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Images do not display (on Wikipedia/Wikimedia only)
This may be something I just have to struggle with myself, given the obscurity of my software, but...does Wikipedia use javascript somehow in displaying images? They do not display on this device on Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. (Haven't tested on any other WP projects).

Works fine everywhere else, so it isn't as simple as what do I expect given the obscure software. Don't see anything in settings that would cause this. Any suggestions, anyone? Oh, and I do say on *this* device. The Android devices do not have the problem. Elinruby (talk) 02:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Elinruby: Hi there! What is "this device" that you refer to? GoingBatty (talk) 02:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * VAIO laptop running an extremely obscure Linux distro. But again. the device is not the problem since images display just fine on all other sites, ie Google News, Jstor, CNN, NYT...


 * I suspect javascript even though it is enabled in the browser, simply because of the antiquity of the whole thing, and as I was scrolling through WP preferences some of the gadgets had labels appended saying that javascript is required to use them. But they are not selected (?) Tried so far: switched off limited width mode since this screen is actually extremely wide (usually on a phone), changed skin from Monobook to Timeless. I guess I could see if this still happens in (WP) safe mode. But where I am boggling is, why would image display have anything to do with javascript?


 * Btw, is there a way to establish device-specific preferences? The settings I am turning off are needed on the Androids.Elinruby (talk) 03:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * So... Enabling WP safe mode doesn't seem to matter. Neither does changing the skin; I have now tried Minerva also. Also doesn't seem to matter whether Media Viewer is on or off, or what the maximum image or thumbnail size is. And yes. I am rebooting between these changes, in case. Annoying, since my image editing software is on this laptop but I guess I will just have to work around this, unless someone has a bright idea. There is always View Source, which might confirm the hypothesis, but I am hoping someone knows off the top of their head as I dislike navigating javascript code and even if I find out that that's the issue, confirming the issue is all it will do. I am going to be the edge case for which the developers decline to stand on their heads to make a fix, probably. Honestly, the mobile platform needs their attention more anyway.


 * TL;DR the actual question is whether WP uses javascript somehow to display images. Elinruby (talk)
 * JavaScript is not required. The images are loaded from https://upload.wikimedia.org. Some browsers have a setting to block image loads from others domains, and may have a way to activate the setting for a specific site. Ottoman clothing displays https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Ottoman_official%2C_Turkey%2C_Istanbul%2C_c._1650%2C_ink%2C_watercolour%2C_gold_on_paper_-_Aga_Khan_Museum_-_Toronto%2C_Canada_-_DSC06822.jpg/250px-Ottoman_official%2C_Turkey%2C_Istanbul%2C_c._1650%2C_ink%2C_watercolour%2C_gold_on_paper_-_Aga_Khan_Museum_-_Toronto%2C_Canada_-_DSC06822.jpg. Do you see the image at the latter url? A few interface images are stored here at https://en.wikipedia.org. The lower right corner displays https://en.wikipedia.org/static/images/footer/poweredby_mediawiki_88x31.png. Do you see that? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I do see those images! Props for noticing what I have been researching the last few hours btw ;)
 * So what does that tell us. though? Enable Javascript is checked in the browser. Let me take another look to make sure I didn't miss something. This is Opera btw, not AOL or MSN or anything, although a very old version, which is why I was wondering about javascript -- that and the warning labels. I have an even more obscure browser I could take a look at real quick, but I don't know much about that one. Feeling encouraged, like somebody might have an idea here ;P Elinruby (talk) 11:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Well. For some reason I am no longer having the issue. I have no idea how that happened, however, since the entire time I was editing that article I did not see any of the images, until I clicked your link. I didn't *click* on any of the images, though...hmm. It wouldn't be cache, since I had never been at that article before.... mumble. I probably sound cray-cray. Deep breath. If anyone can explain this to me, I would be grateful. Something about the difference between clicking a link and looking at a link to an image somehow? In any case, I guess this can be closed as resolved. Images now display. Thank you all, it's been nice babbling with you. Elinruby (talk) 11:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

How to organize an article
Hello, I'm trying to organize the List of Zelda characters page, because it's really confusing to me and probably other people too. Almost all the characters are in the support character category, and it makes it really hard and awkward to navigate. Is there a way to easily put all the characters in different categories? Such as characters from Tears of the Kingdom or characters from Breath of the Wild? Thank you to whoever replies. 2601:48:C601:5550:74C7:D0FE:DEBA:13AF (talk) 03:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello IP Address 2601:48:C601:5550:74C7:D0FE:DEBA:13AF. The immediate answer to your first question is, "Yes." I had a similar problem when creating the article Timeline of Francis Drake's circumnavigation.  I determined that a table would serve the organization well but hesitated especially when considering how do do so using source code--something of which I am not particularly adept.  I solved the matter by first developing my idea and outline on paper until I was satisfied with the overall organizational structure.  Then I perused many list articles until I found a similar looking format and used that source code as a model with much copy and pasting.  Perhaps you might eventually do the same.
 * However, a thoughtful answer to your question is that you may not be prepared to execute the necessary editing. Considering that you have completed 13 edits (almost half to the Teahouse or Help Desk) and have been editing for a total of 5 days, this will be a bit of a task for you.  Some further practice at less onerous and demanding editing will likely best serve you. This project possibly could be a place for you to assist in building the encyclopedia and simultaneously gain some editing experience.  I do hope this helps and I encourage you in your editing. Most kind regards to all, Hu Nhu (talk) 04:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Signature font
Hi. I recently changed my signature from the default to the one I'm using right now. Is there any way I can change its font to the monospaced font used by the source editor? I read WP:SIGFONT but couldn't figure out how to do it. Thanks.  [[User:CanonNi ]] (talk|contribs) 05:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @CanonNi: Hi there! Have you tried adding  tags to make something like this?     GoingBatty (talk) 06:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Works great, thanks! If possible, is there a way to make the and ' ' ' also in the code format? Thanks. [[   (talk | contribs) 06:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Got it working. Thanks! ]]''' (talk | contribs) 07:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks like you have a redundant code tag leaving vertical bars in the middle – removing the inner opening/closing code tag, like, would do what you want, I believe (unless you wanted the inner part in its own tag for some reason). Tollens (talk) 08:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That fixed it, thanks!  (talk | contribs) 08:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Unable to login
unable to login wikipedia page im putting right username then to its showing wrong Authoraanshi7 (talk) 07:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * You appear to have already logged in successfully as Authoraanshi7 – are you trying to log in to a different account? Tollens (talk) 08:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This is your only edit, so just abandon this account and create a new one with the correct name. You will need to log out of this account first. Shantavira|feed me 08:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If it's about the account Authoraanshi7 then there is no problem. User:Authoraanshi7 says "Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact title" but that doesn't matter. It's optional to create a user page and the account works fine without it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Twinkle vandalism rollback - automatically opening user page to give warning
Many years ago I disabled the Twinkle feature that automatically opened the user page when reverting vandalism so that a warning could be given. I want to restore that feature but I don't seem to be able to do that. In the Revert and Rollback section of Twinkle Preferences, I've: It still doesn't seem to do it. What am I not doing right? DeCausa (talk) 08:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ticked "Automatically open the Twinkle warn menu"
 * ticked "vandalism rollback" under "Open user talk page after these types of reversions"
 * ticked "Open user talk page when invoking rollback"


 * There's a "Save changes" button at the very bottom of the config page – have you clicked it? Tollens (talk) 08:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Never mind, yes you have. I'll keep looking and see what I can find. Tollens (talk) 08:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Your config page seems to be set up the same as mine for everything that looks like it should matter for this, and I do get a user talk page when I use the Twinkle rollback, so I'm not sure why it wouldn't work for you. Is your browser perhaps set up to block popups? Tollens (talk) 08:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah! of course. That's fixed it. Thanks very much for taking the trouble to look - very sorry for taking up your time! I should have checked that first. DeCausa (talk) 10:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

NDB Citation again
Hi Folks!! Is there a template to cite this on NDB: It is the new continuation of the biography's for the digital age according to the spiel but the NDB template doesn't seem to work with it. Is it a straight cite web.  scope_creep Talk  09:12, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * scope creep, you could ask at Template talk:NDB. If the DNB template can't be used for DNB content without page numbers, it would be helpful to note that on the template page. TSventon (talk) 13:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Spent an hour on it, so hopefully they can do something. Thanks.  scope_creep Talk  13:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Moving "Margaret Tynes" to draft space
What is the correct procedure to recommend a controversial move of Margaret Tynes to Draft Space? --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello . This might be of assistance. Additionally, I see you have begun discussing the matter HERE.  A further step could eventually be to request a wp:3o. Kind regards to all,Hu Nhu (talk) 04:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Reply -, WP:MV is very long. Would you be willing to narrow this down? --Jax 0677 (talk) 07:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * see WP:DRAFTIFY for when it is appropriate to move an article to draftspace. TSventon (talk) 08:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)