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Dear wikipedia Team Please Unblock My Website
Dear wikipedia Team Please Unblock My Website ( https://hindi whiz.com/) 2409:40E3:67:AE9A:D439:BE13:403B:7BC1 (talk) 04:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The website was recently added to the global blacklist. To request removal, see meta:Talk:Spam blacklist. GoingBatty (talk) 05:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @GoingBatty Note that MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist says that Requests from site owners or anyone with a conflict of interest will be declined, so the IP is unlikely to succeed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

STD vs STI?
A somewhat problematic editor whom I will not mention by name has gone on a spree of changing mentions of STDs to STIs. Is there actually any preference between one term or the other? Anonymous 04:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I recommend bringing this up at Talk:Sexually transmitted infection. There appears to be at least one thread there regarding whether STI or STD should have priority for naming purposes, though the name of the article may itself be an indicator. Cheers! DonIago (talk) 05:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @An anonymous username, not my real name: Hi there! The Wikipedia article on the subject is called "Sexually transmitted infection", and starts with "A sexually transmitted infection (STI), also referred to as a sexually transmitted disease (STD)...", which leads me to believe either one would correct.  The most important thing is that the usage in an article is clear.  STD is a redirect to Sexually transmitted infection, while STI is a disambiguation page with several other meanings.  The next most important thing would be consistency within a given article (but not necessarily across ALL articles).  Lastly, I would recommend using whatever the sources say.  Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:12, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Name of the 1775-1783 war
Please guide me in referring to “the military event which resulted in the formation of the United States”. I presume this question has come up many times. However, I can’t find an answer in MOS or MILMOS. I have read: Naming conventions (events) and Manual of Style/Military history

The question is especially relevant for British units and British soldiers. In those cases, service in America is only part of the story.

I have already run into the complexities such as the Seven Years’ War and the “sub-war” French and Indian War. Both names are used and the other normally mentioned as an alternative. The same situation seems to exist with the 1775-1783 war: a global war with a purely north american component. - I have also found: “The American Revolutionary War (April 19, 1775 – September 3, 1783), also known as the Revolutionary War or American War of Independence…”Does that mean all three of these names are allowed in articles, but no other? - If the name refers only to north america, what is the name of the global conflict? - A standard for such wars seems to be “ War of Independence”; hence, we have the American War of Independence. Britons of that time seem to have referred to it as “the American War”. Modern Americans usually call it the American Revolutionary War. - names change. I have come across articles referring to The Great War, meaning 1914-1919. But the Republic/Napoleonic war of 1789-1815 was also called The Great War for years afterward.

If it isn’t documented, I’d like to hear from experienced neutral editors. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 08:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Humphrey Tribble your main question is a bit specific for a general helpdesk, but it is always relevant to check what reliable sources call a subject. The names in the first sentence of an article are not necessarily a complete list and may change as the article is edited. Places you could ask for more specialist advice include
 * Talk:American Revolutionary War, where there are discussions of the name in the talk page archive
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history
 * Reference desk/Humanities
 * Try one at a time to avoid splitting the discussion. TSventon (talk) 14:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Humphrey Tribble: Or try having the discussion in one of the places suggested by TSventon, and then post invitations in the other locations providing a link to where the conversation is being held. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:32, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Help tagging a user page for CSD U2
I tried to request this page for speedy deletion but it was blocked by the abuse filter. The username did not being used and it is not a format of IP username. Please help me tagging db-u2 to this page. Thank you. 132.234.229.149 (talk) 08:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌: The username was previously used per here. 49.197.224.97 (talk) 08:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

move page
How a page can get moved. On this page the given name was wrong. The only thing to do now is to move the page itself:

Louis Deloy Nobswolf (talk) 10:32, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't need the whole url when linking to another Wikipedia article or page. You may request a move at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 10:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Collapseable option of Template:Argo Navis
Could any turn the current Template:Argo Navis to ? I plan to make to something else. 117daveawesome (talk) 07:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you want but and  call the same template Argo Navis with a different value of the   parameter. The only difference is whether the template is initially collapsed with a "show" link" or expanded with a "hide" link when the page loads. The content is identical and should remain identical. If you want a template with different content on some pages while keeping the old template available then you can make a new template with another name. It's also possible but more complicated to add a new parameter like   to the existing template like COVID-19 pandemic. Such an option should just be for omitting some content, not for the large current differences between Argo Navis and User:117daveawesome/testing. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Changing a Photograph in an article
The photo in the article on me was taken by my husband at our wedding and is inappropriate for a professional woman's biography. I would like to substitute another photograph he took recently that looks more professional. HOW do I do that please? I am not very adept at Wikipedia methods so the clearer the directions the better. Thank you very much. Barbara Bloemink Barbara Bloemink (talk) 14:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The easiest way to add an image of you is for you to take a selfie with your phone and upload it yourself. If your husband takes the photo, he must be the one to upload it under his account. See WP:UPIMAGE for more information about this process.
 * Note that in most cases you shouldn't be directly editing the article about you, but you may make formal edit requests on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 14:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also answered at Help_desk/Archives/2023_November_5. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Where do I make suggestions about the wikipedia notification system?
Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 15:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Probably at the Village Pump. 331dot (talk) 15:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Help
Hi, long time ago i made a wikipedia page for my old account Mkboss yt W.SK (also the name of the page), i dont have access to that account anymore because email that i registered on doesnt even exist anymore. please delete this page, when i search up my name that page comes up and i am embarrassed by it, there is my full name there. at least edit the page so there isnt my name please. i dont know what to do. MkIsOk (talk) 15:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Can you link to the page at issue? 331dot (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems to be on Slovak sk Wikipedia, so MkIsOk would need to ask there. TSventon (talk) 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * is there support or forum or something for slovakia wiki? can you please send link🙏 MkIsOk (talk) 15:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * https://sk.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Redaktor:Mkboss_yt_W.SK&oldid=6475317 MkIsOk (talk) 15:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, you need to ask this on the Slovak Wikipedia- we can only help with issues on the English Wikipedia. I do not know the Slovak language so I can't find the appropriate forum for you. 331dot (talk) 16:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Possibly Wikipédia:Potrebujem pomoc.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 16:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Slovak version of this page is sk:Wikipédia:Potrebujem pomoc. You could translate your query via Google translate or similar and post it there. They were helpful when I visited their helpdesk a few days ago. TSventon (talk) 16:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Table markup
Hey all, sorry, but if anyone could advise, I'd appreciate it. I think the drawing, un-da Vinci-like as it is, indicates what I want—can anyone help with the markup? Just one line would be fine! Cheers,  ——Serial  17:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)   ——Serial  17:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't think of column C being split: think of pairs of cells in all the other columns being merged.
 * {| class="wikitable"

! A ! B ! C ! D ! E ! F
 * rowspan="2" | A1
 * rowspan="2" | B1
 * C1A
 * rowspan="2" | D1
 * rowspan="2" | E1
 * rowspan="2" | F1
 * C1B
 * rowspan="2" | A2
 * rowspan="2" | B2
 * C2A
 * rowspan="2" | D2
 * rowspan="2" | E2
 * rowspan="2" | F2
 * C2B
 * rowspan="2" | A3
 * rowspan="2" | B3
 * C3A
 * rowspan="2" | D3
 * rowspan="2" | E3
 * rowspan="2" | F3
 * C3B
 * }Bazza (talk) 19:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely perfect, —sorry I'm such a dullard! I appreciate the work :)    ——Serial  17:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * err, sorry, I just realised I asked for completely the wrong thing. I don't think dullard quite expresses it... I wanted col C to be vertically split (or not merged?), rather than horizontally, as my image shows. Completely bizarre behaviour by my brain. Apologies, but could you help?  ——Serial  18:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This?
 * {| class="wikitable"
 * C3B
 * }Bazza (talk) 19:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely perfect, —sorry I'm such a dullard! I appreciate the work :)    ——Serial  17:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * err, sorry, I just realised I asked for completely the wrong thing. I don't think dullard quite expresses it... I wanted col C to be vertically split (or not merged?), rather than horizontally, as my image shows. Completely bizarre behaviour by my brain. Apologies, but could you help?  ——Serial  18:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This?
 * {| class="wikitable"

! A ! B ! colspan="2" | CA ! D ! E ! colspan="2" | CC
 * AA
 * BB
 * BB
 * DD
 * EE
 * A1
 * B1
 * C1A
 * C1B
 * D1
 * E1
 * A2
 * B2
 * C2A
 * C2B
 * D2
 * E2
 * A3
 * B3
 * C3A
 * C3B
 * D3
 * E3
 * }Bazza (talk) 19:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Or more like this?
 * {| class="wikitable"
 * }Bazza (talk) 19:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Or more like this?
 * {| class="wikitable"

! A ! B ! colspan="2" | C ! D ! E ! colspan="2" | C1
 * colspan="2" | A1B1
 * colspan="2" | A1B1
 * D1
 * E1
 * A2
 * B2
 * C2A
 * C2B
 * D2
 * E2
 * A3
 * B3
 * C3A
 * C3B
 * D3
 * E3
 * A4
 * B4
 * C4A
 * C4B
 * D4
 * E4
 * } GoingBatty (talk) 20:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Serial Number 54129: There are some tools at Help:Table that you might find helpful. GoingBatty (talk) 20:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * yes, morelike. But it's not Bazza's fault—I uploaded another copy of the image (which you've just used) after he did all his work. Unfortunately I've now uploaded yet another version (the last 2 cells in row 2 being merged). I am a complete idiot. It took me about six drawings in the end to work out what I actually wanted and now my red pen has nearly run out!  ——Serial  20:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm still playing catchup with our customer.
 * @Serial Number 54129: In essence, if a cell needs to span two columns, it needs a colspan="2" added to it. And if a cell needs to span two rows, it needs a rowspan="2" added to it. That applies to "normal" cells as well as header cells. You should be able to get what you need from the examples above! Bazza (talk) 20:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Serial Number 54129: I should have added: do not be disheartened at finding this troublesome: tables in HTML (and therefore Wiki markup) are counterintuitive and many people have difficulty getting merging cells round their head to begin with. Bazza (talk) 20:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not generally a fan of VisualEditor but it's good at merging table cells. Just drag the mouse over them and click "Merge". Remember that "splitting" a cell is not a thing. Make enough cells from the beginning and then merge where wanted. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Serial Number 54129: In essence, if a cell needs to span two columns, it needs a colspan="2" added to it. And if a cell needs to span two rows, it needs a rowspan="2" added to it. That applies to "normal" cells as well as header cells. You should be able to get what you need from the examples above! Bazza (talk) 20:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Serial Number 54129: I should have added: do not be disheartened at finding this troublesome: tables in HTML (and therefore Wiki markup) are counterintuitive and many people have difficulty getting merging cells round their head to begin with. Bazza (talk) 20:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not generally a fan of VisualEditor but it's good at merging table cells. Just drag the mouse over them and click "Merge". Remember that "splitting" a cell is not a thing. Make enough cells from the beginning and then merge where wanted. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

...and I've managed to tie up the desk space and time of the entire technical help desk night shift! I am really so sorry, guys. But you've been great! I got there in the end. As Holmes said, "What a man you are for climbing a stile Watson, once your leg has been placed firmly on the other side". That's me, and that was my leg. Thanks, everyone! (Good advice : next time I'll just lay out loads of squares and then remove what I don't need?). ——Serial 20:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think, this is what I wanted... and how proud am I :)

Is the draft history removed when an article is finally moved to public space?
I'm creating an article as a draft and saving (publishing) as I go, so the history is pretty meaningless. Is it lost when the article finally goes public, and if not automatically, can it be? Ceperman (talk) 19:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Generally, article history is not tampered with except in serious circumstances, and it is not erased by a move from draftspace to articlespace—it may seem meaningless to you, but you could be surprised how others may find it helpful in the future! :) Remsense  留  19:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is one possibility: Other sites often make undated copies of Wikipedia articles without crediting the source as required by our license. Later there may be doubt who copied who and the Wikipedia article risks being deleted as a suspected copyright violation. An early page history showing gradual development is great evidence that Wikipedia came first. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Duplicate Article?
Are these two duplicate articles? Thanks! 2601:45:403:ABC0:3B8F:7B3B:6606:D8B8 (talk) 20:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Mobile virtual network operator
 * Virtual network operator


 * Looks like it. Great catch! ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 22:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

"Forum" or "forum"?
I don't understand why on the Forum Romanum page the term "Forum" (I'm not referring to "Roman Forum" and "Forum Romanum" but only to the term "Forum") is written with a capital initial, whereas on the Comitium page it's written with a lowercase initial. I don't ask on the Comitium page, as per your advice, because no one answers me. JackkBrown (talk) 21:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's less than 20 hours since you posed the question at Talk:Comitium. For some editors it can easily be a couple of days between sessions, so it is a bit unreasonable to complain that "no one answers me" after such a short time. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "the Forum" is a shorter name for the Roman Forum or Forum Romanum, a specific forum with "Forum" in the name. "the forum" indicates some forum which could have had any name. In many sentences in Forum Romanum, both forms could have been chosen without either being wrong but maybe it would be better to be more systematic and always say "the Forum" in that article. Other articles don't mention Forum Romanum dozens of times and it's more natural to use the full name instead of a shortened name, while they can still say "the forum" when they mean the type of place and not the name of a specific forum. I hope that makes sense. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * great, I will save this message. What would you have used on the Comitium page? I have always used lowercase. You are free to edit the page if you see fit, I take no offence, in fact I am happy if capital letter is more correct on this page. JackkBrown (talk) 22:10, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't use "the Forum" there, and it doesn't. A mix of "Forum Romanum" and "the forum" is OK to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * it was me who wrote "forum" with a lowercase initial on the Comitium page, whereas before on the Consortium page "forum" was written with both upper and lowercase initials. However, if that's OK with you, fine, no need to change it. JackkBrown (talk) 22:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

What does this mean?
When looking at a pages views this message appears: Error querying Pageviews API - Not Found

The page is The Troubles in Ulster (1920-1923) Thanks Palisades1 (talk) 22:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It means the page does not exist, in this case at least. Tollens (talk) 22:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

the correct page is The Troubles in Ulster (1920-1922)

Palisades1 (talk) 22:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * That page was moved to its current title today – because that tool doesn't use live data it doesn't know the page exists yet. The old title does have data, see . Tollens (talk) 22:52, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. Palisades1 (talk) 22:54, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that the page in question is The Troubles in Ulster (1920-1922), not 1923, which has never existed. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 22:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, The Troubles in Ulster (1920–1922) was moved there today. Tollens (talk) 23:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)