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Hare krsna
"if you go into the profile of the person, let's say Tamal KG in Wikipedia, Wikipedia allow you to correct and write what you find most correct but then ultimately they are the ones who decide whether to accept the correction or not." Robert baron3888 (talk) 01:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If you have a question or request, Robert baron3888, then please ask/make it lucidly. (And don't tinker with other's comments.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * some sincere followers and experts who represent srila prabhupada make corrections and then the correction are reverted back to the original. Robert baron3888 (talk) 02:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Robert baron3888, Wikipedia articles are meant to be written with a neutral, objective, third-party point of view. People closely connected to or having a strong feeling, negative or positve, about a subject may be unable to do so, and accordingly get reverted. Please use the talk page of the article in question to discuss edits, such as when they get reverted. If an editor represents the interests of a subject, they should WP:DISCLOSE their conflict of interest as instructed before they engage with the topic, whether it be editing the article or discussing it on the talk page or elsewhere. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , are you asking why it is that (i) some sincere followers and experts who represent Srila Prabhupada make corrections and then (ii) the corrections are reverted back to the original? If so, then (i) maybe out of a desire to inform, maybe out of a desire to promote. (Either way, explains above what these people must do.) (ii) Perhaps because the "correction" was promotional, inadequately referenced, or incomprehensible; perhaps for some other reason. Please point to an example of such reversion. -- Hoary (talk) 04:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * if you go into the profile of the person, let's say Tamal KG in Wikipedia, Wikipedia allow you to correct and write what you find most correct but then ultimately they are the ones who decide whether to accept the correction or not. Robert baron3888 (talk) 06:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hansadutta Swami
 * This needs to be corrected. So allow the correction to be made please. Robert baron3888 (talk) 06:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Robert baron3888, you are free to improve Hansadutta Swami yourself, as long as your improvement accords with Wikipedia policies. Be sure to cite reliable sources and to provide an informative edit summary. -- Hoary (talk) 06:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Haggerty Award correction
I don't know who writes or edits the Haggerty Award page on Wikipedia, but our association is appreciative. An update/correction is needed on the page. The NIT no longer co-presents the Haggerty Award. The NIT affiliation with the award was discontinued after 2021. The Met Basketball Writers Association is now the sole presenter of the award. Thank you MBWA president 67.86.4.111 (talk) 01:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello. You can see the usernames of the various people who have edited the article Haggerty Award by looking at its "history".
 * Unfortunately for you, your question has had the unforeseen consequence of me examining the article and questioning whether it should be in Wikipedia at all. As far as I can see not a single one of the references is about "The Haggerty Award" as opposed to individual winners - and without such references, it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.
 * To answer your question more directly: you are welcome to make suggestions for edits to the article using the edit request wizard. But in my opinion, anything you do other than finding a source where somebody wholly unconnected with the award has chosen to write at some depth about the award itself (not its winners) will be a waste of time. See golden rule for the criteria that any such source must meet. ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There's always Justapedia. Fabrickator (talk) 13:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of entry on Orange Mound Tower
Hi! I received the following message from an editor, and would really appreciate tips on neutrality and updating the attempted entry to be in the guidelines of Wikipedia. I'm a student attempting to give the subject its due writing, not promote the work being done. Thanks in advance!

"Hello, I'm REDACTED403. I wanted to let you know that one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Orange Mound, Memphis—has been undone because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a 'soapbox' are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thank you. -REDACTED403 (talk) 12:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[ reply]


 * Hi, thank you for taking a look at the page! May I ask you note specific instances, and what shifts in language, I can make to make it neutral? It is definitely not my intention too as I am student looking to expand the canon on particular types of architecture, and through this, I have nominated Orange Mound Tower.
 * Thanks! Harmonytheestudent (talk) 19:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)"

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Harmonytheestudent (talk • contribs) 05:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * , some samples:


 * I don't understand what it is that they herald (or that it heralds}. But it's only tenuously about a neighborhood, so it doesn't belong here.




 * More about something that isn't a neighborhood.




 * Bluntly, we're minimally interested in intentions, except perhaps when these intentions have been described by people independent of those who harbor them. (And interviews don't count.)


 * Incidentally, while I'm sure that Jones wanted to say that the thing should truly both {empower and {fill the potholes that exist in}} Black communities, she ends up seeming to aspire to empowering potholes. So if what she says is worth expressing here (which I doubt), I suggest that you summarize it in your own, less awkward words.


 * Et cetera. All the best with the revision! -- Hoary (talk) 04:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Trying to update my company's logo to the correct logo, getting an error message saying that I do not own the logo
I am trying to change my company (Metropolitan Oval)'s logo on the page from the incorrect red, low-res logo to a high-res correct logo that can be found at the top of the page here -->. I keep getting an error message when editing the logo saying that Wikipedia can't verify that I own the logo. While I personally do not own the logo, I am in possession of a high-res correct version and feel that it is important to update it. Is there any work-around to this issue? Anthony42710 (talk) 04:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . If the logo is essentially as the one currently being used with only minor changes (e.g changing the color from red to black), you can try just updating the current file clicking on "Update a new version of this file" at File:Met Oval Logo.png; however, the current file is uploaded as non-free content, which means it's use needs to comply with Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. There are ten non-free content use criteria and one of these criteria is criterion #3 which deals with things like file size and resolution. Wikipedia, in priciple, only allows low-resolution versions of non-free content to be uploaded as explained here. If you upload a new version of the logo that is too be or too high in resolution, someone (a WP:BOT or human editor) will re-size it and reduce it's resolution so that it complies with relevant policy. If the logo you want to upload is quite different than the one currently being used, you should probably upload it as a new file and you can request that someone do this for you at WP:FFU.Now, having posted that, it's quite possible that current logo is actually too simple to be eligible for copyright protection under US copyright law; so, if the new version you want to upload is also essentially the same, then it too would most likely be too simple for copyright protection. In such a case, the new version should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons instead of Wikipedia because Commons is better suited to host such content. You might want first ask about this c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright just to see what some others think. If the prevailing opinion is that the new version is too simple, you can upload it using c:Commons:Upload under a copyright license of c:Template:PD-logo.Finally, since you've stated you're an employee of Metropolitan Oval, you should carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure before trying to make any edits to any content about the company on Wikipedia. Your connection to the company doesn't matter so much to Commons, but it does matter quite a bit to Wikipedia and there are some limitations as to what you can do. The more you understand about these limitations, the less likely you're going g\find yourself running into problems. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

May you please help me propose a merge?
I'm not sure where to start proposing a merge and starting a discussion. I would like to propose the article emailSanta.com be merged into Santa Claus under the section "Letter writing". Could someone please help me set up the discussion, including adding the appropriate templates? Thanks! Félix An (talk) 07:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Félix An the instructions for merging are at WP:MERGE. Why do you want to merge the articles? If emailSanta.com is notable, the article is long enough to stand alone and if it is not notable, you could nominate it at WP:Articles for deletion. TSventon (talk) 11:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * See WP:MERGE. However, I don't recommend it for this particular case. The website is independently notable and worthy of a standalone article. Sources include a New York Times article. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

about posting an article
Hello. Can I create a Wikipedia article in different styles? Do I have to create an article again to add English and Russian to the article I created in Azerbaijani, or can I add different languages to the article I created in Azerbaijani? Hasanagha Asadov (talk) 10:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello. Every different language version of Wikipedia is an independent project, with its own rules and procedures. Articles on the same subject in different languages can be straight translations - but only if they meet the policies of both language versions. Sometimes they start as straight translations, but get edited independently; sometimes they are created completely indpendently of one another.
 * If you have written an article in az-wiki, you are welcome to translate it into English for en-wiki. But en-wiki's policies are stricter than many others, and you may find that the subject is acceptable in az-wiki, but does not meet en-wiki's criteria for notability: it depends on the quality of the sources.
 * Please see translation for more information.
 * As for translating to ru-wiki: You'd need to ask there. ColinFine (talk) 11:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt responce. Can I create multiple drafts on my profile? Hasanagha Asadov (talk) 11:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You can create multiple drafts, as sub-pages of your user page. (Wikipedia doesn't have "profiles". ) Maproom (talk) 13:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * You can create multiple drafts in your user space. Just enter "User:Hasanagha Asadov/name of topic" in the search box, and click the "Start the page ..." prompt to create each draft. Deor (talk) 13:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I suggest you don't create drafts in multiple languages in the same Wikipedia: as far as I know, there are no tools to move a page from one Wikipedia to another, so it would be much better to create each your user pages of that language Wikipedia. In English Wikipedia, you can have as many user subpages (or personal sandboxes) as you want. I'm guessing that you can do that in any other Wikipedia as well. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

twinkle unblock screwup
I used Twinkle to unblock here, and it's showing up in the block log but not on the page? What did I forget to do? Valereee (talk) 13:47, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Use of Wikipedia photos
I would like to use Wikipedia photos for a book I have written. I do not plan to use more than 10 or 12 photos. Can this be done? Is there a charge? Do I need written permission? 2601:586:CD00:7F90:856A:E8B5:6A2F:10DE (talk) 14:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Most photos on Wikipedia are under a license that allows for reuse for any purpose if attribution is given. You can click on the photo to see the exact license terms.  Some photos are used under non-free use, which means there is no right to reuse the photos.  For photos in that case, you would need to contact the copyright holder directly for permission.  RudolfRed (talk) 14:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * RUdolfRed's answer is right. For more information, see reusing Wikipedia content. ColinFine (talk) 16:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Sportsfan 1234
Hello there! I need your help. A guy named Sportsfan 1234 continues to investigate sockpuppets of the other account named Raymarcbadz and insist the admins to block all the socks. The editing of Olympic-related articles has been a major issue since June. He favored the users to ban me from editing. Yet, he continues to baffle the socks and the sockmaster without any further reason. He never replies nor entertains my questions and comments. He destroyed the reputation of the user who spent 16 years of editing Wikipedia articles. We need your help to stop this nonsensical issue. Thank you! DayangHirang4405 (talk) 14:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @DayangHirang4405, the place to bring complaints about editor behavior is WP:ANI. Be sure to read and follow the directions at the top. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 16:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

When citing a source in a foreign language, do I have to translate the quote being cited, or leave it in in its original language?
For example, I want to cite this article about the Consulate.

I can cite like this, with the "quote" part left in French

Or I can do this, and leave my own translation next to the original quote

Or I can do it this way, and only keep my translation

Is there a rule for this? BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 17:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * This is a good question. I'm looking at Citing sources, and not finding anything specific to this situation. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE is the only advice I can find. It seems to say you need both. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:17, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I see. So, you approve of a citation like this? BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 19:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Use the trans-quote parameter for the translation, though (without the parentheses). The ref should look like this. (Note that the closing quotation mark is correctly positioned.)
 * Thank you! BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 15:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Carpaine
Reference help requested.

How to edit added references

Thanks, KaraBlank (talk) 17:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * hold on, oi think I've about got it. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I've got it basically functional, probably the autor's name should be added as well, how to do that and other uses of the template are at Template:Cite journal/doc. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Correction
On 4/22/2024 in the 'Did you know' segment it was written:

I PROMISE you a member of the military DOES NOT 'Win" the Medal of Honor! It is not a Contest! They are Awarded the MOH! They are presented with the MOH! They DID NOT WIN it! A little respect please. Thank you, Lance McAfee Lance McAfee (talk) 17:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ... that Paul Huff Parkway is named after a U.S. Army soldier who won the Medal of Honor while serving in World War II?


 * This really is not a help desk question. I'd suggest posting at Talk:Main_Page as I do think you have a valid point. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You know what, I just went ahead and changed it to "was awarded" . Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Username checks out, as they say on Reddit. —Tamfang (talk) 23:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Lost my article
Hello -- I uploaded an article several weeks ago but can't find it or its status. I hardly know what questions to ask! Many thanks in advance. FranCeska708 (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The only page creation I see from you is at User:FranCeska708/sandbox. You should probably use the articles for creation process to get it moved into article space. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It appeard to be the only WP:REDLINK at New York University. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Believe it or not, I'm trying to follow instructions. I work at NYU, my assignment is to create this page but I can't figure it out! Many of our peer schools -- at NYU and beyond -- have Wiki pages so I know it's possible. When I added those two paragraphs I thought I was creating a new page for someone to approve. What is my next step, please? I read through your articles for creation link but was stymied a few steps in. *Thank you.* FranCeska708 (talk) 17:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, well, the first thing you need to do before even trying to proceed is to read and comply with Paid-contribution disclosure. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * And, on second thought, given the situation, maybe post your proposed text at Talk:New York University, being sure to include some references, and a neutral third party can review it. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * . Based on your statement that you work at NYU and were assigned to write this article, then your next step is to comply with the Paid contributions disclosure. This is mandatory. You also should read WP:BOSS. User:FranCeska708/sandbox is entirely unreferenced and so fails the core content policy of Verifiability. It cannot possibly be accepted into this encyclopaedia in its current form. You should read and study Your first article. You will need to find significant coverage of this school in reliable sources that are entirely independent of NYU. Just because similar articles may exist does not mean this one should. Wikipedia has 6,815,398 articles and many of them are of poor quality and in danger of being deleted. We do not need any new poor quality articles, so strive for excellence. Cullen328 (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply, Cullen. I have slogged through many, many Wikipedia pages. I understand that connections need to be disclosed. But there are no independent sources writing about our school because we're new and obscure! If that means we don't get an article, so be it. I just figured I'd try to post first and correct mistakes afterward. (It's frustrating! If this process were smoothly delineated dya think I'd be asking goofy questions?) FranCeska708 (talk) 18:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "there are no independent sources writing about our school because we're [...] obscure" - in that case, the topic fails to meet the criteria at WP:N and your draft will not be published. The best you can hope for is a sentence in the main NYU article - which you apparently already have. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * OK; I've looked it over. I wanted to see where it appeared on the pages of other NYU schools. I see it nowhere on the page for NYU Wagner. Where is theirs? FranCeska708 (talk) 18:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

, please note that article has seven references. Your draft has none. Please also note that article is unassessed. If you want to model your article on another one, then select a Good article. Cullen328 (talk) 18:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC) @FranCeska708, what do you mean by "it" and "theirs"? What are you looking for in that article? 57.140.16.48 (talk) 18:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Citations tool
At the bottom of a page I am editing, underneath the edit description, all the way to the right of the blue Publish changes button, I have a button that says ☑️ Citations. I think it might be from a script I installed, but I'm not sure. In any case, when it is working, it can take text such as "*" and fill in most of the other fields associated with that ISBN. Often, however, it just errors, and I can't figure out what the issue is. At least once it failed one night and then worked on exactly the same text the next morning. So maybe it's just really glitchy on their end?

The text I get when it isn't working just says "Error: citations request failed".

Thanks! — Patrick (talk) 18:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Patrick, that looks like Citation expander, which I haven't tried. TSventon (talk) 23:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, it looks like that was it! My NoScript extension was breaking it. Many thanks! Cheers, Patrick (talk) 00:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Reconcile God's attributes in African Traditional Religion and Natural Theology
for a dissertation One big Tboy (talk) 22:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello. This page is for asking for general help in how to contribute to Wikipedia. It is not apparent what your question is. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 22:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * If the question is can we write a dissertation on Reconciling God's attributes in African Traditional Religion and Natural Theology, we can't. TSventon (talk) 22:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * We can't, but you might find some useful ideas and resources in the article African religion and natural theology ColinFine (talk) 09:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood
Please fix up reference number 39, it is in red colour. Thank you. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 23:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The issue seems to have been that they used citejournal but did not include the actual nae of the journal, which is required. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)