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Two pages about the same topic
Hi,

I was looking at de-orphaning Rise & Fall (Michael Molly and Alex Evans song) and I realized that the last name of the first person was misspelled and should read Molloy. I tried to change the title to correct the spelling, only to find out that Rise & Fall (Michael Molloy and Alex Evans song) already exists as a redirect. Obviously the article and the redirect should not both exist and we need to decide which one to keep. What is the right solution and the easiest way to implement it? ~ Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:02, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Ruud Buitelaar, now fixed, I hope. -- Hoary (talk) 08:36, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Hoary! Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Referencing errors on AMV (TV station)
Reference help requested.

Can members of WP:AUSTV please improve the Missing title references on the AMV (TV station) article, which I put into the article?

Thanks, Yours sincerely, TechGeek105 (his talk page) 03:06, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a strange place in which to ask members of a particular WikiProject to do something. But I see that back in July you asked them, on their talk page, to do it. I'm not surprised by their inaction. A year ago, you added defective references. I don't know why -- as you'd already been editing for years, it was hardly inexperience -- but perhaps you had some reason. The obvious editor to fix the deficit is you. Maybe there's some reason why you can't do this; you might be more persuasive if, on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian television, you gave the reason. -- Hoary (talk) 08:17, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand, the reason why I can't do this regularly is because in my personal life I do loads of schoolwork at my Canberra home, I will only do this when I finish most of my schoolwork. Yours sincerely, TechGeek105 (his talk page) 09:50, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I have asked the WikiProject just now. Yours sincerely, TechGeek105 (his talk page) 10:01, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * User:TechGeek105, if you're having trouble citing sources properly due to lack of time from schoolwork, I'd suggest adding correctly filled out citations that are fewer in number, rather than a larger amount of citations causing template errors due to incompleteness and creating cleanup work for other editors. Folly Mox (talk) 13:55, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

How do I nominate an article for deletion?
I want to nominate an article for deletion, but don’t know how. Could someone help me please? Thank you! 98.97.33.196 (talk) 09:19, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Read the WP:Deletion policy, and the Guide to deletion. Mathglot (talk) 09:23, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you don't have an account. There are a few methods of deletion.  A full deletion discussion, see WP:AFDHOWTO(as a user without an account you will need help from someone with an account, but can still do it); Speedy deletion if the specific criteria are met, and Proposed deletion for uncontroversial deletions that aren't speedy deletions. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

What kind of edit count are RfA's submitted at?
I know all about how edit counts aren't that important but what kind of benchmark are admins sitting. Do people get adminship with 1,000 edits? 5,000? I just don't want to submit an RfA without the right things (to avoid embarrassment) - JacobTheRox (talk ) 09:45, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * JacobTheRox, you could read Advice for RfA candidates, which is an essay rather than policy and says less than 10,000 edits may be regarded as low. What you do with the edits is more important than the raw number. TSventon (talk) 10:07, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Less than 10,000 has happened, but also, on the other side, users with significantly more have been denied due to a lack of experience. Pure edit counts aren't the be all and end all. If you want further info on your particular chances, see the poll at WP:ORFA.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:31, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Bookmarked. Is the main event still pencilled in for early next year? Cheers,  SN54129  12:19, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Serial Number 54129 I have been staring at your message for five minutes trying to work out how sarcastic you're being. Currently, I'm estimating it at "off the charts". But on a serious note my understanding is that successful RfA's come from the community liking the person and them making a big contribution to a particular place. Not the edit count. So I'm hoping I'll have a good enough reputation by the time I submit it that people won't oppose (and will hopefully support). JacobTheRox (talk ) 12:47, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies, . Not really sarcasm, just a gentle ribbing :)  I often support an underdog, and as you say, reputation is important. For knowing policy and guidelines (as well as when not to obey them), fairness, politeness without passive-aggression, avoidance of cliques and drahmaz, and experience, a reputation for these qualities will take you much further, more quickly, than just edit count. *thumbs up emoji*    SN54129  12:56, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , here are the edit counts for the four most recent administrators to pass RfA:
 * theleekycauldron - 36,093 edits
 * Pppery - 69,221 edits
 * Firefangledfeathers - 23,269 edits
 * Novem Linguae - 39,582 edits
 * Admittedly, these are today's counts, but all four of these editors became administrators in the last three months. I am sorry if this sounds negative and your work so far is appreciated, but you currently have 548 edits. If you want to become an administrator, you will need to step up your game dramatically. Cullen328 (talk) 19:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

How to create a page name, which I mean is an article name by source editing only.
Give me instructions about how to add a page name. Thanks. Technobladex (talk) 10:49, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Technobladex Since you are a newcomer here, I recommend you use the WP:AfC process to draft a new article, although this is tough to do before you have learned the basics by contributing to improve existing articles. There is more advice at WP:YFA. The technicalities of editing can be learned using the Help:Introduction tutorial. Good luck! Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:55, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect article
Could the following article please be removed:

https://wikitia.com/wiki/ Hugh_Roxburgh

I am unable to remove this article myself, hence why I need an administrator to do so. It contains incorrect information, and was a rejected article initially due to this, but has since been published without the changes being made.

It would be easiest to simply remove the article entirely. The sources/references are clearly not suitable for this article to be official. Wilsonsmith13 (talk) 10:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You created the Wikipedia page Draft:Hugh Roxburgh in 2021. When you make an edit, you agree to MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyrightwarning which is displayed above the Publish button. This allow others to copy it, also outside Wikipedia, if they follow certain requirements. A Wikitia user called AndreaGlover copied it to Wikitia before it was deleted from Wikipedia. Wikitia is not affiliated with Wikipedia and we have no control over their content. If you want it deleted then you will have to contact Wikitia. I don't know their processes. There is no Wikipedia user called AndreaGlover. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:40, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Creating article or New page for our company
hello, first thank you for creating this amazing web/knowledge center, there is many thing make me confused about using wiki, because when i try to make new page for oue company(which is start up under National Institute of Electronics & Information Technology (NIELIT) Aizawl,) everytime it is delete my article and moved my deletion log as not web host title,

also when trying to create new account for our company using our company name my IP is instantly block from wikipedia,  i am not here to spam or like against wiki policy, i am just here to create our new company page(I think that is called article for search engine optimization) i just want to know how can i create without against wiki policy also prevent blocking my ip?

i read your documentations and guide, as a slow learner i cannot remember and understand clearly. is there any solutions for this?

thanks in advanced. Lalrochhara (talk) 13:23, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Lalrochhara The Wikipedia policy for naming accounts is that they can't be company names, (see this page for the policy). However, an account could be named "Mike at Widgetsco", because that would imply a specific person, not a multiple-user account or a company role. Secondly, as Wikipedia is mostly written by unpaid volunteers, the Wikimedia Foundation terms and conditions insist that anyone paid to edit here on behalf of an organisation should make that very obvious by making a formal declaration (see WP:PAID for the details).
 * Once you have done all that, you can try to draft an article about your company but will probably fail! The problem is that Wikipedia does not allow WP:PROMOTION and you have a conflict of interest. Any article draft must be based on sources meeting these criteria, especially independence from the company itself, which is difficult. Also, they must show that the company is notable in the specific way that is defined by the encyclopaedia. Please read all these linked pages, and also this one and this one to get the full story. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:47, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , I am an administrator and so I read your deleted userpage. You say you are not here to spam, but you used overtly promotional language like and  and . That is marketing language that belongs on the company website perhaps, but not in a neutrally written encyclopedia article. It amounts to spam. As for your concerns about search engine optimization, that is not the purpose of Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 17:48, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia User JamieBrown2011
JamieBrown2011 has a history of deleting other peoples' comments and tries to control the content of the International Churches of Christ article. He refuses to let people include relevant factual information on the International Churches of Christ. This user will immediately complain and delete other peoples' comments and article corrections. He is acting as a dictator over this page. 2600:1700:4260:35D0:5142:ABEC:5B2D:D219 (talk) 2600:1700:4260:35D0:5142:ABEC:5B2D:D219 (talk) 20:14, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * This is beyond the scope of the Help Desk. You could try Dispute resolution noticeboard instead.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:18, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Why do we have speedy delete G4 (identical to deleted page)?
I am curious why we have the speedy delete tag Db-g4 which is for deleting a page that is close to being identical to a deleted page? When would it ever be needed? Only administrators can see deleted pages, not non-admins, and admins have the power to delete pages. So it seems to be that a non-admin could not use this tag because there is no way to know if the page is the same, and admins don't need the tag because they have the delete power.

Can someone clarify when this tag would be used? RudolfRed (talk) 20:27, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Perhaps a non-administrator had read the deleted article and participated in the deletion discussion. They could reasonably conclude that the new version is close enough for a G4 tag, and an administrator can then compare the two versions. Also, many administrators prefer not to unilaterally delete articles except in the most egregious cases. So, an administrator may see the problem and tag the article, letting another administrator make the decision to delete, under the theory that two heads are better than one. Perhaps the administrator was heavily involved with the AfD or with disputes with the author of the new version, and prefers that an uninvolved administrator make the deletion decision. Cullen328 (talk) 20:40, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The G4 tag is also used in practice as a way for a non-admin to request that an admin evaluate the previously-deleted content and decide if G4 applies. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:55, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanations. RudolfRed (talk) 20:57, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Carroll O'Connor
Can someone Twinkle? I do not know how; otherwise I would. Thanks. Maybe a semi-protection? I know you can't block an unregistered user. Maineartists (talk) 21:51, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * What are you asking for? Use Twinkle to do what? Request for protecting a page can be made at WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk) 00:44, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Already done. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 00:52, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Books in one area, their page in another.
In complex articles, What I've seen is in one section, a list of books and then the references referring to those books with pages. Like

Section A
 * Help with nailclippers, Jacob Smythe, 1990
 * Help with Stew, Jane Michaels, 1977

References
 * 1 Michaels 1977 p 56
 * 2 Smythe 1990 p54
 * 3 Smythe 1990 p9

Can someone direct me to an example and a page that explains how to do this?Naraht (talk) 22:25, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello. You can check Help:Shortened footnotes. The page contains some examples. They're not only used in complex articles though. It's just another way of citing sources. StephenMacky1 (talk) 22:50, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

How do I reinstate an image that has been deleted?
[Ticket#2023090110000901] Wikipedia page: South Gawler Football club - permission to use the graphic

Hi Wikipedia, I want to reinstate the image Traditional Rampant Lion SGFC.jpg into the wikipedia article South Gawler Football Club. The graphic was removed due to insufficient licensing premission – but I have now sent an email to the Voluntere Review that grants a free licence (Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International). So everything is now sorted permisison-wise.

However the image link remains broken and I cannot reinstate the graphic. It appears to still be up on Wikimedia in the Image library but it will not relink to there nor will it let me reload it. When I attempt to upload the image it will not accept it as it says it's a duplicate. I don't want to have to rename it – but even when I add the suffix "2" to the name Traditional Rampant Lion SGFC 2.jpg it still will not change back. I believe my graphic Traditional Rampant Lion SGFC.jpg is till on Wikimedia.

How do I fix this asap? Thankyou, Ursis (David Heinrich, South Australia) Ursis (talk) 23:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ursis, you added back the image here. Outside an infobox, you may need to add file: giving [[file:Traditional Rampant Lion SGFC.jpg]] . TSventon (talk) 23:58, 3 September 2023 (UTC)