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conflict of interest
Does editing a series of webpages related to one company is consider a conflict of interest? An administrator left me a message that I have a conflict of interest due to editing at a fast pace of RAI topics since creating the account.

I told the administrator that I do not have a conflict of interest but the administrator did not believe I didn't had a conflict of interest. Soafy234 (talk) 00:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Soafy234, no, a conflict of interest is when you have reason to edit the article in a non-neutral manner. For example, if you are an employee of the company, you know the owner, a relative founded it, etc.
 * Administrator Rosguill thinks you have a conflict of interest because you are rapidly editing articles related to a company. Many companies and people hire Wikipedia editors to, against the Terms of Service, edit the article to promote themselves (WP:UPE) and Rosguill thinks your account was created for this purpose. Of course, if you do not have a conflict of interest, your contributions are welcome, but try to stay away from company articles etc to avoid suspicion. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 02:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your response to my question. I just think that basing it off of edits and rapidly editing company related articles shouldn't suspect an administrator to think or to suspect that a user has a conflict of interest. I do think a better methodology should be examined in the near future to avoid false cases of suspicious that a user has a conflict of interest. This is just my opinions and thoughts on the matter. Soafy234 (talk) 08:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your concern, but we get hundreds and hundreds of edits per day, quite a few of them as Sungodtemple desribes; and all our editors and administrators are volunteers, who have only so much time to give to the project. ColinFine (talk) 10:54, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You are proposing that we abandon one of the most obvious and high-yield ways of spotting COI editors and illicit paid editing because it might theoretically generate some false positives? Ain't gonna happen. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:46, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair point that the current methodology works for now. I am just stating my opinion and thoughts on the current method.
 * As I said earlier, I do not have a conflict of interest on RAI related topics/webpages (whatever term people want to use). I prefer translating things from one language to another language as needed. While my edit history doesn't show that yet, it eventually will.
 * Additionally, people can watch recordings of most of what is broadcasted on RAI Channels through raiplay.it through guided replay (though sports replay and tv show episodes replays may not be allowed to be rewatched due to copyright concerns and such). So I do vet information through this website before putting it onto the English webpage wikipedia version incase the Italian webpage wikipedia version is outdated and/or someone mis-stated a fact.
 * I just noticed something was outdate on TG3 but I am afraid Roseguill will open up a WP:COIN on me as it is a RAI related topic, as they (this is Roseguill's pronouns) think I may have a COI even though I do not. I just am a "nerd" and have an interest on Rai related topic as I started watching this program at home in the United States back in 2015-ish.
 * As ColinFine said, we volunteer our time to edit. Back in 2015, I didn't even think to start editing for Wikipedia. But when I noticed that most Italian shows don't have a webpage here, I wonder -- when will someone have time to do it and/or update them? That is where I wanted to contribute because it never going to get done on it own without the help of someone.
 * So in short, I do not have a conflict of interest on one group of pages related together such as RAI. Even though Roseguill suspects I do based on me rapidly editing them together, it just something that I had the idea of and hopefully people will appreciate it at some point in time. Soafy234 (talk) 19:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Could try talking to him again. If the page edits are added in a neutral tone, and references are good i dont see why he will still believe there is a comflict of interest Drakkar68 (talk) 00:52, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Pump It Up by Elvis Costello
So I found an archived website from Paste that stated the song as a "peppy punk dance rocker". So if I put that in the genres, should I put that as Dance-punk or Dance-rock? Iamthegoat524 (talk) 00:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Neither, if you only have that one source. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh so I can't use both of those, okay. What about the word "punk" that's left there. Iamthegoat524 (talk) 03:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Iamthegoat524: Hi there! Adding/changing genres in song articles can be contentious.  The best place to ask about this is at Talk:Pump It Up (Elvis Costello song), with a link to the source. GoingBatty (talk) 04:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

(Personal) classification
Hello, I was wondering if there was a way to create diferent categories in ones profile to save and classify articles, for example one of read articles, one pending reading, one to periodically keep an eye on and so forth. Thank you. Aekir (talk) 02:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Categories aren't the best way to do this, but you could just make a bulleted text list of articles you want to work on, a separate one for what you've read, etc. You can do that in different sub pages in your userspace if you would like, instead of on the same page. You can also use your watch list to keep an eye on specific articles. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Where to go to ask about notability
Is there anywhere to go to get a second opinion on if a topic is notable enough for an article? I really don't like the idea of things I work on getting deleted due to my carelessness so I want to be very sure before I make something that it is suitable for inclusion. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * If you haven't already, it may be helpful to check out Wikipedia's Notability Guidelines. There's also a lot of sub-guidelines linked in the sidebar of that page that may provide further information in specific topic areas such as films, people, or sports. The Doctor Who  (talk) 07:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I've read them, and I'm quite familiar and I believe I understand them well generally especially in the areas I most often edit in, but I'm confused when it comes to a few things like locations, especially when it comes to what constitutes "significant coverage" of these locations (I'm not talking about specific cities or legally recognized populated places, in this case it is 1) a specific square and 2) a military base) PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You can try here, Teahouse, related Wikiproject talkpages, etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * A problem is that these places are arguably most notorious for a specific thing happening there (in both cases, given my topic of interest, extremely notorious crimes). I'm wondering if they are perhaps separately notable from the events that occurred there. Both are in South Africa because my interest has focused on that lately.
 * Location 1 -
 * Strijdom Square (later renamed Lilian Ngoyi square) - partial site of the 1988 Strijdom Square massacre. Originally named after an apartheid supporting PM, later renamed after an anti-Apartheid activist.
 * A few sources:
 * The geography and history of the square was discussed quite at length in this:http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/951/3/MonumentalspacePDF.pdf however this is also about the shooting so I'm not sure that really counts, but it is really in depth
 * https://www.news24.com/news24/giant-strijdom-statue-smashed-20010531
 * https://mg.co.za/article/2004-01-14-pretorias-strijdom-square-to-be-renamed/
 * discussed here
 * on rename/rebuilding https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/pretoria-square-to-cost-r100m-1486867
 * Tempe military base - I think this is more likely to be notable than the square, as it was the site of a bunch of different things happening there and so many, many controversies, but is probably most notable for the article I just made, 1999 Tempe military base shooting.
 * A few sources
 * https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/tempe-military-bases-history-of-scandal-13052
 * https://www.iol.co.za/travel/south-africa/free-state/knives-vs-guns-on-free-state-army-base-1905610
 * https://www.news24.com/news24/community-newspaper/express-news/arms-smuggling-probed-20230905
 * a seemingly decent amount of Google books hits, though I'm not sure how many of these are reliable here
 * Do you think an article is worth having on either of these two locations? PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You could of course also go to a Wikiproject that is the same topic as the article. If you are worried about creation and deletion, you can also go through WP:AFC. My thoughts are if it's borderline, collect up the sources and see what youve got. Either you'll have basically no material, or you might have quite a few in depth pieces. If this is not true, a small couple of sentence article on the subject with all of the sources involved put into AfC will basically ask someone else to judge it.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:33, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

help
How do I create a wikipedia page for my company? 49.205.174.88 (talk) 07:05, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Assuming that you're the owner or an employee of the company, it's not recommended as you would have a conflict of interest and likely wouldn't be able to maintain a neutral point of view. If you believe that your company is notable enough for an article, I suggest adding it to Wikipedia's requested article database for another user to create. However, if you do insist on creating it yourself, you should create a new draft article and then submit it to the articles for creation process to be reviewed by an impartial editor. The Doctor Who  (talk) 07:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Please read When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 09:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * A conflict of interest would occur.
 * Also would be hard to get good enough references that are good if it is about a small or newly made company Drakkar68 (talk) 01:06, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Where to report an issue about the Dark Mode gadget?
I've found a bug in Dark Mode. It doesn't handle banners, right now there is Wiki Love Folklore banner that is not reversed back to normal colors like all images. I can fix the code but I'm not sure if I edit the file linked on the page if the Dark Mode will be fixed, since the CSS file is loaded from PHP (load.php file) not from Wiki. jcubic (talk) 10:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Jcubic presumably at Wikipedia talk:Dark mode (gadget). Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 13:59, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks, didn't notice that there is active Talk page. jcubic (talk) 14:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Question about English language (page: casoncelli)
The sources in Italian are rather confusing, at least the ones I have found: when is it correct to write, for example, "northeast", and when, instead, "north-east"? Page: Casoncelli. JackkBrown (talk) 14:32, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * JackkBrown, I think there is a mistake in your question, you have put "north-east" twice. TSventon (talk) 15:00, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * fixed. JackkBrown (talk) 15:09, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @JackkBrown: Does MOS:COMPASS answer your question? GoingBatty (talk) 15:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * so practically both variants are correct, however I much prefer the version without the hyphen. JackkBrown (talk) 15:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * More generally, you might want to read Points of the compass. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.208.215 (talk) 02:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

What's in an endorsement?
Howdy!

I'm doin' reference work on the page Newspaper endorsements in the 2008 United States presidential primaries, and after goin' at it for a while and lookin' over issues that had been raised on the talk page, I realized there were some disagreements over what exactly belonged on the list. I can parse some of these issues pretty clearly, but there is one thing that I'm not sure there's a consensus on: Does an endorsement from the founder or lead editor constitute an endorsement from the paper? I personally considered the answer to be yes, but then I read an endorsement from the co-founder of the North Coast Journal in which she distinguishes her own opinions from that of the paper as an entity.

Personally, I can see an argument from both sides. An individual person is an individual person, but it's also reasonable to assume that someone who founded a paper or was in charge of its contents would be a mouthpiece for it. A fair few of the editors of the wiki page itself seem to think so, too, based on what was listed there when I arrived.

Has there ever been some kind of discussion on this laid out somewhere? Am I just bein' too much of a stickler? I know that "political endorsements in publications" has gotta be a pretty niche field, but if there's any place where this has been brought up, I'd appreciate any pointers or insight.

Thanks in advance! ~Judy (call it in!) 20:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Janitor Judy: Hi there! If you haven't done so already, you might want to check the archives of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics to see if they've discussed this already.  You could also start a new discussion there if you don't get an answer here.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:10, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Prioritising line-break positions in text
Is is possible to prioritise a line-break position? For example if I were to have this text: This is the first sentence. This is the second sentence. These are both example sentences.

When the screen is not wide enough to fit the text, i've found it often wraps like this:

This is the first sentence. This is the second sentence. These are both example sentences.

Is there a way to control the line-break position to have the text wrap in a way that's more visually pleasing?

This is the first sentence. This is the second sentence. These are both example sentences.

I thought about using on each sentence after the first sentence but then realised if the screen is even smaller, the sentences wont display correctly because they go off the page or into an infobox. I don't care about line-break positions in most cases but in a select few instances I have found it has made the text slightly harder to read on narrow screens. Thank you anyone who can help! Theooolone (talk) 22:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Theooolone The template Break lines and related templates mentioned on that page can do what you want but I suspect that there will be circumstances when it fails with very narrow displays. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:16, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

correction to Wikipedia page "Molon labe" citation
Footnote 1 to the page Molon Labe cites "Plutarch. Moralia 225D (in Greek) – via Perseus Project." The correct attribution, "Plutarch, Apophthegmata Laconica 51" (also from the Perseus Project), is provided later in the text of the page. (Note that I am not a Wikipedia editor. If I were, I would hesitate to make this correction because it is not my field. I'm hoping someone can confirm the correction and then edit the page.) 184.169.112.59 (talk) 22:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi there! The best place to discuss the Molon labe article is its associated talk page, Talk:Molon labe.  Hopefully those editors who created the footnotes will be able to help you determine what corrections need to be made.  Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:33, 3 February 2024 (UTC)