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I uploaded my cat pictures the wrong way
I forgot that you upload them on the userpage itself, so I uploaded them to the commons instead. I wanted pictures of me and my cats on my userpage. What do I do now? Petjayso (talk) 03:45, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Petjayso, link the filename like you would an article, as long as it's there.PictureofTuxedoforuserpage.jpg — Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't add your own pictures, or address or phone number or social media handles. Internet is not a safe place, and anything you save here becomes public and will stay with you your whole life. Let your older self make those decisions for you. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Petjayso. There is no concept of "uploading a picture to a page". All images must be uploaded to Commons (or in certain circumstances, to Wikipedia itself) and then added to an article or other page. So you did it right! ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * When you are editing there is an option to upload and add an image but it's still uploaded to the same place as other images. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:45, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah. Thank you all. I assumed that I did it wrong because when you are uploading to the Commons it asks you to upload it only for educational purposes. So I guess its ok if I did it for my userpage only. My cat, that aint for educational purposes. But its alright for my userpage. Am I correct? Petjayso (talk) 15:10, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Uploading an image like this is completely OK per commons:Commons:Project scope, and your userpage is well within the guidelines on suitable content. I would still, however, consider removing some other personally identifiable information about you as asked at your talk page- NotAGenious (talk) 15:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It's unfortunate to see that has died, as evident by this image.  Panini!  • 🥪 03:35, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Page Previews
One thing I really hate about Wikipedia is the "page previews" functionality. Its rather annoying and rather useless. Worst of all, it can't be turned off, at least not permanently. Sure, you can go to settings turn it off and then save the setting, but its only temporary. Within a few days or weeks, the annoying page previews are back. I truly wish your developers would fix this issue! 69.112.11.174 (talk) 04:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * If you would like to disable the feature without relying on your browser cookies, I recommend creating an account. Remsense  诉  04:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The setting to permanently disable it for logged in users is at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

How can i get a backlink form wikipedia to my website?
Is there any possible way to get a backlink form wikipedia to my website. If yes, what's the process? Does wikipedia offers guest posting? 2407:D000:1A:7A05:4CB:5BFC:2220:59B8 (talk) 13:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Absolutely not. External links in Wikipedia articles are strictly limited to the circumstances in WP:ELYES. ColinFine (talk) 13:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * IP editor. All links on Wikipedia are nofollow, so any backlink to your website would be a waste of time. See WP:SEO. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:51, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

someone is damaging the document targeting me.
User Turkiishh keeps deleting only the photos I uploaded. What should I do? Tveol1091 (talk) 15:34, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You could start by explaining why you are making all these changes. Edit summaries exist for a reason, and you are providing none. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:47, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * First, this is not the place to raise this issue. Second, you are engaged in a campaign of unexplained changes that to some of us appear unhelpful and disruptive. Third, the section heading you give here is not helpful to anyone. Eric talk 15:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * This is a perfectly fine place to ask. Even if it were not, saying so without give a better alternative is not in the spirit of this page, nor indeed Wikipedia.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:12, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the lesson, Andy. Eric talk 12:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * See WP:DR. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:12, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

FYI all: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes. Eric talk 15:33, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Extensive replacement text for existing entry
Hello Help Desk,

I have written an extensively expanded article on the educationalist and psychotherapist George Lyward* (3400 words) based on and including the one that is currently there (750 words). This being such a major change I did not want to just plonk it in there without any warning and thought I should run it by a senior editor first. Can you advise me please ? Many thanks.

* George Lyward

Taraxacum44 (talk) 15:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Taraxacum44 There are no "senior editors" here, just volunteers, some of whom are more experienced than others. You have not linked your proposed new article, just the existing one, and I don't see anything in your contribution history where the enlarged draft might be. There is no harm in being WP:BOLD and "plonking it in", with a suitable edit summary. If someone objects, they may have to revert the whole of your work rather than attempt to salvage the parts they may be happy with. However, that would just mean you would need to discuss a more incremental approach via the article's Talk Page. See WP:BRD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * .... incidentally, if you expand the article more than fivefold, the new version may qualify for a "did you know" on the Main Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Very helpful - many thanks - will be bold !
 * Norman Taraxacum44 (talk) 10:15, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Caroine J Ashley
My active-duty service ended in 1989 due to a medical retirement. I was broken! I was wounded! I now needed someone to advocate, support, and care for me. I began to uncover and face the abuse I experienced in pursuing my desired career. As a woman, especially of color, these sacrifices made and achievements reached came at a great cost. I didn’t seek it for recognition or glory but simply out of duty and honor for my job to protect our freedom in service to our country. I know firsthand the struggles faced by women who joined the Armed Forces in 1975, often left alone to fight their internal and external battles without the guidance of older female leadership. The struggle can harm one’s physical and mental health without proper support and resources. I decided to allow my pain to fuel my purpose to help fellow comrades. On February 24, 2010, I founded Freedom Gifts, a 501(c)3 organization dedicated to serving veterans, their families, and their caregivers. Freedom Gifts is a supportive ministry designed to help those who suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), Military Sexual Trauma (MST), anxiety, and depression. We aim to provide a loving, understanding, and healing community for veterans. Our outreach programs assist veterans in various areas where they may need advocacy, care, and support. At Freedom Gifts, we communicate and understand the language of service, committing to kindness, respect, honesty, compassion, faith, friendship, and spirituality. I also focused on advocating for and caring for my close relative, a cousin who was like a nephew. Antonio, fondly known as Tony, lived with me briefly during my military career. I cherish the memories of teaching him how to walk. He joined the Marines and became a veteran grappling with the severe effects of Multiple Sclerosis. Eventually, I brought him into my home to provide him with the needed care and support. I also assisted him in getting his social security and disability benefits. Despite becoming bedridden and losing most of his bodily functions, he had a resilient spirit and managed to smile through his struggles. He took his first steps with me and his last breath in life with me. Providing care for Tony until his passing in 2021 was one of my life’s most rewarding and fulfilling experiences and the ultimate expression of “freedom gifts.” My faith in God, my family, and the support of my personal angel, Mother Inez Allen, have been instrumental in my success on this journey. Thank you for visiting our page and learning more about Freedom Gifts. I am grateful for your interest, participation, partnership, and support. Together, we can create a supportive community for our veterans, their families and caregivers, and those who care for them. So, let’s unite in our mission, lighting the path of compassion—because at Freedom Gifts, we’re not just a community, we’re a family. Caroline.j.ashleyy (talk) 16:13, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Caroline.j.ashleyy, hello. Unfortunately, Wikipedia isn't a place to write an autobiography, or advertise your private interests or charity work, we are an encyclopedia with a neutral point of view based on reliable sources. If you're interested in writing a different article about a subject with which you don't have a conflict of interest, I recommend reading Help:Your first article: if you have any other questions, please let us know! Cheers. Remsense  诉  16:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The OP has been blocked (having apparently made no other edits then the above), which seems incredibly inappropriate. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Finding a Deleted Article
Looking for an article titled "Henderson Mill Road" that was posted but subsequently deleted (by the road group - as not notable) some years ago. The local historical society is interested in the research contained within that article. Gulbenk (talk) 16:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I believe you can request what you're looking for at WP:UNDELETE. Remsense  诉  16:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you Remsense. I will take that course as one of my actions, in addition to the suggestion listed below. Gulbenk (talk) 16:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gulbenk Like many deleted articles, it has been mirrored to other wikis where it still exists: you can Google for it on everybodywiki, for example (which I'm not allowed to link here). Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Detailed Advice on Dealing with Edit Conflicts ?
Is there a page that provides detailed advice about what an editor should do when they get the message that there is an edit conflict, which is known in computing as a race condition? Although the handling of race conditions on editing talk pages and articles is more robust than it was ten years ago, I still find that sometimes, when I give what I think is the right answer to preserve both the intervening edit and my edit, that either the intervening edit or my edit gets thrown away. The edit conflict screen that is displayed is not self-explanatory. Is there detailed advice on how the second editor should respond to the screen? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * can you provide more detail regarding how the instructions at WP:EDIT CONFLICT, particularly the Layout of the edit-conflict page and Resolving an edit conflict sections, are inadequate? If someone had asked me the question Where do I go to see how to resolve edit conflicts?, I would have linked that how-to-guide without much additional commentary. VQuakr (talk) 18:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * User:VQuakr - Okay. It says what I have too often found, which is that it is sometimes necessary to save one's changes to the clipboard or to Notepad or Word.  (It also briefly annoyed me by describing what happens when Alice has made large changes and Bob has made small changes.  I had made large additions and another editor had made a small edition, and I am not Alice.)  It appears that there may not have been a right answer for my situation other than saving my changes to Notepad.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I basically agree with you, it is a problem without any good answers, and it isn't the kind of thing where you get a chance to build up skills. There are different sorts of scenarios (e.g. whether you're editing a section or the whole page, what options you have enabled, etc.), and the behavior may depend on your preferences.  One strategy that some people may use is just to make small (and hence quick) edits.  But it can be annoying when people make many small edits instead of doing them as a single edit.
 * IMO, if you have an edit that can't be done quickly, the better strategy is to go do your edits outside of the page you're editing. Then when you've figured out exactly what changes you want, copy and paste them to the article you were going to apply those changes to, so that there's negligible chance of having it identified as an edit conflict.  Of course, if the original page has changed, you need to figure out how to merge your changes in. Fabrickator (talk) 19:31, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. I tend to use multiple source editing windows instead of notepad, but that's just potato/potahto. Ultimately I think this boils down to working within the limits of the software. In my experience most ECs are easy to resolve by copy/pasting my conflicting comment back into its intended location, but for those few that are more complicated things get messy very quickly. VQuakr (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Robert McClenon: I've found the Paragraph-based Edit Conflict Interface to be helpful in resolving conflicts, but not perfect. If you'd like to try it, you can enable it in your Preferences > Beta features.  Hope this helps. GoingBatty (talk) 20:28, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, User:GoingBatty. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I will also comment, only indirectly related, that there are some race conditions that are not detected as edit conflicts, because they are not the result of two users editing, but of one user editing and another taking some action that is not an edit, usually with Twinkle, or two editors taking different non-edit, such as Twinkle, actions. They are usually easily recognized by an editor who has a computing or electrical engineering background, who will see that they are race conditions, but can be puzzling to other editors.  These sometimes happen on New Page Patrol or Articles for Creation, because two editors may see the same article when it becomes available for review.  For example, one reviewer tries to nominate an article for deletion while another reviewer is moving the article into draft space, or two reviewers try to accept the same draft at the same time.  Usually these collisions are harmless but confusing.  Should there be documentation that mentions them?  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Image Deletion
A bot had deleted my image. They said that I was a copyright violation, but I completely said when uploading the image, I selected "Someone else work". Could someone restore the image and block this user Abzeronow because he definitely deleted it without permission. Here is my image file: c:File:72576978007-halcyon-concept-010724-es-16.webp. ⚒️ ★MinecraftPlayer★321 ⚒️ Let's Chat! 21:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi MinecraftPlayer321. The file was uploaded to Commons and deleted there, so it's out of our jurisdiction. At a glance, it was a good deletion, since it looks like you got the images from a website that is copyrighted. If you're not sure about an image's copyright status, you should ask for help before uploading it. I would be happy to answer questions of that nature to the best of my ability.
 * There are a lot of rules here, and at Commons, and it's often true that we only learn about them when we accidentally break them. I encourage you to respond with more questions, and less calls for blocking the people that bring the rules to your attention. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I clicked "This is someone else's work" and added the copyright. Could you help me bring the image back but with all of the copyright because I did put copyrights there. ⚒️ ★MinecraftPlayer★321 ⚒️ Let's Chat! 22:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Commons doesn't accept copyrighted works. Wikipedia doesn't accept copyrighted works unless our use is compliant with the WP:NFCC policy. It's unlikely that copyrighted photos of a car would meet criterion #1, since a copyright-free photo of the car could be created. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Since the concept of the car had not been launched on model, do I have to wait until someone took a copyright-free photo in-person in the car show, will they post it on Commons? ⚒️ ★MinecraftPlayer★321 ⚒️ Let's Chat! 22:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe. You could also reach out to photographers, or the car company, to see if they'd be willing to release one for the Wikipedia page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you ⚒️ ★MinecraftPlayer★321 ⚒️ Let's Chat! 22:19, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * We encourage our folks to attend car shows, literary conferences, academic meetings, rock concerts, sport events, county fairs and any other place where pictures of subjects may be taken by people willing to license them for the common good. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * For any chances anyone got one ready to go? ⚒️MinecraftPlayer321⚒️ Let's Chat! 03:24, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Plagarism, copyright infringement, or not?
Currently the article on Erich Berneker is pretty much just a translation of the corresponding article on enciklopedija.hr (Hrvatska enciklopedija), which is copyrighted; much the same text is found on ru.wiki too. Does this constitute plagarism and/or a breach of copyright? What should be done about it, if yes? — Phazd (talk|contribs) 23:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Please investigate further. Our article has been in place since 2014, so there is a possibility that the copy went in the other direction. If by "ru.wiki" you mean the Russian Wikipedia, you can check the creation date there. I don't know about the other one. neither of them is older than ours, as do not need to do anything, but you might put a note on the article's talk page with the results of your investigation. If either if them is older, come back here. -Arch dude (talk) 00:42, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Can you determine whether the content originated on ru.wikipedia.org or on Hrvatska enciklopedija? If the first, then there the only problem is to properly attribute the source. If the second, there may well be a copyright violation. If the content originated on the English Wikipedia, then there is no problem. Cullen328 (talk) 00:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Arch dude @Cullen328 It's trivial to prove that the source is Hrv. enc. The earliest version of the WP article on Berneker, from 2014, cites Hrv. enc. at the end of each of its three paragraphs (the editor who created the article is a native Croatian speaker) - it would make no sense for Hrv. enc. to copy from a WP article that is itself entirely sourced from Hrv. enc. Also, the Russian version was created in 2020 by translation from English - it says so in the edit history there... Not to mention Hrv. enc. is a respectable encyclopedia that was published in print before Wikipedia existed; their online text on Berneker has remained nearly unchanged since 2014 - the page was saved on Archive.org immediately after the WP page was created). Since 2014 only one sentence, on Berneker's editorship of "Archiv...", has been added to Hrv. enc. – which is also the only sentence that is missing from the WP article. — Phazd (talk|contribs) 03:51, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Moved to talk:Erich Berneker. -Arch dude (talk) 16:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)