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Help
I am a Chinese Wikipedia user .I am writing ａ page on Chinese Wikipdia ,I need this image(File:Apollo 11 five ounce obverse.jpeg), but it is only on the English Wikipedia , so are there some people help me to move this image to wikimedia so that I can use it on Chinese Wikipedia? Hong Kaile (talk) 00:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It's fair use (which is copyright exception legal thing), so you'll need to make sure it falls under Chinese Wikipedia's non-free image use guidelines. From the technical standpoint, you should be able to just download the image then re-upload it at zh.wiki, unless there's a better way. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 00:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Hong Kaile: There's no need for you to download the image from Wikipedia, as the original is still located at the US Mint. GoingBatty (talk) 00:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks！ Hong Kaile (talk) 01:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Citing museum labels/wall text
Wondering whether or not museum labels and wall text are useable as citations per Wikipedia guidelines - if so, what is the proper citation template to use? I've searched for discussions about this/examples of proper citations, but I can't find much in the way of explanation. I'm assuming the proper template would be either cite sign, cite document, or cite object, but I'm not sure. Specifically thinking about using a wall label from the National Gallery of Art in DC that contains historical information about an artist's career. There were no citations on the label, but I have the entire text if it's needed for proper citation. Thanks! 19h00s (talk) 01:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * 19h00s Yes these are appropriate sources. I would treat it like an article on the museum's website. Template:Cite sign should work. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 03:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The one occasion that I've needed to quote something like that I simply used . Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

AfD not listed in the 2023 November 17 log.
On 17 Nov I nominated an article for AfD. The discussion was relisted but I can't find it in the November 17 log. Is this OK? Gitz (talk) (contribs) 02:52, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's now in the November 24 log. Relisted discussions get removed from the old log. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Good, thanks! Gitz (talk) (contribs) 03:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

android app
how do I set preferences and access my user page from android app ? 3MRB1 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I signed the question in android app..---... 3MRB1 (talk) 04:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC) (4 tildes)
 * @3MRB1: Hi there! If the answer isn't in mw:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ, you can ask at mw:Talk:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:19, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Busted common.js
I saw the humorous article WP:HTVC and I tried out the vandalism script (just to see if the Wikipedians who made it were JOKING), by way of putting it into my common.js file. But then I couldn't delete the script and save it! The "edit" button became a "vandalize" button, and there was no way to save my changes on the common.js file after. Can one of you admins please delete my common.js file so I can edit again? Ameerthewolf (talk to me 06:22, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ameerthewolf ✅, for future reference WP:SAFEMODE is helpful in these cases since it allows disabling the your custom javascript. Galobtter (talk) 06:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

News feed
2405:3800:868:E675:0:0:0:1 (talk) 09:08, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * See WP:ITN. Folly Mox (talk) 09:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I persuade someone remove the redirect Natrium and make a hidden redirect page to the chemical element Sodium.
Could you make the name Natrium not shown in the summary field in the heading, but sufficient for everyone to type Natrium and get the result: Sodium. Would be a lovely kindness of you to help me. 2001:EE0:4BC4:5DC0:74A5:B633:51B2:265D (talk) 11:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I am not entirely sure what you mean – the page (redirection disabled for that link) is already a redirect page. If you navigate to Natrium (that link is normal behaviour), you will be immediately redirected to Sodium. Tollens (talk) 11:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tollens, no, I mean to hide the box 'Natrium redirects here'. And in meantime, create a page with the redirect to keep the article polish and consistent. 2001:EE0:4BC4:5DC0:74A5:B633:51B2:265D (talk) 11:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's spot the difference when you read the heading box of the article Potassium even you entered Kalium. 2001:EE0:4BC4:5DC0:74A5:B633:51B2:265D (talk) 11:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The difference is that Kalium has no other meaning, whereas Natrium (disambiguation) is needed as there are other possible uses for the term "Natrium". Hence the hatnote on Sodium. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wait. I saw an effective way, you can make the heading box sound like In the Latin name, see Natrium (disambiguation) or something similar to that. 2001:EE0:4BC4:5DC0:74A5:B633:51B2:265D (talk) 12:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Users may enter "Natrium" in the search box and be taken directly to Sodium without cliking anything when they wanted something else like Natrium, West Virginia. That's why the top of Sodium has a socalled hatnote:
 * It's working as intended and we don't want to change it. It's not technically possible for our software to only display the hatnote if a user arrived at Sodium via the redirect Natrium. The redirect is created with code in the page . The hatnote does not create the redirect but merely informs the reader that there is a redirect. If there is no other plausible article they could have been looking for then we don't make a hatnote on the target page for redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's working as intended and we don't want to change it. It's not technically possible for our software to only display the hatnote if a user arrived at Sodium via the redirect Natrium. The redirect is created with code in the page . The hatnote does not create the redirect but merely informs the reader that there is a redirect. If there is no other plausible article they could have been looking for then we don't make a hatnote on the target page for redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Can I use miscellaneous reference desk for help on origin of unknown stuff (such as a movie clip, but I don’t know where it is from & when was it made)
Is it allowed or not allowed? Should I use the miscellaneous reference desk for help on unknown stuff (such as a clip from a movie, music video or TV show, but I don’t know where it was made, what language is it & when was it released)? —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 14:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The Industrial Me 1563 I would ask at Reference desk/Entertainment. TSventon (talk) 14:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Thanks for your help! —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 14:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi
I recently got the permission for reviewing drafts and was wondering how could I notify a user for moving his page from namespace to draftspace? zoglophie •talk• 14:30, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * WP:DRAFTIFY recommends using uw-articletodraft. Folly Mox (talk) 15:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In addition to the template above, it's often a good idea to leave a more personalized message explaining in your own words (rather than in a templated form) why you took the action that you took. I find people respond better to that than to what they rightly view as generic warnings, which they often don't realize were left by real people. However, leaving personal messages will slow down your reviewing. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 13:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Sharia
Should the term "sharia" be written in upper or lowercase? JackkBrown (talk) 14:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , I don't have an answer to that question, but since I know you value precision, the two English terms you'll want to be differentiating between are Title Case and sentence case. Or maybe I'm wrong, but those are terms we use around here a lot. Folly Mox (talk) 15:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In what version of English? Bazza (talk) 15:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , I suggest that you ask at Talk:Sharia. Search for "capitalization" in the talk page archive as the question has been raised before. TSventon (talk) 15:11, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

"connecting" two articles about the same topic, but in different languages
There are 2 "foreign" language articles that cover the same topic as an English article that I recently created:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canoe_Meadows_Wildlife_Sanctuary

https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canoe_Meadows_Wildlife_Sanctuary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canoe_Meadows_Wildlife_Sanctuary

The German and Cebuano articles link to each other in their sidebars, but my English article doesn't link to them. Is there a proper way of fixing this?

Thank you.

Pdanese (talk) 15:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Pdanese, articles on the same subject in different languages are linked through Wikidata. The de and ceb articles were linked to d:Q17490645 in Wikidata so I added the en article as well. TSventon (talk) 15:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Pdanese (talk) 15:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * One way to do this is via the "edit links" button below the "languages" section; this button leads to WikiData and you can then edit content in the "Wikipedia" box on the page that comes up. (edit conflict)
 * User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 15:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Pdanese, for older articles the articles may be linked to different Wikidata items. In that case the items can be merged, see the Wikidata help page: d:Help:Merge. It is important to check that all linked articles are on the same subject before merging the items. TSventon (talk) 15:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Request rollback (my edits)
Here: Maslaha. JackkBrown (talk) 15:42, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * JackkBrown using Twinkle or a manual revert you can restore an old version. It is not necessary to ask for a rollback. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 15:50, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I can't, because the versions overlapped. I would like to be sure that I have not made any mistakes, I don't trust manual revert very much. JackkBrown (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * JackkBrown I have restored the version before your edits by clicking on the version before your edits, clicking edit wikitext and then publish changes. TSventon (talk) 16:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Write article about a person who has directed short movies and is a filmmaker and journalist?
Can I write an article about a person who has directed almost 3 short movies and is a journalist and moviemaker? Please help find the answer Zahirdaud24 (talk) 18:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So...2 short movies? Do they meet WP:FILMMAKER. Do multiple reliable sources discuss them in depth? --Onorem (talk) 18:42, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The benchmark is significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Creating articles without fulfilling this requirement usually leads to the article being deleted very quickly. It's also important to to see the conflict of interest guidelines.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 18:44, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Zahirdaud24, per WP:N, what are the 3-5 best sources you can think of that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of the person and about the person in some detail? This excludes blogs, wikis, the person's websites, online bookstores etc etc etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There are 3 to 4 times mention of him on dawn news paper website which is based in Pakistan. Zahirdaud24 (talk) 17:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

What on earth is a printworthy redirect?
I've seen this before and I fail to understand it. All discussions about it link to this essay, which is nigh-incomprehensible. I've read it several times and I still don't get what exactly is and isn't printworthy. I know what "with possibilities" means, and I get what WP 1.0 is and the idea of that project so I don't need that explained to me, but what are the identifying factors that make a redirect classifiable as printworthy? PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's about whether it would be worth including in a huge alphabetically organized printed version of the encyclopedia where the equivalent of a redirect from X to Y would be a printed line like "X: See Y". My rough take is that if such a line would be unhelpful (for example because X and Y would be adjacent) or give a wrong impression that "X" is somehow valid then it's unprintworthy. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I get that in theory, but are there guidelines on what should and shouldn't be in a print encyclopedia? I'm surprised redirects would be included at all. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it's for an imaginary scenario where there is no cost to extra printing and readers shouldn't have to guess which title is used for an article they look for in an encyclopedia with many volumes. I have tried that. It's annoying. The English Wikipedia is far too large to print in any case, and I think offline digital versions are almost dead but I haven't followed the work. I suggest you ignore the whole issue. That's what I have always done when creating and tagging redirects, and I guess nearly everybody does. The printworthy/unprintworthy designation is very rarely chosen directly by an editor but by whether the redirect is tagged with something in Category:Templates for printworthy redirects or Category:Templates for unprintworthy redirects. I leave it for others to decide which redirect tags do what. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @PARAKANYAA Maybe some examples would be helpful. Wikipedia article names for medicines are almost always the International nonproprietary name, whereas many readers will look up brand names. Hence the latter will be printworthy and that's how Paxlovid is marked (in a hidden category, in that case): it redirects to nirmatrelvir/ritonavir. Similarly, Inderal to propranolol etc. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Michael D. Turnbull Quite helpful. This helped me understand it more. Thank you very much. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect literal meaning (maybe)
On this page, the meaning of the term "maṣlaḥa" is "public interest", but, according to this, "is frequently rendered as "public interest", although it is much closer in meaning to well-being, welfare, and social weal.": https://www.jstor.org/stable/3399225. Another question: in English it's spelled "wine-pourer" or "wine pourer"? I cannot find anything on Google. JackkBrown (talk) 23:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @JackkBrown: As I've mentioned before, the best place to discuss maslaha is the article's talk page, Talk:Maslaha. Also, "wine pourer" would not be hyphenated - try Googling "wine pourer". GoingBatty (talk) 01:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * or see ngrams. Maproom (talk) 11:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)