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broken links
List of spacecraft in the Culture series

is deleted, breaking links here:


 * https://github.com/ceejbot/gsv-culture-ships
 * https://github.com/ceejbot/culture-ships
 * https://github.com/ceejbot/vfp-culture-ships
 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13004211
 * https://trevor-hopkins.com/banks/culture-resources.html
 * https://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2795;area=showposts
 * https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/something-named-in-honor-of-iain-m-banks.52391/
 * https://github.com/learning-layers/achso_ios
 * https://forum.quartertothree.com/t/let-us-make-sure-we-never-forget-the-name-enterprise/70903?page=2
 * https://www.reddit.com/r/TheCulture/
 * https://community.glowforge.com/t/spare-glowforge-names/13696
 * https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/topic/156886-how-do-you-name-your-craft/page/2/#comment-2985527
 * https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=4544
 * https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36646.40
 * https://gist.github.com/liangsteve/065a79b76da1ebdb12b1ff084661dc6e
 * https://steamcommunity.com/app/392160/discussions/0/2269194717045600484/?l=portuguese&ctp=2
 * https://freethoughtblogs.com/stderr/2017/12/21/ship-names/

Wikitardotron (talk) 02:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The whole page was moved from Wikipedia to the following wiki, and it has undergone updates since the move:
 * https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_spacecraft
 * So you should ideally adjust links to point to the new home above.
 * As for links breaking, and the sheer number of places that had that as a hardcoded link to Wikipedia... that's a shame. I advise cursing link rot and then trying to just fix all of them if you care enough, because the information has not been deleted, merely moved. Fluoborate (talk) 04:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fluoborate has kindly given you a solution. But please note that this question has nothing to do with Wikipedia, except to note that somebody was linking to a Wikipedia article which has since been deleted. What use some other website makes of Wikipedia is not Wikipedia's responsibility ColinFine (talk) 10:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Why doesn't my ref/note work as a clickable link?
I just added "Note 1" to this page:

Asenapine

Following the "ref"/"note" markup example as closely as I could, and it is only a clickable link in one direction, in both Safari and Chrome. Clicking "Note 1" where it occurs in the body (Adverse Events) does not work, although it appears blue. Clicking the "1" in the notes section at the bottom does indeed work, it provides a backlink to the body.

What have I done wrong? Very similar markup works on another page I recently annotated.

Thank you, Fluoborate (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I've sorted it out for you. The easiest way to deal with footnotes is to use the efn mechanism.  You place the whole footnoted (including references) inline: "* Dyspepsia, stomach discomfort, and/or vomiting" then at the bottom in the "Notes" section add notelist.  The system then does all the hard work of linking for you. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Problem going live
Hey guys,

i created my first page like 5 months ago and it still isn't live! can you guide me so my page can go live? Mistakefinder77 (talk) 08:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Presumably you mean the sandbox material discussed on your own User talk page (here) by ? If not, what page/Draft do you mean? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 10:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Publishing of new article
I Need help in publishing my new article titled Karthikeya. Can anyone help me with the submitting for review Geoviswakarma (talk) 09:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Geoviswakarma Assuming you have an on-WP draft somewhere, put this at the top of it:
 * Hope this helps. If you haven't written the article yet, start with WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Archiving
Hi, the archiving on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Edit requests was originally broken due to an erroneous configuration that caused the bot to start archiving at archive 6. I've reset the counter back to 1 and moved the archive, but now Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Edit requests/Archive 6 is a redirect to the first archive from the page move. Will this cause trouble when the number of archives eventually reaches 6, or will the bot just overwrite the redirect? The redirect isn't actually necessary, since no pages link to the archive; see: Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Edit_requests/Archive_6. Liu1126 (talk) 11:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , I've deleted the redirect. The bot will be able to recreat it when the time comes. Mjroots (talk) 13:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Liu1126 (talk) 13:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Assistance Needed: Wikipedia Page Update Query
Dear Wikipedia Help Desk,

My name is Nina, and I'm reaching out for guidance regarding updating the Wikipedia page for Envac. I work as a digital marketer at Envac, and I recently attempted to update the page using information from our company website. However, I received an email stating that all my changes were removed due to copyright concerns.

Could you please advise me on the correct procedure for updating the page? Do I need to provide any documentation as an Envac employee to verify the information? Your assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your help.

Best regards, Nina (NINASALEHI2024) NINASALEHI2024 (talk) 12:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The first problem here is WP:BOSS, as you should not edit an article if you are involved with it in some way. The other problem is that the edits at Envac Automated Waste Collection System were deleted because they appear to have copypasted copyrighted material into the article, which is also one of the things not to do in a Wikipedia article.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 12:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @NINASALEHI2024: In addition, you must disclose your paid relationship with Envac as described in the aforementioned link. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you so much for your response, so what should I do now whit this issu?I am an employee of Envac, and what should I do to access the edit? NINASALEHI2024 (talk) 13:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @NINASALEHI2024, you need to declare per the instructions at WP:PAID. Then, if you wish to create an article, you need to submit a draft through Articles for Creation. Instructions are at Help:YFA. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 13:40, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you sincerely for your guidance. Should any questions arise as I proceed, I'll reach out to you. Your ongoing support is greatly appreciated. NINASALEHI2024 (talk) 13:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The other thing to realise, Nina, is that
 * If the material you added was from the company's website, it is likely that very little of it would be appropriate for a Wikipedia article even without the question of copyright. ColinFine (talk) 15:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You may find our FAQ for article subjects useful. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

(now a rediect)

@Spiderone
Made required changes and submitted the article month ago. Still it showing waiting for review, I need update Bvedavyas2024 (talk) 12:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * As it says at the top of your draft, @Bvedavyas2024, Review waiting, please be patient. Reviewers are volunteers and they have a lot of submissions to work through. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, if you have some kind of personal or professional connection to this person, please read and follow WP:COI. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 13:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Your draft Draft:Buragadda Vedavyas will be declined again as there are whole sections that are completely unreferenced. Everything in the article must be supported by reliable sources. Shantavira|feed me 13:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Please guide me where i am stuck in article or if possible live help needed Bvedavyas2024 (talk) 13:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bvedavyas2024, the section Early life and education has no references - where did you get this information? Two of the sections under Political Career have no references, and many parts of the other sections have no references attached. Many of the items in Political Positions Held are missing references. And language such as this is inappropriate for an encyclopedia: Renowned for his transformative leadership in Krishna District, Vedavyas unwavering commitment to his constituents and notable achievements define him as a true statesman and inspirational figure. He is fondly known as Ajathashatru of Andhra Politics.
 * Did you take all of the photographs used in the article?
 * You're welcome to try WP:IRC or WP:DISCORD if you want to ask for real-time help. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 14:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Dan Schneider, who is Jewish
I googled “Sam and Cat” a Nickelodeon kids show, and in the Wikipedia entry on the initial google search it includes the reference to the producer Dan Schneider “who is Jewish”. When I went to the Wikipedia page itself it is not on there. 2600:1700:6222:AF90:1846:9B4C:E595:8DD9 (talk) 14:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Google often mistakenly says (or implies) that things exist on Wikipedia which don't actually appear in the articles. There's nothing to be done about it on this end; you'll need to take it up with Google. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 14:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * That can happen if the article is edited after Google takes its snippet. “who is Jewish” was added at 03:47, 21 April 2024 and then reverted at 04:39, 21 April 2024. TSventon (talk) 14:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) It's not Google's fault. It was in the article for 52 minutes Sunday. Googlebot apparently visited the page there and cached the content. It will disappear from Google results next time their bot visits. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I was in a "no recording" session at Wikiconference North America in 2019 where we got to discuss such matters directly with people from Google, and I mentioned this issue, in the context of material that is removed or even revision deleted or supressed, yet is preserved by their scraper bots. They seemed to understand the concern but I didn't get the impression they had an easy answer. I can see how their desire to keep their snippets as up-to-date as possible is somewhat at odds with Wikipedia's desire to keep vandalism from being spread outside of WP. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Google has a system where you can be registered as owner of a website (after providing evidence) and submit a limited number of pages for fast indexing or reindexing. I have not heard of this system being used by Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * because it doesn't really scale well to our operation :) —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 20:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I cannot remove a hidden category
Hello! I decided to start de-orphaning some articles, but after I did that process, I cannot find the category of orphaned article to remove when I select edit source. I can see it when normally reading the article, but not when editing. Here is the article: Abdul Aziz bin Laboun PolarClimates (talk) 16:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, pages are not placed in categories manually by Wikipedia editors, but by means of templates, which can be used to place identical information (including category membership information) on many different pages at once. When the information on such a template is edited, the pages containing that template are updated, but not necessarily updated immediately. This means that pages might not always appear in the most current categories. Theroadislong (talk) 16:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * PolarClimates in this case you need to remove the orphan template . See Orphan. TSventon (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I did not know that templates created categories PolarClimates (talk) 14:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * See Template:Disambiguation. It lists lots and lots of possible categories, geo, given name, surname, ship, school, etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikilink to wikipedia search string
How do I format a wikilink to a wikipedia search string, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&search=insource%3A%22dateglows.com%22&title=Special%3ASearch&ns0=1 ? I can do it as an external url, but am looking for the wikilink-formatted equivalent. (This is for use in user-space.) Schazjmd   (talk)  17:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Have a look in Help:Link. ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @ColinFine, but I didn't express my question clearly. I can create a wikilink to Special:Search. What I'm wondering is if there is a way to include a specific search string in a Special:Search wikilink. (The ampersands in the url are just browser artifacts.) Schazjmd   (talk)  18:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You can put your search part after a backslash after the name Special:Search.
 * In your case the search part is insource:"dateglows.com" so you should use Special:Search/insource:"dateglows.com" EternalNub (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That is what I couldn't figure out, thanks @EternalNub! Schazjmd   (talk)  18:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The Band Madman Mundt
I would like to the band Madman Mundt to Wikipedia. How is this done? Attached is an artical about the band.

https://www.clevescene.com/music/madman-mundt-1493473

Thank you. Benedictjohn92 (talk) 17:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Well, I'd start by reading Help:Your first article. Not every band is going to be notable anough to warrant an article, but if you have multiple examples of significant coverage from reliable sources it may be possible. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * for our notability (read: "inclusion") criteria for musical acts, see WP:BAND. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Updating Information
Hello.

My name is Hugo Balta.

I work in the Publlic Information Office of the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Cook County. We would like to update this page: Iris Martinez

How do I go about doing that?

Hugo 162.217.186.240 (talk) 18:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It seems like this page is about a topic you have a conflict in interest in (Your employer) so you will need to disclose it. EternalNub (talk) 19:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You can read the conflict of interest policy here. EternalNub (talk) 19:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * They disclosed it right here. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It sounds as if the following all apply to you: WP:BOSS, WP:PAID and WP:COI. Please read through them and make the necessary declarations.  If they do apply to you, then you should not edit the page directly, but make a request on the talk page explaining what changes you want and reliable sources that support them.  A final point, "Cook County" could be anywhere in the world, on first glance I'd assumed New Zealand or Australia; so please qualify it with (in this case) Illinois, USA.  Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Please post a request on the talk page of the article. Be sure to cite sources for any change or addition. OurFAQ for article subjects may be of interest. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Balancing completeness with rigor: adding to an author's works based on Google Books text matching
I found that a book, missing from the author's bibliography, is a reprint of an old work under a new title. My discovery relied using Google Books's "Search Inside" feature to compare excerpts. However, I haven't yet found sources that said that the new book is the old one.

Can I still add this info to the author's bibliography, or do I need to wait for a researcher or secondary source to say the same thing first? R333k0o (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * You're not supposed to add the info because it counts as original research, since you did the comparing yourself. So you should wait for a researcher or secondary source. See No original research EternalNub (talk) 20:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification, @EternalNub. I was doubtful if the Google Books might have been analogous to just counting "1+1=2," but per @188.220.144.58's comment about the need for more extensive comparisons, I see why it's wise to wait. R333k0o (talk) 02:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @R333k0o,
 * I would start a section on the article's talk page, and ask others to search to see if they found any sources without doing original research. If you have waited over 2 days and no one has responded to the talk page, then go to the reference desk, and ask your question there. They are very reliable and usually respond quickly. If you don't want to wait, do both first. The people who respond to the talk page usually know more about the topic (but not always).
 * Best,
 * Avi
 * @Avishai11
 * Avishai11 (talk) 20:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, @Avishai11! I'll see how this goes. R333k0o (talk) 02:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Frequently, though not always, a book that has been republished in the same language under a different title has a note on the copyright page (nearly always on the reverse or 'verso' of the title page) stating that it was originally/previously published under a different title.
 * If the retitled edition contains such a statement, it should be acceptable as a 'reliable source', just as the book is considered a 'reliable source' for any plot or contents summary of it. In such a case, you could (in my opinion) therefore cite the retitled edition's copyright page as the source for the retitling. Since the 'verso' is often not included in the work's main (Arabic numerals) text pagination and not physically numbered in the 'prelims' (Roman numerals) pagination even if used, you might have to 'calculate' the verso's prelims page number (which ought to be even rather than odd, and is frequently iv, with i–ii being the half-title leaf and iii–iv being the title page and its verso) – I think this would be acceptable analysis rather than synthesis.


 * Note however that non-fiction works in particular may be expanded and republished under a new title: in such a case the book is effectively at minimum a 'new ("revised", "expanded", etc.) edition', or for more extensive expansions or reworkings a different work altogether, even if it contains some of the older text. You might need to conduct extensive text comparisons to find out if this is or is not the case. This is most easily done with actual printed copies of the volumes in question. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.2309.195} 188.220.144.58 (talk) 01:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice, @188.220.144.58. The copyright page didn't contain the original title, so this may likely be a reworking. I'll follow @Avishai11's suggestion about starting conversations to see if anyone can verify that. R333k0o (talk) 02:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Another thing to note is that Wikipedia does not strive for completeness. If a book has not been the subject of indpendent discussion, does it even belong in the article? ColinFine (talk) 10:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * On completeness, : The only reference for the article Gustavo Gabriel Levene is a review of one of this books; this is the source, it seems, for just one sentence within the article. The reader is given no reason to trust anything else that the article says. Referencing what the text says is, I suggest, more important than pointing out that two books with different titles share the same content (if they indeed do so). -- Hoary (talk) 12:47, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

How to change colors of template/infobox?
I've been trying to update the templates/infoboxes related to the Houston Texans to reflect a new color scheme, but I can't find any information related to changing the colors; additionally, some templates have extended protection. ExpergeTech (talk) 20:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I suggest that you ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League, where people with the relevant expertise can be found. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Translation of a sidebar template
I've noticed that some articles have a sidebar about a specific topics with links to articles related to it, like this one Pi template. I'd like to have the same sidebar in other languages, and I'd like to know if there's an easy or practical way to do it. I'm not really sure how to use these templates in general. Thanks in advance. HallyTall (talk) 21:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello. There is no general way to transfer content from one Wikipedia to another - it usually has to be done as a copy and paste (with suitable attribution, of course: see copying within Wikipedia).
 * This applies just as much to templates as any other kind of page. Furthermore, templates often depend on other templates, and sometimes on Lua modules, so you would need to make sure that the resources that the template depended on were transferred, and translated if necessary. ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * HallyTall, what other languages are you interested in translating it to? Because Template:Pi box uses Template:Sidebar directly, and because Sidebar has equivalents in 130 languages, it might be possible to design a wrapper template in a foreign language that would interpret the English Pi template with no changes and render the correct output in the foreign Wikipedia, in the same way that the non-English citation templates like cite web/French and cite book/German can interpret a French or German citation here at English Wikipedia and display it correctly. Because most of the actual links are names of people, those would likely have the same name in foreign Wikipedias, in most cases, so probably would generate blue links if the article exists already. Alternatively, since there aren't that many Sidebar params involved, it might be easier just to find the corresponding param names, e.g., for Spanish it is at es:Plantilla:Navegación vertical, but it suffers from very poor documentation, so you would have to read the Template code to find out what the analogous parameters are called. The German one at de:Vorlage:Seitenleiste has no documentation at all. Mathglot (talk) 05:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I've mostly thought about translating some templates to Spanish, but as you've said, the template for the sidebar is very poorly documented. Would you think it reasonable to grab the original template (say, the Template:Pi box) and simply replace the name of the parameters? Like changing  to   and so on? HallyTall (talk) 17:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If it's difficult to see how es:Plantilla:Navegación vertical works then you can try looking at the existing uses at . PrimeHunter (talk) 17:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * yes, I think that's reasonable, if you can work out the correspondence of names despite the poor documentation. Ping me from there if you need anything. Mathglot (talk) 18:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Andrew Bloxam
Ref number 5 is all in red, please repair if you can, thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 23:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Can't. Template:Cite journal unsurprisingly requires specification of the title of the journal. This can't be done here, as whatever it is that's linked to, it's clearly neither a journal nor a journal article. Of course, Template:Cite journal can be changed to Template:Cite [something else]; but here, to what? What's linked to looks as if it was compiled by one Richard Middleton, who I suppose was/is a genealogy enthusiast. It's not clear to me that it was sub-edited or by some other criterion is a "reliable source". Further, what's it being cited for? Here's what: This in an article that purports to be about somebody who died in 1878. Why the stuff about his grandkids? (How does it add to our understanding of Andrew Bloxam?) -- Hoary (talk) 01:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * PS Template:Cite web would work, and if this isn't a reliable source then it is at least an interesting one, reporting on its own refreshingly unconventional and lively Annual General Meetings. But if these factors mitigate, they nevertheless fail to show me how the marriage of the subject's daughter (let alone how such matters as the reported witnessing of such-and-such by the subject's great-grandson) tells us anything about the subject. Would you care to explain, OP? -- Hoary (talk) 05:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)