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Regency of Algiers knackered ref
Morning folks!! Does anybody know how to fix the 2nd Saidouni ref on the Regency of Algiers article. Its a script chapter error. 2 editors have looked and no joy.  scope_creep Talk  02:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Is the help link and the template documentation not helpful? Also, title in that template should be script-title because Arabic-script text.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 03:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Not really. I thought the docs would have helped but I couldn't fix it, nor could Nourerrahmane. Its now been fixed in the interim. A simple fix as well. Its great when you know. Thanks for quick reply. Its really welcome.   scope_creep Talk  03:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Mathglot (talk) 07:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Why not? What about the help text and template doc was not helpful?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Human sciences" which included all sciences basics of NEURO,CULTURE..
Hi Am just back to THR,AFTER 27 HARDWORKING IN LH IN FRA AND ALL OVER THE WORLD. I WANNA TO CONTINUE MY THIS PERIOD HMJOB FOR BREEDINF SPECIALLY THE KIDS OR CULTURE WHICH ALL PEOPLE ARE DRAWING BUT IT IS NOT OBVIOUS.- I MEAN SPECIALLY ABOUT PHYCHOLOGY,PHYCHO-PERSON،د،ANY CULTURAL. PLS CALL MY CELL THAT WASVREGISTERED,I CAN EXPLAIN MORE. I HAVE NO KID BUT EVEN AS A CHARITY I WANNA DO THAT. TKS/ SHAGHA 91.133.195.131 (talk) 05:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Your message is incomprehensible, even disregarding the inappropriate all-caps, and appears to have nothing to do with problems in using or editing Wikipedia, which is what this Help Desk is exclusively for. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 05:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps mere drivel such as what started this thread is better simply deleted. 126.205.241.147 (talk) 06:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Missing notes
I've added two notes to 2024 County Championship using the   template, but these don't appear in the corresponding    (although they can be accessed inline). I've come across this issue before, a while ago, which someone fixed for me. However, I don't recall being told what had caused it. Many thanks to anyone who can assist!!

{Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 05:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)}
 * @Edwin of Northumbria: . You called for notelist a second time right beneath the Division One table. I removed it and it looks like the notes are where they should be. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Tenryuu: Many thanks Smile.png. I added the Notes section at the end of the article but totally missed the earlier invocation as it's not where you'd expect to find it, and as far as I can tell it wasn't actually being used!!
 * (Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 07:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC))

Taking a break
What precautions should I take to not get my account deleted if I leave Wikipedia for a long period time? I am taking a temporary break, but not sure how long does it takes. Imperial [AFCND]  11:57, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't delete accounts, wether for inactivity or something else. Assuming you remember your login details, and that your account wasn't compromised and locked, you can always log back in. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If I am not able to reply to something that I must should've, due to the long term inactivity, does that cause any harm to my account? Imperial  [AFCND]  12:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The only circumstances I can think of where failing to reply would cause a problem for your account would be if you had done quite a lot of disruptive edits, and somebody was asking you to explain yourself or you would get reported and possibly blocked. But in any other case, no.
 * What people sometimes do is put a message on their user page saying that they're on a break from Wikipedia - you can use Template:wikibreak or one of its family. But there is no requirement to do this. ColinFine (talk) 14:06, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * See WP:RETIRE. However, even if a Wikipedian has not edited for years, the account still exists and could be used again if they still have the login details.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone. Imperial  [AFCND]  14:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Please do carefully record your user name and password in one or more memorable places (paper and electronic). One of our recurring requests here on the help desk is for help for recovering from a lost password. We have no way to do that. -Arch dude (talk) 21:29, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Participating In ISCB Computational Biology Article Competition
How to register for the competetion? To participate The following text is shown. But where are we supposed to Write the name ? Claims may be made starting 1 September 2023. The competition ends on 3 May 2024 (UTC). English[edit source] Please register your interest by typing the following text while logged in as a registered Wikipedia user: This will display your claim on an article in the following way, using the article on Bioinformatics as an example: Mansura Mubashira (talk) 15:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * your article --Mansura Mubashira (talk) 15:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * You need to do that on this page, not here, and include the name of your article wthin the double square brackets. The words "your article" are just a placeholder. Shantavira|feed me 15:31, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. I checked the page before. but Where do I write the name? Do I write the name in my account username? or there is some diffrtent form to fill up for the competetion Mansura Mubashira (talk) 15:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If you're writing in English, then click the edit button next to the heading "English" and add you name and the name of the article to that list just like the other entrants have done. Shantavira|feed me 08:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Article already exists
I accidentally wrote an article in english and french, without realizing it already existed on 6 other wikipedias. How do i turn it from its own article to a translation of the existing one? Flag of Baja California Sur already exists in spanish and other languages MallardTV (talk) 16:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * MallardTV, different language articles on the same subject are linked via Wikidata items. Where there are two Wikidata items for the same subject they can be merged, so I have done so. TSventon (talk) 16:42, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I will note that there is no requirement for articles in different languages to be kept in sync. More to the point, articles in different languages are inherently independent.  Even notability (i.e. that the article should exist at all, in a particular language) is independent, though of course, an editor might choose to create an article in a language for which it doesn't already exist based on a version that exists in another language, but this does not lessen the need to meet the requirements for the article it is translated to.


 * What does concern me, at least a little bit, is that the English-language page overwrote a pre-existing redirect. In most cases, that would probably not be an issue.  In this case, the target of the redirect was State flags of Mexico, and there may be an established "convention" on enwiki not to have separate articles for each state flag of Mexico. I am not saying that this is definitely an issue but it might be. Fabrickator (talk) 17:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Never mind, there are other Mexican states which have a separate article for their flag. Fabrickator (talk) 18:33, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft: Charles Robert Kemble
I'm unclear as to why this article was declined. The subject is one of the few surviving WWII combat veterans with a storied military, academic and public service career. The sources are primary links to original material. Given the gaps in 20th century persona, particularly individuals with pre-internet biographical footprints, this seems a worthwhile addition to Wikipedia.

Draft:Charles Robert Kemble

Shroedingerskat (talk) 19:35, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You had deleted the reviewers message that explained why it was declined. I've restored it.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * [Edit Conflict] Briefly, in Wikipedia "Notable" doesn't mean "important" (which Kemble may well be) – it means roughly "has been written about by independent third parties at some length in several unconnected pieces published in Reliable sources."
 * Wikipedia articles are supposed to be mostly summaries of the content of those secondary sources. Primary sources can be used to a limited extent to corroborate specific facts, but not to support Notability. "Independent" means unconnected to the subject: this excludes the subject's own words, interviews with the subject, and anyone with direct connections to the subject such as educators, family, friends, employers, employees, etc.
 * I notice that you've deleted the entire submission panel with the 'Decline' by the (very experienced) reviewer  and explanations by Drmies and . You should not do this: apart from also removing the button for resubmitting the draft following improvements, it may be considered a deceitful concealment of the decline. I suggest you revert your deletion immediately [rendered unnecessary by RudolfRed's restoration].
 * Note that "Decline" means "needs further improvement." If it were thought that the subject could not merit a Wikipedia article, it would instead have been "Rejected". Note also that I myself am not a reviewer, and have not double-checked Drmies' evaluation of so-far undemonstrated Notability and the primacy of too many sources, but I have no reason to doubt them.
 * If you can find suitable sources as described above and in the linked Project pages, I'm sure that you'll be able to raise the Draft to Wikipedia's required Article standards, and that it will indeed become a worthwhile addition. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 20:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Where are the secondary sources that establish notability? I don't understand many of these references. There's a note about a 1978 mission, and the source is supposedly something by a Tara Shockley, but the citation is entirely unclear; it's cited as a magazine/newspaper, but "Lamar University Press" is obviously not the name of a publication, and this link--well, click on it. The only note that looks like a secondary source is this, "Marie, Cimarusti (July 2021). "A Salute to Charles Robert Kemble". Sandia Heights & High Desert Living: 4–7", but "Sandia Heights & High Desert Living" seems to be a community newsletter. Drmies (talk) 22:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Kemble's noteworthiness seems related to Lamar University. That's an article that isn't all bad, but has much that's unreferenced or inherently omissible or both. And in at least one place it's written in the first person plural, strongly suggesting that it's just undigested PR material (which by that point comes as no surprise). 126.205.254.12 (talk) 05:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)