Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2024 January 1

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New fantastic year (off-topic)
Happy everyone!!! New Year has coming than ever to be! Wishing volunteers on Wikipedia have a good start on the new year!!! Must say that 2023 had experienced some important events for the volunteer staff to clear vandalism, reformatting some red links and anti-disrupting on the platform! Brilliant work, Wikipedians! Keep up your appreciated job as a volunteer, appearing a administrator or just newcomers! Cheers from Vietnam 🇻🇳!!! thumb|align=center|A firework closing a busy year! 2001:EE0:4BC2:E9E0:5DB:6154:E8B8:7AD3 (talk) 00:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * aye, just shutting down for the night after welcoming in 2024. Best wishes to all for a happy and prosperous 2024. Good grief, it's nearly a quarter century since the millennium, where has the time gone? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 00:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, hope you a prosperous, cheerful 2024 too! Appreciate your best wish! 2001:EE0:4BC2:E9E0:5DB:6154:E8B8:7AD3 (talk) 00:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I must have to say that everything has gone farther and farther and... time flies 🕊. 2001:EE0:4BC2:E9E0:5DB:6154:E8B8:7AD3 (talk) 01:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

John Dalgleish Donaldson
References number 1 and 10 are the same and need to be fixed up - I have failed in my attempts to do this. please repair if you are able. Thanks you. 175.38.42.62 (talk) 03:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * with named references - Please study this edit, and then fix the other error in reference #1. GoingBatty (talk) 04:09, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ref. number 1 which is used twice - is still in the red. Can you help please. Very difficult. Thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 04:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Ref. number 1
Sorry - still a problem - Ref. number 1 which is used twice - is still in the red - it says in red "last generic name". Can you help please. Very difficult. Thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 04:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Done, with this edit. Sometimes the auto-generated citations do that, so it's best to check over those. ayakanaa  ( t · c ) 05:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Martineau family
Ref numbers 74 and 75 are both in red - I have failed to fix them up. Please fix if you have the time. Sorry 175.38.42.62 (talk) 03:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * - Please study these diffs to see what was done, so you can do the same in the future. GoingBatty (talk) 04:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Adding page number to citation
ref number 79 - I have discovered the page number - it is 120. - Can you put that in the citation please, I cannot. Thanks and that's all for tonight!175.38.42.62 (talk) 04:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅ ayakanaa  ( t · c ) 04:26, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Removing "page number needed"
Can you please get rid of the "page number needed" sign beside ref number 79 if that's the right thing to do ?(we now have the correct page number)175.38.42.62 (talk) 04:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Done, with this edit. (I suggest you be bold and do it yourself next time) Happy New Year, ayakanaa  ( t · c ) 05:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood
Photo size reduction - lease make the photographs in the "Charity work" section of this article smaller so that they all fit neatly into the section. Please do this if you are able - we cannot. Thank you 175.38.42.62 (talk) 05:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Note that the source code for the first photo includes .  You can change "190" to a smaller number to make the photo smaller.  Add a similar parameter to the second photo to control the size as well. GoingBatty (talk) 06:06, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I am so pleased that I did it myself. 175.38.42.62 (talk) 06:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't use hard-coded pixel sizes like that. use  or   (or some other figure)/  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Phillip Lynch
Please fix up refs. numbers 2 and 3 thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 07:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Done – the CS1 errors on those references were caused by the "|website=" parameter being specified for the cite book template. I went ahead and removed those parameters to resolve the errors. We use "|publisher=" on book citations to specify who published the book. "|website=" is not a valid parameter for that template. If you click on the link in the error, it'll provide you with a help page of the possible causes for that error. Happy New Year, and kind regards, — AP 499D25  (talk)  09:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Village pump: idea lab vs proposals
Just want some quick clarification, regarding the difference between Village Pump: Idea Lab and Village Pump: Proposals.

They both seem to be discussion pages for putting out new things to implement on Wikipedia. My interpretation of them is that the idea lab is for informally putting out ideas and developing them, getting feedback, making it into a final "prototype" that represents consensus among the community. Proposals is for formally requesting additions or significant changes to Wikipedia as-is, i.e. what has been posted will very much be like what gets implemented. The final product in the end won't be much different than the proposed idea.

Is this correct? — AP 499D25  (talk)  09:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * User:AP 499D25, yes, that's a pretty accurate characterisation of those two venues. WP:VPI is the workshop, and WP:VPR generates the consensus. Some people will start an idea at a small venue, bring it to VPI for feedback, and once they've incorporated popular addons and removed bits nobody liked, take the reworked idea to VPR for !voting. This seems like a lot of paperwork, but also the most effective avenue. If something has been sufficiently discussed at a smaller venue, it can go straight to VPR without the intermediate step. Folly Mox (talk) 06:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks for the explanation! — AP 499D25  (talk)  08:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

New wikipedia Page
Hi I'm a student of BA last year and poet and author.i published 2 books in 2023 and new 5 book is my target in 2024 so I wanna create my wikipedia page ,can I? My question seems rude but it's not true. Skindiawale (talk) 11:10, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * no, you cannot. ltb d l (talk) 11:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Would you provide some reason? Skindiawale (talk) 11:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Your question does not seem rude. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, please read the autobiography policy.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia about notable topics which is composed of articles typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the subject, who take note of coverage of a subject in independent reliable sources and choose to write about it.  There is criteria for inclusion, which we term notability- such as the definition of a notable creative professional.  As anyone can publish a book through self-publishing, merely publishing books does not meet this criteria. If others review your work and write about it, describing what makes you important as an author or more broadly a notable person, someone will eventually write an article about you.  Be advised that an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. 331dot (talk) 11:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ￼i agree then start following me sir on insta and one day you will create page for me. Thanks❤
 * My insta handle is . Skindiawale (talk) 11:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * , self-promotion is forbidden on Wikipedia. That includes promoting your Instagram account. Cullen328 (talk) 22:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

List of Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance candidates for the 2024 Indian general election
No fault of any editors here, save for one sock who is blocked and me for not raising this sooner. This is purely an attribution question/issue. Courtesy pings to involved (in a good sense) editors:. Questions are:
 * Articles for deletion/List of Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance candidates in the 2024 Indian general election closed as draftify, which is at Draft:(November AfD) List of Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance candidates in the 2024 Indian general election. There was already Draft:List of Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance candidates in the 2024 Indian general election from September and I probably should have requested this be resolved then.

Star  Mississippi  16:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Do these and the new mainspace version (List of Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance candidates for the 2024 Indian general election) need a history merge or other resolution for attribution? They were predominantly created by AS Sayyad but edited by others. Thanks in advance for any assistance and apologies for the mess.

Help with page move fiasco
If you look at my contribs, you'll see that what I thought was the simple act of moving my talk page to become this year's archive page has resulted in a major screwup, apparently compounding problems that I've been causing to myself for the last few years. There are 3 or 4 pages of this stuff in my contribs list. There's a chain of links for each one, and what I want is for the last name in the chain to be directly attached to my user talk page rather than being in a chain. (I will also have to remember to do something different next year - like maybe not moving sub-pages!) Can anyone offer some advice and/or fix it somehow? Thank you! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You have the page mover right so the move form has a field "Move subpages (up to 100)". As you have apparently guessed, it was enabled when you moved User talk:Baseball Bugs to User talk:Baseball Bugs/Archive028. That meant many archives in subpages were also moved. They were still subpages at the new name so MediaWiki decided to move them multiple times (seems like a bug). I will clean it up and delete a bunch of redirects with help from Special:PrefixIndex/User talk:Baseball Bugs/. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Pppery is already working on it so I will stop to prevent confusion. You have made the same mistake in previous years without cleaning up fully, contributing to confusion. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Wow, that was a mess. Ironically the 2023 move didn't do anything other than create ~100 useless redirects, since everything was sufficiently messed up by the 2019 move that it reached the 100-subpage limit moving only redirects. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I suggest revoking WP:Page mover rights from Baseball Bugs, since they have only ever use of the rights once other than to cause this mess and that would prevent this mistake from ever being made again. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You became page mover "without your consent" at Help desk/Archives/2019 March 22. Do you want the right removed? It will remove all rights except the normal "Move pages (move)" at Special:ListGroupRights. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you all so very much, for fixing this disaster. No, please do not revoke page-mover rights at this time. Next year I'll do it correctly. (And if I don't, I'll probably then ask you to remove the right!) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Image stitcher app for iPhone?
Hello, sorry to bother. I have (unfortunately for myself and my pile of undone dirty dishes) been reading the 1865 volume of Harper's Weekly and now have about 150 images stockpiled for Wikipedia history article illustrations. However, many key images were published as "double-page spreads" and I need to merge two page images together. I typically impose upon the good people of the Graphics/Photo Lab for this kind of thing, but there's quite a lot on my to-do list.

So I think it's time I find an app that I can use to do this myself, even if I have to spend money to buy it. I am exclusively mobile editor, and I work on an iPhone 11. Is there anywhere on here where someone can recommend specific apps or should I just throw myself on mercy of App Store? Thanks in advance for any guidance. Best, jengod (talk) 19:56, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jengod: Could you use your iPhone to take a landscape photo of both pages of each "double-page spread" at the same time? GoingBatty (talk) 00:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @GoingBatty I do screengrabs all the time and love them dearly just trying to keep the resolution of the digital images high, so don't want to do that in this case. You're very sweet to reply. I'm sure there's a jillionty apps that do this readily I've just afraid of commitment LOL jengod (talk) 00:36, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jengod, if you don't get an answer here you could ask at the Graphics/Photo Lab talk page, although it doesn't seem to be very active. They mention Photoshop, but that was in 2012 and not for an iPhone. TSventon (talk) 10:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Jengod, according to PCMag this can be done with Apple's own "Shortcuts" app. I don't own an iPhone myself, though, so I can't tell you how well this works in practice. There are probably better ways, but maybe this is enough for your purposes. Rummskartoffel 11:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh thank you @Rummskartoffel that looks promising!! And thank you everyone @Folly Mox @TSventon @GoingBatty I have some good directions to look in now. thank you!! edit: OMG that totally works and brilliantly too



THANJ YOU!!! jengod (talk) 15:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:RD/C might be a good venue to ask as well. Folly Mox (talk) 13:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

help me
am new here, i have posted an article but it did not work Ansumana k Fatty (talk) 20:09, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Ansumana k Fatty: Hello! You posted an article to your own user page, and that is not allowed. Read Help:Your first article.  Delta  space 42 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Read the information posted on your talk page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Ansumana. People who start editing Wikipedia and immediate dive into the challenging task of creating a new article often have a frustrating and disappointing time: because they don't yet know how Wikipedia works, it is hard for them to understand when they are going about it completely wrong. Would you start studying engineering and immediately try to build a car from scratch? Would you take up a musical instrument, and immediately book a public recital?
 * I urge you to put aside the idea of creating an artice for a few months, while you learn how Wikipedia works by making imp[rovements to some of our six million existing articles (many of which desperately need some attention): especially, learning about verifiability, neutral point of view, conflict of interest, and reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 20:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Anyone who can translate Russian sources?
Specifically, this one, pages 71 to 79, for African humid period. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 20:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Is this a conflict of interest?
As a hypothetical: an important witness to a criminal trial edits the page for the case and the trial after it's finished. This person is not mentioned by name in the article on the court trial. Does this give that person a conflict of interest on the article? PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * , yes, that hypothetical person has a conflict of interest, that at the very least, should be declared on the talk page of the article about the trial. That person may be able to contribute productively, but their edits must neutrally summarize published reliable sources, and they cannot add any unpublished "inside information" that is their own personal knowledge. If their edits are contested, they should defer to uninvolved editors. Cullen328 (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Figured it was something like that. Thanks! PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Internet Hall of Fame
After adding the 2023 inductees to Template:Internet Hall of Fame, I cannot work out how to make them show. I've studied the coding and can't see what I've got wrong. For example, see the template on Internet Hall of Fame, under the heading Inductees since 2019. Oronsay (talk) 21:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have purged Internet Hall of Fame, it made them show up. Looking further, it appears like we'll have to purge all of Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Internet Hall of Fame if one doesn't want to wait for MediaWiki to rerender them automatically, e.g. because the cache expired. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Appreciate your help with this, @Victor Schmidt Oronsay (talk) 22:56, 1 January 2024 (UTC)