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Martineau family
Reference number 10 is wrong - please fix - I have to remove/closedown this device. Thank you in advance. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 00:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅. The reference wasn't wrong and the date had a typo. The year in the citation read "20023". Didn't you notice it?
 * While I appreciate your contributions, you've made many similar requests in the past like and . Regards. 🛧 Midori No Sora♪ 🛪 (  ☁＝☁＝✈  ) 02:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Israel
Israel is a country founded in 1948. Wiki has allowed some editor to revise this fact today, stating that the entire nation is a disputed territory. That is not appropriate and I’m not sure how this is allowed on the platform. Slcdann (talk) 02:13, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Please consider discussing this on the article's talk page. 🛧 Midori No Sora♪ 🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈  ) 02:21, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Colours
How does one change the colour of the text in the source text? I am attempting to form dynastical family trees for European monarchies (Merovingians, Carolingians, Holy Roman Emperors, etc.) and I want to mark different reigns with different colours. Some rulers, like Chlothar I (r. 511 – 561 in Soissons), ruled multiple kingdoms. The different colours would help with visibility, but I cannot seem to find a way to change the colour.

Doctor Alex (talk · contributions · sandbox) 09:04, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Blocky44: Using different colours to impart information does not help people who cannot distinguish one from another. See MOS:COLOR.
 * If this refers to the experiment in your sandbox, then you could consider placing each family in a divbox, paying due regard to ensuring the background colour does not unduly affect the text's legibility. (Separately, note the guidelines on using bold text.) Bazza (talk) 09:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help. Doctor Alex (talk · contributions · sandbox) 16:49, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, so according to those, I should just undefined for coloured text because it's only for people similar to reviewers (and myself) to view [because it's on my sandbox]? Those guidelines say not to do something like this:
 * Person (Birth–Death) (Reign–Reign)
 * Person 2 (Birth–Death) (Reign–Reign)
 * – and instead do this?
 * Person (b. Birth–d. Death) – Title of Place (Reign–Reign) as Person II – Title of Place (Reign–Reign) as Person III
 * That seems really clunky.
 * Doctor Alex (talk · contributions · sandbox) 06:50, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Blocky44: You may do what you wish in your sandbox; I understood your question to be related to article content.
 * Your layout above is confusing, because I wouldn't know what bold text means. There are templates you can use to get shorthand: for example, Person (Birth–Death, (r. Reign – Reign)). Bazza (talk) 09:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Holy Roman Emperors were elected. Ok, the electors often chose a member of the same family as the previous emperor, but it was not intrinsically a dynastic position. Maproom (talk) 11:16, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, but most of them fit into dynasties. My thing is just for dynasties, not titles. Doctor Alex (talk · contributions · sandbox) 16:48, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Blocky44: You may do what you wish in your sandbox; I understood your question to be related to article content.
 * Your layout above is confusing, because I wouldn't know what bold text means. There are templates you can use to get shorthand: for example, Person (Birth–Death, (r. Reign – Reign)). Bazza (talk) 09:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Holy Roman Emperors were elected. Ok, the electors often chose a member of the same family as the previous emperor, but it was not intrinsically a dynastic position. Maproom (talk) 11:16, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, but most of them fit into dynasties. My thing is just for dynasties, not titles. Doctor Alex (talk · contributions · sandbox) 16:48, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Tree Chart in mobile view
Dear Help desk, I often include family trees in biohraphic articles. I do them always in the same way. They look fine on my laptop, but not in mobile view. I tried to see what it is that causes problems in mobile view but could not find it. Please have a look at Antoine Hamilton, Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty, or other biographies with family trees. With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 09:53, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Johannes Schade: Hi there! I suggest asking at Template talk:Tree chart to engage those more familiar with the template.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Is there a way to make an image size a % of the width of the page rather than ?00px
Hi all

I'm working on a help page guide with images which I obviously want to work for people with different screens but I also want the image to be big (maybe 50% of the page width) consistently. Is there a way to do this? I've looked on Extended image syntax but there's nothing in there. Any suggestions?

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 17:21, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @John Cummings I think you should read Help:Pictures. Among other things it says In general, do not define the size of an image unless there is a good reason to do so. It does provide several options using the |upright= parameter. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:22, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi thanks, yes I read that page, yes I understand that in articles its a bad idea generally to mess with image sizes, but this is for instructions/guidance on a help page where I need big images. I've read the upright image stuff and as far as I understand this metric is basically the same as px, as in you're defining a specific size, rather than making it a percentage of a page width. Are there any other pages you could think of that might provide that info? Thanks again, John Cummings (talk) 13:24, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @John Cummings Sorry, that's where my knowledge runs out. You could ask the folk at WP:VPT. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:19, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @John Cummings You could have a play around with scalable image with flex columns.


 * Bazza (talk) 18:29, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * , wow thats amazing, exactly what I need :) Might come back begging for help if I get stuck. John Cummings (talk) 19:33, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Women's Volleyball 1984 schedules
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volleyball_at_the_1984_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_tournament

Can you fix the corrections of the schedule of Women's Volleyball at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics? 108.21.67.83 (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You've asked this several times, but without any detail. What is wrong and what needs to be fixed?   RudolfRed (talk) 18:51, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The Semifinals is on August 5, not August 6, and the Bronze Medal and the Gold Medal finals for Women's Volleyball at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics need to make corrections. The competition schedules. 108.21.67.83 (talk) 23:01, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi there! The best place to request corrections to the Volleyball at the 1984 Summer Olympics – Women's tournament article is its associated talk page: Talk:Volleyball at the 1984 Summer Olympics – Women's tournament.  Be sure to include reliable published sources to support the changes you are suggesting.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:15, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Request for a map?
Hi, is there any project that would work on preparing a map to be added to Wikimedia Commons? I do a lot with respect to the Province of Canada, which existed from 1841 to 1867, but there is no good map of it on Wikimedia Commons. There are some contemporary maps, but they're old and sepia coloured, so don't stand out well on computer displays. I don't know if there's a group that works on making new maps? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 18:29, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I looked at WikiProject_Maps and it looks like the page to request new maps is Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop RudolfRed (talk) 19:37, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * You might find somebody at WP:WPMAPS that would be interested. ColinFine (talk) 19:36, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. I'll try both spots. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mr Serjeant Buzfuz James Wyld's map is available at this URL. Anything that old will be out of copyright. The Huntington.org's T&C are here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:52, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

I need assistance with another user who is upset about history being properly inserted
In the Native American/ Indigenous community we have gone to update history in our lands. I added the proper history of the land through records both federal and indigenous. During indigenous month we have an initiative to update history to our native land. Magnolia677 instead of contacting me so I can at least give her understanding she reverted the added information. We DID NOT remove the excerpt, but only added the native, initial, and true history of the land before colonization, which is history.

May you assist! JoiBrown (talk) 18:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Your addition to Kinston,_North_Carolina did not include any citations (references) to reliable sources, which is required. See WP:REFB for some help on how to do that.  Also, based on your comment on your user talk page, the essay WP:TRUTH may be relevent.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:49, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @JoiBrown Thank you for reaching out to the help desk., I understand why you reverted JoiBrown's addition (I'll get to that in a minute), but why start out with a level 2 vandalism warning on what appears to be a good faith contribution from a brand new user?
 * Back to your contribution, JoiBrown...
 * You say you obtained this information "through records both federal and indigenous", however you did not cite your sources. It's pretty common around here for the addition of completely unsourced material to be reverted on sight.  This page can help you learn how to cite sources, as the technical aspects of that can be a little tricky for new users.
 * You say things like "we have gone to update history" and "Our agency is going and adding the truth to these postings". If you are doing this as part of your job, you 'must read and comply with our paid editing policy.  Let me know if you have questions about that.
 * ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 18:53, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If you read the text, it sounds like one of those wacky stories kids add to the history section of their high school Wikipedia article. No source, and a one-edit editor, compounded that. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There's certainly something odd about the added text. A settlement created in 1762 was "traced back" to a couple married in 1920? Its name was changed "in memory of Dr. Martin Luther King" - in 1849? 57.140.16.56 (talk) 20:19, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I didn't mention it above, but it was confusing and poorly-written. However, with proper sourcing, that can be fixed. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * One more point, JoiBrown, in addition to what others have said: this is how Wikipedia is supposed to work: somebody makes an edit, somebody else thinks it is not an improvement and reverts it, and then they discuss. See WP:BRD. (Though I agree that calling your edit vandalism was not appropriate). ColinFine (talk) 19:41, 11 October 2023 (UTC)