disruptive editing. Bazza (talk) 23:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I respect you, but you are very wrong here. It may happen that I sometimes edit incorrectly, ask for advice, follow the advice, and then correct my mistakes, but this I do because I correct many pages a day (among the adjustments I make, I always flawlessly correct all captions, following the MOS:CAPTIONS, the MOS:GEOLINK, the "circa" template, adding punctuation when it's missing, etc., I fix dashes, I correct sentences, I add punctuation when it is missing (and I assure you that I have found pages where punctuation was completely missing (I mean it)), I add the "flatlist" and "plainlist" templates when necessary (more often than you can imagine, for example in many pages of Italian artists), I add the "singular" and "plural" templates, and many other things that I will not list because of their quantity) and I can't spend any more time alone than normal searching for doubts (I remind you that I am not an English national and many things I translate thanks to paid translators (very reliable)). By the way, I am a precise user and if I realise I have made a mistake I correct it, in fact sometimes I check my edits from 10 months ago, and very few do that (maybe, I repeat, maybe, not even you). Having said that, I am sorry that you only notice my mistakes, and thus only the tip of the iceberg. I wish you a good night. JackkBrown (talk) 01:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , this will probably hurt your feelings, but I agree with and  in this matter. Most of the amendments you are aiming to make, while often technically correct, are in the context of Wikipedia fairly trivial (and I speak as a former professional editor who used to be meticulous about such matters when editing printed books and periodicals). No-one is going to look at any single stylistically errant word on Wikipedia and take it to be universally applicable: different publications have different styles; none of them is the 'one true way'.
 * Moreover, the scale of Wikipedia is such that you are in effect trying to bale out a lifeboat with a teaspoon.
 * My suggestion is that you stop this seemingly obsessive activity, find something else to do on Wikipedia or elsewhere, and resume in at least several months time after you have further passively studied both the (admittedly complex) MoS and other rules, and how the matters have been handled in articles that have GA and FA status, which ought to be entirely correct barring errors added post-assessment.
 * I think this would be good both for you and for the many editors who have tried and continue to try to help you. You are of course entirely free to ignore my advice. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.218.227.124 (talk) 05:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Terence Trent D'Arby
Reference help requested.

Thanks, Rockforlife (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I am trying to update the artist name to Sananda Maitreya (including the wikipedia URL) everywhere to reflect the current changes in all streaming platforms of the full discography, including album covers: i.e. https://music.apple.com/en/album/introducing-the-hardline-according-to-sananda-maitreya/250551726 Can you please help? Everytime I do a change somebody else randomly reverse it.
 * There is no consensus to change the name of the album. Most services call it Introducing the Hardline According to Terence Trent D'Arby, which was its name when it became a notable album. For example, AllMusic, which you changed inappropriately in this edit. ... disco spinster   talk  17:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Rotating galleries
Do we have them, or can it be done? I'm thinking it would be more egalitarian in not having to worry whar order a gallery is seen in (so one image never has precedence over another). On the other hand, the rotation wouldn't be printable (is that still a major concern nowadays?)   ——Serial  17:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The latter would be for me, as I sometimes print articles to show to others in person when doing so via the internet is not a useful option. My 85-y-o Father, for example, is not online and does not intend to become so. Also, some people still meet socially and pass around books, magazines, and printed-off academic papers and Wikipedia (etc.) articles of interest.
 * I suggest that it would also need to be possible to freeze the rotation at will, since otherwise one might not be able to view a particular image as long as one would like, without clicking to open it in a separate tab. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.218.227.124 (talk) 05:21, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure whether you want to vary which image is shown, or only vary where it is shown among other images. In either case, we don't do it in articles. Random slideshow and Transclude files as random slideshow are deliberately coded to not work in articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , no that's fine, I assumed as much—for the MOS:ACCESS reasons .124 mentions above. 14:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Copying references from a different language
Hi, is there an easy way to copy references from a different language version of Wikipedia? ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 17:56, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * All you need to work out is what template is being used, and use the en-Wiki version of that. The only other thing to remember is to use  and add the relevant language name. Mjroots (talk) 18:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well yes, but when copying it over, the parameters (ex. first/last name) are in a different language, so I was wondering if there was an easier way to copy it than manually translating the parts of the template. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 18:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are using cs1|2 templates (,, etc) there may be an auto-translator available. There are auto-translators for some non-English templates for these languages:
 * Catalan, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Italian, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish, Turkish
 * In general, the auto-translator will produce a correctly formatted cs1|2 template from the source that will get subst'd by AnomieBot. The translations are  perfect so it is on you to make sure that the rendered result is correct.  If the non-English template is supported by a translator, all you need to do is copy it from the source and paste it in the en.wiki article, preview, fix any errors, and publish.
 * If there isn't an auto-translator for your particular language, do us the courtesy of translating the template yourself so that others don't have to follow behind you cleaning up your mess.
 * Supported non-English templates are listed at Module:CS1 translator.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 19:01, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ok, thanks! ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 19:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to verify that the source supports your translation of the article as well ☺️ Folly Mox (talk) 19:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ofc. Thanks for the help! ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 19:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Trappist the monk, thank your for explaining the CS1 translator. Would it make sense to add a version of your answer to Help:Translation? The information seems hard to find if you don't already know about it. TSventon (talk) 00:03, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Go ahead.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Trappist the monk, I have added a section Help:Translation. It is closely based on what you wrote but feel free to improve it further. I checked Pages that link to "Module:CS1 translator" and they did not seem to include any other help pages. TSventon (talk) 16:18, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Trappist the monk, I have added a section Help:Translation. It is closely based on what you wrote but feel free to improve it further. I checked Pages that link to "Module:CS1 translator" and they did not seem to include any other help pages. TSventon (talk) 16:18, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

No longer able to access Newspapers.com Publisher Extra
I've had a subscription to Newspapers.com Publisher Extra for years through Wikipedia. I heavily rely on it for citations. I logged in today and searched but on every single newspaper result I click on, it says I don't have access to Publisher Extra and will need to pay.

How am I supposed to add citations when literally no single newspaper is available to me anymore? I need access restored asap, someone please help. SportsGuy789 (talk) 22:34, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @SportsGuy789: I had the same problem the other day. I see there's a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Newspapers.com that might be helpful.  I'll try it the next time I have the issue. GoingBatty (talk) 22:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I didn't realize it was a systemic issue. I hope it gets resolved quickly. SportsGuy789 (talk) 23:35, 24 November 2023 (UTC)