Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2023 November 8

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Additional information
Hi, I read an article on Wikipedia and have some additional information to add. The source is that I personally know someone involved with the topic so the information is first hand. How do I submit this information to you for consideration to be included? Thank you Eagle702 (talk) 00:02, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * All information in Wikipedia articles must come from published reliable sources. First hand information is not accepted.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , the relevant policy is No original research. Cullen328 (talk) 00:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Gianni Morandi
I would very much like to insert the "Honours" and "Recognitions" within the Gianni Morandi page, but there already seems to be a paragraph saying "Honours". The problem is that in the it.wiki (it:Gianni_Morandi) page, all honours are different from those on en.wiki; I wouldn't know how to go about it, you in en.wiki which honours and recognitions do you consider valid? JackkBrown (talk) 00:27, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , I see no problem. "You in en-wiki" is the wrong way to think. You know more about Italy than the vast majority of English Wikipedia editors. You are presumably conversant with reliable sources in Italian, and the quality of the coverage is all-important. This is a matter of good editorial judgment, and you are better positioned than anyone I know to make that decision. Cullen328 (talk) 00:39, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The biggest problem I see is that the "Riconoscimenti" (awards) section in the Italian Wikipedia is almost entirely unsourced. If you add those awards to the English article, you will need to add sources for it.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:44, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I have added the honours (first paragraph created by me), with the right size pictures, two references and all the rest. Obviously the awards (second paragraph created by me) are randomly placed, I'll leave them there waiting for someone to put them right, alternatively I'll try to do it myself in the afternoon. JackkBrown (talk) 01:36, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Mobile nulledit
Does anyone know how to perform a nulledit on a mobile device? Andumé (talk) 00:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The link says to edit and then hit the publish button with no changes. You should be able to do that on mobile.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:36, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No, unfortunately the mobile editor doesn't let you publish without making any changes. Andumé (talk) 00:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Try switching to desktop, there should be a link at the botton of the page RudolfRed (talk) 00:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That works (it was the method I used earlier), but I was hoping there would be a way to do it without switching to desktop. Thanks anyway. Andumé (talk) 04:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:I Am Andumé, the mobile editing interface should let you tap Publish if you insert a single character and then backspace over it. Folly Mox (talk) 02:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Weirdly enough, that works. Thanks! Andumé (talk) 02:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Joanna Miłosz - Piekarska
probuje zrobic wpis/nowa strone poetki Joanny Miłosz-Piekarskiej i nie potrafie, czy jest ktos kto moze mi pomoc? Joanna jest Corka Andrzeja Miłosz i bratanica Czeslawa Miłosz Autorka ksiazek : Czerwony Pyl, Wiersze Australijskie oraz inne, Wszystkie Czasy Przeszle, W Krasnogrudzie i inne wiersze

https://ksiazki.wp.pl/joanna-milosz-piekarska-6150176016828033c https://lubimyczytac.pl/autor/213199/joanna-milosz-piekarska SenWariata (talk) 02:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Google Translate offers:
 * I'm trying to create an entry/new website for the poet Joanna Miłosz-Piekarska and I can't, is there anyone who can help me? Joanna is the daughter of Andrzej Miłosz and niece of Czeslawa Miłosz. Author of the following books: Czerwony Pyl, Wiersze Australijskie and others, All Times Past, In Krasnogruda and other poems
 * SenWariata, if you'd like to do this in English-language Wikipedia, please ask here in English, specifying the kind of help you want. If you'd like to do it in Polish-language Wikipedia, please try somewhere in Spis_treści. -- Hoary (talk) 03:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You're asking about en:Wikipedia, SenWariata. I have deleted the previous "Draft:Joanna Miłosz-Piekarska" (which was in Polish) and moved the mistitled "Draft:Joann Miłosz-Piekarska" to "Draft:Joanna Miłosz-Piekarska", as you requested on your talk page. NB your subject (an author) has at least one very eminent relative, but information about eminent relatives is far less important in a Wikipedia article about an author than are descriptions of the author's own work, based on descriptions by literary historians, critics, journalists, or book reviewers (but not on interviews). -- Hoary (talk) 05:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. This is very helpful.
 * Is there anything else I should be doing? Should the links be in English? I have found a few but they are in Polish:
 * https://lubimyczytac.pl/autor/213199/joanna-milosz-piekarska
 * https://polskieradio24.pl/130/6808/artykul/3012337,joanna-miloszpiekarska-bycie-bratanica-czeslawa-milosza-mialo-wplyw-na-moje-zycie
 * https://ksiazki.wp.pl/joanna-milosz-piekarska-6150176016828033c SenWariata (talk) 03:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @SenWariata: Per the section NONENG under the verifiability policy, sources do not need to be in English, though if equivalent English variants exist those are preferred. You should also reference your sources as inline citations so that readers understand what information is being taken from which source. For more information on that I recommend reading Easier referencing for beginners. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * SenWariata, you could and I think should be a lot more informative: (1) For each of Miłosz-Piekarska's published books: (i) When was it first published, where, and by which company? (ii) Is it prose, is it poetry, does it have some prose and some poetry, or is it a hybrid of prose and poetry ("prose-poems", etc)? (iii) If it can be said to be about something, then what's it about? (iv) Has it been translated into English; and if so, then what's the title and what are the publication details? (v) If it hasn't been translated into English, then how might one translate its title? (Be careful not to suggest that this is the title of an actual published book.) (vi) If it hasn't been translated into English (and perhaps even if it has), then what translations into French, German, Spanish, etc have appeared? (vii) How has it been reviewed in newspapers and the like? (Please ignore mere blurbs.) (2) Few authors live off their writing; what has been Miłosz-Piekarska's job or source of income? (3) Has she been affiliated with some university? (4) Why does she live in Australia? (5) Has her writing been the subject of academic papers? If so, and if these papers are lucid and valuable -- unfortunately, plenty of academic writing about lit is dutiful kowtowing to philosophasters and mere obscurantism -- then who has said what about her writing? And more.... -- Hoary (talk) 08:56, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Help finding Essay
Is there an essay about how editing Wikipedia can be terrible all the time. With the content being like ArbCom making worse decisions than North Korea and something like that. I distinctly remember reading such an essay but could have remembered wrongly. Lightoil (talk) 04:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Lightoil Should be in Category:Wikipedia essays about arbitration but I don't immediately see one mentioning N Korea. There are plenty of other rants, though! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:02, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Problem when logging in
For some reason today i cannot search wikipedia when logged in using Firefox (78.15.0esr). It was working fine yesterday. Accessing through Chrome works fine. Alanbfrey (talk) 11:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It's OK for me today, Alanbfrey, using Firefox version 119.0. -- Hoary (talk) 11:26, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * the digital gods are punishing me, yet again, for not upgrading my hardware (that in turn prevents me from upgrading Firefox). Alanbfrey (talk) 11:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The search box at top of pages is sometimes reduced to a magnifying glass icon until you click it. You can also try Special:Search. Does that help? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:11, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks. i always click on the icon but it just wouldn't respond. after shutting down the computer and re-booting it has recovered. thanks again. Alanbfrey (talk) 15:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Search box
The Search Box is missing again. This is the third time I have had to advise you of this in a month. Perhaps it disappears when the "Ask for donations" request is added or removed??? 90.255.167.153 (talk) 13:10, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The search box may be collapsible- see if there is a magnifying glass on the screen; clicking it should reveal the search box. Its presence has nothing to do with the donation request banners.  If you create an account, you can turn off the donation request banners in the account preferences. 331dot (talk) 13:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As you're an IP, you should be on the Vector 2022 skin. If you're at the top of the page, the search bar should be at the top in the centre of the page. If you scroll down from there a sticky header will appear, and search becomes a [[file:OOjs UI icon search-ltr.svg|link=]] icon on the far left that you can click on to expand. Alternatively, if you're using a Windows computer you can use the key combination Alt to make it active. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tenryuu, FYI, the sticky header isn't a thing for IPs. 57.140.16.7 (talk) 18:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Just tested it out and it doesn't exist. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:54, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If you are using a browser on a PC, the box is collapsed into just the Icon when the window is narrow, and expands again to a full box when you widen the window. Try it right now on this window. -Arch dude (talk) 18:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Translated page not connected to the original?
Hi, I translated the page I am what I am (2022 film) from japanese (ja:そばかす (2022年の映画), but the pages don't seem to be connected? How can I make it so that one can switch from english to japanese or vice versa on the pages? Mek-laa-ni (talk) 13:21, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Mek-laa-ni, see Help:Interlanguage links. The language links are in the left sidebar in the old skin and at the top and to the right in the newer Vector 2022. In this case both articles have wikidata items, Q120333222 and Q122902027, so the items need to be merged to link the en and ja articles. TSventon (talk) 13:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Mek-laa-ni, I recommend using the merge gadget, see d:Help:Merge, which creates a redirect on one of the items. I have redone the merge for the film. TSventon (talk) 14:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Mek-laa-ni (talk) 14:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Prosciutto; paragraph: "See also"
On the page "Prosciutto", in the paragraph "See also", jamón serrano, jamón ibérico, presunto pata negra and presunto, as these are uncommon foods, and also on their respective pages they are placed in italics, I wanted to make them italicised in this paragraph as well, but there is no way to do this. I tried, but the description is also rendered in italics. JackkBrown (talk) 21:43, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please read Template:Annotated link. Cullen328 (talk) 21:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * one more thing: the wikilink "jamón serrano" doesn't perfectly refer to the paragraph where "jamón serrano" is mentioned, there should be an error somewhere. JackkBrown (talk) 21:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The problem has not been solved. The description still remained in italics. JackkBrown (talk) 21:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @JackkBrown You need to use more parameters in annotated link to control how text is displayed. Bazza (talk) 22:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, in an average week you put X hours into attempts to regularize the use of capitals and italics. If you instead spent just X/4 hours on referencing under-referenced articles, Wikipedia would be a better place, in my (perhaps minority) opinion. 126.158.255.241 (talk) 22:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear IP, I did this kind of work on the Gianni Morandi page. Anyway, you are a little bit right. JackkBrown (talk) 22:39, 8 November 2023 (UTC)