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Death at the Condor Club -
CONDOR CLUB - My understanding is that James and Theresa were raised to the ceiling where James Ferrozzo died. Not that the piano fell on them. 2001:5B0:47C1:6C28:4DE4:9D9:47D8:9976 (talk) 00:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * According to the article Condor Club, you are correct. RudolfRed (talk) 00:40, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

COI specifics
I have someone in mind who I'd like to write an article about, and I believe I have enough sources to start - however, before I put a bunch of work into research & figuring out if they're actually notable, I need some guidance. The person in question works at the same small organization I do. I'm not their boss or employee, our departments have a completely different hierarchy. We sometimes interact but only for administrative/logistical reasons. Do I need to declare a COI for the organization, or just the person? Should I really just not bother? If someone is able to chat with me privately (email?) about this, I'd be OK with giving more detail. I just want to know beforehand how much anonymity I need to be willing to give up if I want this to be my first article. Thanks! Wineguard (talk) 01:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Wineguard, I'm not sure if a COI declaration is necessary, but I do believe that at this point writing about the subject would be giving up a decent bit of anonymity regardless due to your message here. If you are really concerned about it I would recommend choosing another topic :/
 * You've done some nice work on the project in the past, keep it up and happy editing!  Just ' i ' yaya  08:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Justiyaya, thanks for looking out! That did occur to me (shortly after making the post). I don't mind this being in my edit history - I was/am more concerned about the disclosure front and center on my userpage. :~) Wineguard (talk) 13:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wineguard Full guidance at WP:COI. Having a COI is not a mark of shame, it is usually a simple statement of fact. Editors can add citations to their own published work and even paid editors (the most serious form of COI) may create draft articles using the WP:AfC process. You are relatively inexperienced, so I suggest you use that process irrespective your precise situation. Incidentally, I'd expect the organisation would be more likely to be notable than individuals who work for it but that of course depends on what sources like these have said about either of them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

What Links Here contains pages without links?
Hi, there’s probably something really obvious happening here but if there is then I’m clueless to whatever it is!

Earlier on, I moved To Be Human to To Be Human (Sia song), due to the Sia song not appearing to me to be the primary topic. Soon after moving, I checked the ‘What Links Here’ page for the (now-redirect) To Be Human, and saw around 200 listed wikilinks. Checking again, the majority of these seem to now be listed under the What Links Here page for To Be Human (Sia song) —. What’s curious is that some spot-checks reveal that no edits have been made to them since the page move. What’s even more curious is that, when I was spot checking, I couldn’t even find the wikilinks that apparently existed on the pages they apparently existed on.

Does anyone smarter than me have an idea of what might be going on here? Let me know if you need any more information.

Best, user: A smart kitten meow 04:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi A smart kitten, The To Be Human was linked from three templates (see for a way to find templates that link to a particular page) that are link to the song and one or more of them are WP:TRANSCLUDE-ed on probably about 200 pages (and links in transcluded templates are included in incoming link counts): Template:Sia singles, Template:DC Extended Universe, and Template:Labrinth and an editor (Another Believer) updated the links. Navigation templates are useful to update quickly after page moves so the automatic non-linking inside those templates if you're on the page in question works. Skynxnex (talk) 04:56, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Skynxnex Ah, thank you so much! I’ll remember to check templates in future. As I expected, it was something obvious that I hadn’t thought about
 * Thanks again, user: A smart kitten meow 05:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Age being calculated wrongly
I spotted an inconsistency on the page Dave Ramsey. The infobox contains September 3, 1960, and this renders as "Born	September 3, 1960 (age 62)". It is now 9 September 2023, and when I went to school that would give his age as 63, not 62. Am I missing something? Gronk Oz (talk) 07:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Gronk Oz, I believe that the calculation had not updated itself for the last few days. I did a null edit and the age now shows as 63. TSventon (talk) 07:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that! Do you know if this is a common bug?--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:16, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , I don't think it is really a bug, wikipedia stores cached copies of articles on its servers, so what you see will sometimes be out of date. I don't know how often cached copies are updated. TSventon (talk) 11:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks again.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:56, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Table formatting issue
I added a new column in the table list of coagulation factors, then a small empty column appeared at the right end of the table. How do I get rid of this empty column?

&mdash; CrafterNova  [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 11:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Extra columns are caused by too many cells in one or more rows. Some browsers will reveal the extra cells by only having horizontal lines there in the extra column. In Firefox I saw it in the article for Factor VI and von Willebrand factor. I have removed those cells. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:56, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Really appreciated &mdash; CrafterNova  [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 11:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You edited the above table after my fix of the article. The wrong table I mentioned can be seen at In long tables with such extra columns I sometimes widen the extra column in a preview by adding a cell with content in order to make it easier to spot the horizontal lines. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Edits
what happens when the edit is opinion and not fact ? Curiousalways1 (talk) 15:43, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That depends. Unsourced opinions will be removed. But an overview of opinions about a specific subject is - when reliably, independently sourced and relevant to the subject - is usually acceptable. Exception are opinions without serious backing (fringe opinions). The Banner  talk 15:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Inspector General
What was the position or title of the Inspector General prior to 1976? Muffin4Purr (talk) 18:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Muffin4Purr: That depends on which country's inspector general you're referring to. See the article Inspector general for more information. GoingBatty (talk) 18:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Editing on the old theme
I have a browser extension that redirects all Wikipedia links to the old theme, but I have to turn it off if I want to edit a page. If I edit with the redirector on, everything I have edited is lost when I click Submit. It would be nice if I could edit a page without turning off the redirector. 93.139.206.146 (talk) 18:45, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * You can create an account, go into Special:Preferences, and switch back to the old theme.
 * If you do not want to, we don't know what extension you are using and have no way to control it. You may want to contact the developers. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 19:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia may want to let users choose the old theme like Yahoo Mail, Reddit and other well-designed sites do. 93.139.206.146 (talk) 19:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You can- with an account. 331dot (talk) 19:56, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Registered users have around 100 settings at Special:Preferences, including three other skins than the new and the old. They can also install around 700 scripts at User scripts/List and many which aren't listed there. They can make or copy their own scripts to run in their account and make their own CSS to style numerous things. Without an account, choices must be stored in a specific browser on a specific device. Wikipedia allows that for a few things but nearly everything is stored in accounts so they are remembered wherever you are logged in. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Access list of images I've opened at Commons during the last few hours
I've spent the entire night browsing Commons for photos of specific lamp post shapes and designs, and by the end, I may have had close to a three-digit amount of tabs open, and just when I wanted to save the photos to my HDD in order to sift and sort through them, Firefox crashed. Of course, I'd been lucky enough that I'd done all of this in a private window, so I can't recover it from my Firefox history and not even from my cached DNS.

So, I'm asking, is there a way for some mod, admin, or other tech person at Wikipedia to give me the list of URL requests by my IP (found in my signature below) at Commons within c. the last 6 hours? They should all point to, not the actual JPGs. 2003:DA:CF39:B803:8420:2CCC:8EC6:5B2 (talk) 23:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Pending an answer by someone technically qualified, I have read several previous answers to similar requests, which stated that Wikipedia does not keep any records of who (either IP users or users with accounts) looks at what in it, only of what edits they make, so on Wikipedia this is not technically possible.
 * Moreover, Wikimedia Commons is a separate (though allied) entity to Wikipedia, so you would have to ask there, but I'm confident that the same would be true of that site.
 * This is broadly in accordance with widely recognised ethical principles of Librarianship, which prohibit librarians from revealing details of a client's reading and borrowing to third parties. Short version: you might not want an overbearing government to be able to find out what you're reading. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 08:17, 10 September 2023 (UTC)