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Review of blocked sockpuppet articles
Recently 13Joker13 and လူကောင်း were blocked for being sockpuppet accounts. The full case can be found here but basically there are some real WP:CIR issues with this user. The following articles have been created.


 * Ulf Löfgren
 * Elsa Beskow plaque
 * Anders Holmer
 * Kumisi Lake
 * Bebesiri
 * 4th Parliament of Georgia
 * Melik Raisian
 * List of Lithuanians by net worth
 * Irma Nadirashvili
 * Paata Mkheidze
 * Bidzina Gegidze
 * Mahir Darziev

Given the CIR issues, I wonder do we need to do a review of articles to see if they can be kept or at least draftified first. For example Ulf Löfgren is almost a direct copy paste of google translate from the Swedish wikipedia page.

Is there a page we can place this request on?

- Imcdc  Contact  05:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

App
i want to know about this app 41.113.158.84 (talk) 07:22, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Which app? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you perhaps looking for Wikipedia's mobile apps? Shantavira|feed me 11:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

John Taylor (Unitarian hymn writer)
Please repair references number 8 and 10. I cannot do this successfully. Thank you 175.38.37.197 (talk) 10:46, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ You needed to supply a journal= parameter, and then since that had been used as the title to find a proper title for the piece. I've also removed the duplication, 8 and 10 referred to the same article. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:57, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Martin of Sheffield 2806:264:5483:19B1:75BF:F9B5:2E0F:CA5C (talk) 03:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

How to display talk pages as web pages in mobile view?
In mobile view, is there any way to display talk pages as web pages the way the "view as web page" button used to do?

(Explanation, FWIW: Currently, talk pages by default appear in mobile browsers in a simplified form that shows only discussion threads and omits userboxes, templates, archive links et cetera. Although there is now a clickable "Learn more about this page" button that displays the omitted material, it shows only that material, without the discussion threads. I want to see the full page in mobile view without having to switch to desktop view.)

Thanks and happy editing -- Middle 8 privacy • (s)talk 11:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Middle 8, that button seems to have been removed in T280417. Maybe Matma Rex, the developer who made this change, knows about a workaround. Rummskartoffel 14:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Middle 8 Sorry, there isn't really a convenient workaround. I hope this isn't too much of an inconvenience for you. The feature was almost entirely unused and required us to maintain two separate sets of styles.
 * There is an inconvenient workaround though – if you add ?dtenable=0 to a page URL, you can view it with all discussion features disabled, for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Doctor_Who?dtenable=0. Note that this is only a debugging tool intended for developers, and so we can't promise that it will display things correctly (we no longer test this), or continue working at all. Matma Rex talk 17:08, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @ Matma Rex - Thank you for your thoughtful reply! No, it's no great inconvenience. BTW, I tried the provisional workaround with ?dtenable=0 on my usertalk and was able to create a new section, FWIW. --Middle 8 privacy • (s)talk  17:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

The WP:Contact us does not have the Next button.
As like as most pages for Wikipedia, there is a button called 'Previous' and 'Next'. Would you mind taking some time adding the blue button? 2001:EE0:4BC7:6D80:DC97:2FF6:583C:A2A0 (talk) 13:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I think a reason behind that choice was because there is no specific order to view them in. Different tabs are meant for different users. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 14:39, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Most pages in Wikipedia do not have "Next" or "Previous" buttons, because they would make no sense. ColinFine (talk) 15:40, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit notice when editing article Star Control
When editing the article Star Control, I see a note saying:

There are suggestions on this article's talk page for references that may be useful when improving this article in the future. (See the talk page section that begins "The following ...".)

There is no such section. Talk:Star Control is empty of discussion and its only archive Talk:Star Control/Archives/2023/December only has sections that begin with "The following" in the RFC and DYK sections.

What is this note about and if it's wrong, how do I get to edit or delete it? J I P &#124; Talk 16:43, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * The note is referring to the banner on the talk page right below the WikiProjects. There are two links, one to an interview on Youtube and another to an Ars Technica article. It doesn't refer to any particular topic of discussion. That template could probably be improved by stating that it's pointing to a banner - stating "talk page section" is misleading Recon  rabbit  16:59, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The text is from Refideas editnotice where Jonesey95 wrote: '(See the talk page section that begins "The following...".)'. Refideas makes a box and is used at top of the page, not in a section. I suggest 'See the box that begins ...'. The previous sentence says "Talk page" and links the talk page so I don't think "talk page" has to be repeated. The link goes to Talk:Star Control which would normally place the box at top when you click it but the page is so short that most users will be placed higher up because the browser doesn't have room to scroll down. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:37, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. I have updated the text to refer to a "box" rather than a "section". – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:06, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Can’t access a Teahouse reply I was writing
I was writing a reply to someone who in turn had replied to a question I’d raised there, when suddenly I ended up outside the Teahouse. I don’t know what happened. When I came back to the Teahouse, a system message told me my changes (which were original words I’d been typing, not changes as such) had been saved.

That sounded nice but after multiple tries, I can’t get back into that thread (titled ”Any way to download Wikipedia pages?”). I can get into the Teahouse itself, just not that message. Augnablik (talk) 19:03, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Augnablik are you looking for Teahouse TSventon (talk) 19:14, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry, that one. Augnablik (talk) 19:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * A related issue: until the problem I wrote about is fixed — probably by completing the reply I’d begun to an earlier replies my original message — apparently I can’t reply to ANY Teahouse messages.
 * But I don’t see the message I had started, so how can I complete it? 😕 Augnablik (talk) 02:59, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You could try disabling and enabling the reply-tool in preferences here: Special:Preferences. TSventon (talk) 04:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Tibet Autonomous Region
boldly moved page Tibet Autonomous Region to Xizang Autonomous Region and edited the article to reflect its new primary name. I think that probably requires discussion about whether it's the WP:COMMONNAME. I don't have the competence to undo the move before discussing, can someone else oblige, please? Bazza 7 (talk) 20:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅. Maproom (talk) 21:22, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

1990 Pontiac Excitement 400 NASCAR Race
You don't mention that it was the coldest race in NASCAR history with a temperature of 5°F ! 2600:1005:A021:94CB:8139:B5AC:8621:4558 (talk) 23:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * You can always add that, supported by a reliable source. However, such facts might be considered trivia which is not allowed. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 00:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The source in references 3 & 4, a newspaper report of the race, makes the point that it was very cold, so that alone is probably worth mentioning. But the report doesn't say that it was the coldest race in NASCAR history up to that point, and of course doesn't apply to post-1990 NASCAR history; we would certainly need a reliable source stating this supposed record. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.45.226 (talk) 01:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)