Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2024 January 15

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A-Z Index
I know the last page in the A-Z Index is humorous. What is the next-to-the-last page? Ifyoucrydon&#39;tlose (talk) 00:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * It isn't clear what you're referring to – as far as I can tell the last page in the A-Z index is 􏿿 (see ). Tollens (talk) 01:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * There is a Wikipedia page called 'All pages'. On that page you'll see the word 'starting' and the word 'ending'. My question is what is the ending page, the last page in the alphabetical list of Wikipedia pages? Ifyoucrydon&#39;tlose (talk) 01:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah – in that case it would be 􏿿 as above. This link goes to its position in Special:AllPages; you can see that it is last in the list. Tollens (talk) 01:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have two problems with that character. First if I put that character into Special:AllPages 'Display pages ending at:' and click to 'Go' button it shows a long list below of articles which apparently follow that symbol.
 * The second problem is that when I type that symbol into the search box of Wikipedia, it takes me to a page 'Universal Character Set characters', certainly not the ending page. Ifyoucrydon&#39;tlose (talk) 01:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Let me rephrase my request: I would like to see an alphabetical list of all the articles in Wikipedia and be able to go to the end of that list to see the last article in the list. Ifyoucrydon&#39;tlose (talk) 02:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ifyoucrydon'tlose, this depends on how you organize articles that don't start with letters. If you only include pages starting with the letters a-z, the last would be the redirect ZZZZZZ, and the second to last would be the article ZZZZZ. LittlePuppers (talk) 02:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem I'm having is that I'm unable to browse articles in alphabetical order. In a print encyclopedia one can browse articles this way by turning pages. Apparently one can't do that with Wikipedia. On any given page there is no 'Previous article' or 'Next article' button. And I'm surprised that there is no alphabetical list of articles. Ifyoucrydon&#39;tlose (talk) 02:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I paged back from the end and found Ỹaroamë language, which is the last article beginning with a Latin letter plus a diacritic before the Greek letters start. TSventon (talk) 02:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. My understanding is that Wikipedia uses Unicode to alphabetize symbols. I'm interesting in browsing all the articles including those starting with various Unicode symbols. Ifyoucrydon&#39;tlose (talk) 02:55, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The thing is that (as far as I know) there's not always a clear way to alphabetize all of Unicode - alphabetizing is, by nature, a way of ordering an alphabet, and Unicode has, well, quite a few alphabets. (The other major difference is that, unlike a physical encyclopedia, Wikipedia has several thousand volumes worth of text, and a table of contents alone could take upwards of a hundred - which in combination with having other ways to search it, perhaps explains why this mode of navigating hasn't been prioritized much.)
 * Ỹ is near the end of the "Latin extended additional" block of Unicode, which precedes the "Greek Extended" block. (See Unicode block.) LittlePuppers (talk) 03:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The reason you would see a long list of articles there is that you're putting the character in the wrong box – if you display pages ending with that character there would of course be every single Wikipedia page before it. If you start at the character it is the only one in the list as no pages come after it. Special:AllPages is the alphabetical list you're asking for – you can flip forward using the "Next page" button at the top of the list, and view articles starting with arbitrary Unicode (if they exist) by placing the character in the "Display pages starting at" box. In terms of the fact that you do not end up on a page with the character I provided: this is because that page is a redirect. I am not aware of a way to search for the last alphabetical non-redirect page, though. Tollens (talk) 07:38, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I realize now that I need to put that character in the 'starting' box. It does appear to be at the end of 'All pages'. The list at 'All pages' is huge. It is like an index. I'm interested in a much shorter list: a list of articles. It can be alphabetized in the same way as the pages. What's strange about 'All pages' is that there is a box 'Namespace' which has the word '(Article)' in it, but the list below is 'All pages'. I just want to see articles.
 * I have a second problem now: Wikipedia refuses to let me log in on my other computer. It knows me by my previous username, indexguy. Ifyoucrydon&#39;tlose (talk) 12:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe I have discovered the answer: If you go to Special:AllPages and enter a randon article name like 'Flat Feet' in the 'starting' box, you have all kinds of entries below. I noticed that many entries are in italics. I figured out that an entry in italics is an entry that redirects to an article. If an entry is not in italics, then that is an article. The next article after 'Flat Feet' is 'Flat Fell', then 'Flat Fire'. Wikipedia needs to alert readers to this distinction. Ifyoucrydon&#39;tlose (talk) 12:30, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You can customise how redirects are displayed, see Visualizing redirects, but I haven't tried it myself. TSventon (talk) 12:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * As you said, Special:Allpages already visualizes redirects by displaying them in italics. The "Display pages ending at" box is meant to be used together with "Display pages starting at". Otherwise it starts at the beginning of all pages. 􏿿 is the last stored page name but it's a redirect as mentioned. Our MediaWiki software implements redirects by creating a page with special code so there is a page called 􏿿 (click to see the page). Whether it would appear at the end of a printed Wikipedia depends on whether it would include redirects. Special:Allpages ends with a lot of redirects on special characters. The last non-redirect may be 𝼝. I haven't fully checked that all the thousands of following pages are redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * If you save  in  then redirects are hidden at Special:Allpages. I did this and found that 𝼝 is indeed the last "real" article. There are several non-redirect pages after it on icons but they are all pages like 🥺 which is the last. They technically count as article pages even though they say "Wikipedia does not have an article ..." PrimeHunter (talk) 20:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have created Help:AllPages and linked it at top of Special:AllPages by creating the interface message MediaWiki:Allpages-summary. "Redirects are shown in italics" seems critical so I included it directly in the message. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for adding that line to the top of Special:AllPages. Ifyoucrydon&#39;tlose (talk) 22:44, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Information
Any possible improvements to the Haile Selassie I article? Maybe citations so that it can be listed as a good article when nominated. CtasACT (talk) 00:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * What exactly are you asking? If it is for people to collaborate with you, it's unlikely that people at the Help Desk will want to do that, unless the subject happens to interest them a lot. ColinFine (talk) 11:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * , are you looking for the peer review process? LittlePuppers (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes i would like to see if this article has any more things to fix before i again nominated it for a Good article review, so before that i would like to fix as many problems as possible. CtasACT (talk) 18:44, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Mạch Ngọc Trân
See zh:麥玉珍, OK? --Kenny198964 (talk) 01:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Each Wikipedia has its own rules. You will need to ask at the zh Wikipedia about that.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Can it be created as English content? I am Taiwanese and not fluent in English. Kenny198964 (talk) 01:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kenny198964: Potentially, but because each language Wikipedia has its own policies and guidelines it's unlikely it'll remain intact if it ever becomes an article on here. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Permanent page
My Wikipedia page is currently a user page, please let me know how to make it public page Thelostsymbols (talk) 01:44, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I've moved it to Draft:The Lost Symbols. You can work on it there. Please change your username in order not to give the impression that you are, collectively, the band. -- Hoary (talk) 01:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * How can I change my username, please help me with it Thelostsymbols (talk) 02:02, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * See WP:Username_policy. Fabrickator (talk) 02:09, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have requested my Wikipedia username change. Please approve it Thelostsymbols (talk) 02:11, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I think there is some confusion here. I think your user name is, and has always been - you don't need to rename it.
 * There doesn't seem to have been a user account called Thelostsymbols. I suspect that what has happened is that you tried to create an article on The Lost Symbols, and accidentally created it in user space, so it was called User:Thelostsymbols, so people assumed that that was your user name. --ColinFine (talk) 12:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

A page has disappeared - please bring it back.
I saw a stub page for the seismologist Catherine Woodgold asking for more info. While I was looking for references to use, the page disappeared. Apparently I can ask an Admin to undelete. Please undelete. There's still a french version around, but I'd prefer English. 70.50.58.102 (talk) 03:15, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * There does not appear to have ever been a page with the exact title Catherine Woodgold - can you remember exactly what the title was, and if it for sure was on the English Wikipedia? There may be someone who is able to help you here, but a better place to ask would be here. LittlePuppers (talk) 03:41, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The corresponding article exists on the French Wikipedia, and there is no deletion log as far as I can tell here, so it might not have ever existed. You could create the article as a draft and publish it once you're ready with all of the references added. Recon  rabbit  06:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Could it have been WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Physicists or WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Earth scientists, which both list Catherine Woodgold as a missing article? -- Verbarson talkedits 13:41, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * As an administrator I can see at Special:Undelete that there are no deleted pages with "Woodgold" in the title. There is a Wikidata page but it's hard to confuse for an encyclopedia article. She has a user page at citizendium:User:Catherine Woodgold but that website is not affiliated with Wikipedia. It just looks similar because it uses the same software. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:23, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament bids by conference page
Hi I'm looking for NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament bids by conference seems to have disappeared completely

Looked like this but was updated to the 2023 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament https://basketball.fandom.com/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Tournament_bids_by_school_and_conference 2601:680:C600:9E70:4010:3F3B:164:5573 (talk) 03:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I can't find that that article has ever existed. You do mean on Wikipedia, right? Basketball Wiki is nothing whatever to do with Wikipedia (it just uses the same software, so appears similar). ColinFine (talk) 12:05, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

International English language Grammer
I am using the grammar tool browser using Grammarly to edit the article. Can I disable the Grammarly extension from this Wikipedia web? Can I change my English country? Why did the contributions article edit international English grammar so important? 47.234.198.142 (talk) 04:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi there! I Googled "turn off grammarly on Wikipedia" and found this article.  I Googled "change grammarly language" and found this article.  I don't understand your last question.  Could you please rephrase it?  If you're referring to a specific Wikipedia article, please let us know which one.  Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 05:03, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

How do I close user account
How do I close user account Jerzy Gray-Grzeszkiewicz (talk) 04:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You just stop using it. For legal reasons, accounts cannot be deleted, though you can request Courtesy vanishing, which renames the account and makes most other details inaccessible to other ordinary users. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:54, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Redirect fully protected
Who do I speak to about Search being uneditable? It redirects to Searching, even though there's also a The Search. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:41, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * You probably don't. Searching is clearly the primary topic for the word "Search" and as such the redirect should point there. A particular title should only be a disambiguation page if there is no primary topic for that title. Search (disambiguation) would be a reasonable place for this article, though I see you've just removed it from that page. Typically if you are looking to edit a protected page you should submit an edit request; this is made easier by the edit request wizard. Tollens (talk) 07:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I should've looked at Searching first. My apologies. Still, The Search is clearly not the primary topic here. Readers are likely looking for the same articles whether they wind up at "Search" or "Searching", so the combined disambiguation page is appropriate. Tollens (talk) 07:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm going to try something. Logically the few Search entries should be joined with The Search. Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:54, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

incorrect data information on Floriana FC page
how we can furnish you with correct information to update data on the Floriana FC page? So far from where are you getting the information listed? Do we, as FLORIANA FC have already an account with you ? and if yes you is our recognised person who is acting on behalf of Floriana FC? 195.158.101.33 (talk) 09:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello. The information in the article Floriana F.C. comes from (or should come from - I haven't checked) the many published sources cited in it.
 * If you are a representative of the club, then please note that you have a conflict of interest with respect to this article, and should not edit it directly; however, if there is information which is incorrect, you are welcome to submit edit requests on the article's talk page - make sure that they are supported by reliable published sources.
 * Your question about accounts indicates that, like many people, you do not understand how Wikipedia works. No club or society in the entire world "has an account with" Wikipedia - that is forbidden. Any individual may create an account in Wikipedia, and accounts may not be shared, or belong to organisations.
 * Almost anybody in the world may edit the article Floriana F.C., except people who are associated with the club, who are asked not to do so directly, but to make requests as I explained above. There is not - and cannot be - any "recognised person" in the way you suggest.
 * Note also that ColinFine (talk) 12:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Referencing errors on 2023 Israel–Hamas war
Reference help requested.

A "bare URL and missing title" error. References show this error when they do not have a title. I'm very busy now and it needs a lot of time (for me).

Thanks, Sinucep (talk) 11:12, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Sinucep: by another editor. GoingBatty (talk) 16:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

On a list of episodes, do I need to cite a reference to show that every episode exists?
I've been on-and-off adding original air dates to all the episodes of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_Reaction_(radio_programme)

For each one, I've just been adding a citation to the BBC listing guide to show that the episode existed? Is that right? I'll be left with a massive list of references or can I remove all the references? Dupont Circle (talk) 13:05, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The references are good. They reference the whole row so they can be placed in a Ref column like Pokémon Go live events. Interested readers can also find additional information about the episode in the reference. I would reduce repetition by omitting  after the first reference when there is already   in every reference. After looking around, I would actually reduce the workload by just using https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006sf81/episodes/guide as a reference for the whole table. I haven't seen it documented in our guidelines but it's common to just write   above or below a table if the ref covers almost everything. The dates can be found by clicking the episode in the ref. That's good enough. Adding individual references with direct links in each row is better but a lot of work for an article with uncontroversial content and three daily page views. I wouldn't remove the existing row references when the work has already been done. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Lucia Poli
This paragraph seems to me to be a bibliography, not references. JackkBrown (talk) 13:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @JackkBrown,
 * I checked, and you are correct. The references are incorrectly formatted. However, this is not the right place for this discussion (see Am I in the right place?). Please discuss this in the page's discussion tab. Have a great day!
 * Best,
 * @Avishai11
 * Avishi11 (talk) 14:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Why not just fix it yourself, ? Cullen328 (talk) 20:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorting categories
Hi, I've created a new category: Category:Attorneys General of Canada East, Province of Canada. I've linked it to a parent category: Category:British colonial attorneys general in the Americas. That part is working. However, it's sorting in the "British colonial attorneys general" under the "A" section, for "Attorney General". I'd like it to sort under the "C" section, for "Canada East". All of the other categories sort by jurisdiction, but I can't figure out how to do that. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: Hi there! I looked at the sorting in Category:Attorneys General of Anguilla and did something similar to Category:Attorneys General of Canada East, Province of Canada in this edit.  I also created Category talk:Attorneys General of Canada East, Province of Canada.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:03, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 18:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * See WP:SORTKEY for more about the feature. It works the same for articles and categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:31, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! I didn't realise that could also be used for sub-categories. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Request to swap article with its redirect
The article 'Dorset County Museum' has a redirect to it from 'Dorset Museum'. The museum has recently renamed itself as Dorset Museum, as documented and referenced in the article. Could someone technically competent please swap (move) the two pages, so that the main article is 'Dorset Museum', with a redirect to it from 'Dorset County Museum'? The last time I tried to do this I got in a horrible mess, and had to make an embarassing request for time-consuming help to sort it out. Many thanks. Masato.harada (talk) 18:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Masato.harada: You should be able to request a technical move request here . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It usually requires an administrator to move a page to an existing title but not in this case per WP:MOVEOVERREDIRECT since Dorset Museum only has one revision which redirects to Dorset County Museum. Just make the move normally. I understand your concern after a bad experience but if a move goes through, you didn't make a mess. If it doesn't go through, always request help to avoid making a mess. There is no valid way to do it without the required user right. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Alter an entry
Alter an entry 80.192.69.32 (talk) 19:23, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please be a LOT more specific about what you want, and link the page you want altered. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Happy to oblige. I've removed a deleted musician from Houston (surname). Clarityfiend (talk) 22:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of trivial citation needed templates, vs searching for the source
Hello, after reviewing WP:CITENEED I have a question: under what circumstances is it acceptable to simply delete a citation needed template, rather than searching for a source for the statement? If I simply feel that the template should not have been needed in the first place due to non-controversial statements, sufficient citation elsewhere, etc, is that enough to delete the template? Or should I be more hesitant? edit: specifically, I am editing medical and scientific pages. Just-a-can-of-beans (talk) 21:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * , if an editor acting in good faith has placed a "citation needed" tag after a statement, then, by definition, the statement cannot ever be "non-controversial". You must either add a reference or leave the tag alone. Your choice. You also mention "sufficient citation elsewhere". If a reference to a reliable source exists elsewhere in the article, then use the WP:REFNAME function to re-use the reference repeatedly within the article. You mention working on "medical and scientific pages". With the possible exception of Biographies of living people, I cannot think of any type of article that requires more rigorous and scrupulous referencing. Stick with high standards. Cullen328 (talk) 09:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Just-a-can-of-beans, philosophically there's no one-size-fits-all truism for this, because ultimately it all rests on the slippery slopes of human language:People sometimes add maintenance tags tendentiously—or at least rhetorically, i.e. for reasons other than wanting a claim to be verifiable.There is truly such a thing as overcitation—almost never in practice, but it is possible and attainable: the reason WP:BLUE says you don't need to cite "Paris is the capital of France" is because at some point, the bibliography would cease to be useful to the reader.However, like Cullen says above: the vast majority of the time, the unambiguous best thing to do is just to cite it. It probably makes the article better to do so. — Remsense  诉  10:09, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Isa Pola
Honestly, I don't find the reference within this page useful, I would delete it (if I started a discussion within the article's discussion page it would be read after (at least) 2 years). JackkBrown (talk) 21:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to be WP:BOLD and don't want to discuss on the article's talk page, then leave it alone and find another article to work on. RudolfRed (talk) 22:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have removed the "reference", anyone who disagrees with me is free to edit the article. JackkBrown (talk) 22:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * what was the problem with the reference you removed? Generally one reference to a reliable source is better than none. TSventon (talk) 22:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I restored the reference and corrected the text. JackkBrown (talk) 23:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @JackkBrown: How can you predict when a post on the article's talk page will be read? GoingBatty (talk) 03:45, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * because the page is unknown. JackkBrown (talk) 09:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * , the article has existed for nearly ten years and has had more than a dozen contributors. It is likely that some of them have it on their Watchlist, so if you had made a new entry on the Talk page, they would have been notified of the fact and might have investigated and responded. There will only be activity on the Talk page when there is something to talk about.
 * You could also have checked the 'View history' (as I just did) to see who are the more prolific contributors, and invited them on their Talk pages to discuss your concerns at the Article Talk page.
 * Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and sometimes one has to make some effort to initiate collaboration: these Help/Teahouse desks are not the only route for that. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.104.88 (talk) 11:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Trying to update a page
Keep getting blocked when trying to update a page. I tried yesterday to update a page with increasing lengths of time in between. I gave up and tried again today (15+ hours later) and still receiving a blocked message.

"As an anti-abuse measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes. If you are attempting to run a bot or semi-automated script, please read and understand our bot policy, then request approval. Users who run unauthorized bot scripts may lose their editing privileges."

How can I fix this? I'm not using a bot or program I am typing out a small section of past principals, to the Wiki page for a school I work at International Grammar School. Andrew.whiskin (talk) 22:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * In general, you should not be editing an article about something you are associated with and therefore have a potential WP:CONFLICTOFINTEREST. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Andrew.whiskin: Instead, you can declare your conflict of interest on your user page and then submit an edit request on Talk:International Grammar School, along with the reliable published source that can be used as a reference. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks all! I have added a talk topic, if someone might be able to review it and submit it on my behalf it would be greatly appreciated. I was asked to update the Wikipedia page by our communications/marketing team haha Andrew.whiskin (talk) 03:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Direct link: Talk:International Grammar School#Principals Andrew.whiskin (talk) 03:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Allow me to edit on canobie lake park
hi can you please allow me to edit on canobie lake park because i have to fix things on there Alec bwd (talk) 23:33, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Canobie Lake Park is semi-protected. You can click "View source" and then "Submit an edit request". PrimeHunter (talk) 23:41, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Madame Roland
This is a new Commons file:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Roland#/media/File:Dame_Roland.png

Can it please be trimmed  (get rid of the writing below) to only include the old drawing and the Name underneath - "Dame Roland"

I think I have destroyed the Info Box - sorry  - please fix if able. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 23:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Srbernadette: I requested that commons:File:Dame_Roland.png be rotated slightly to the right so the text is level. Once that's done, you can crop it to get rid of the excess text. GoingBatty (talk) 03:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * You give me too much credit - I cannot crop file - is anyone able  to straighten it up?  Sorry again Srbernadette (talk) 03:51, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Srbernadette: When you go to commons:File:Dame_Roland.png, do you see the "CropTool" in the menu on the left hand size of the page? The file won't crop nicely until someone else rotates the image slightly to the right. GoingBatty (talk) 04:00, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia Commons wouldn't permit me to overwrite the file (a restriction that's new to me and surprised me), so I uploaded a new version to commons:File:Dame_Roland_b.png. Because this was not a new version of a file but instead a new filename I was asked to go through the rigmarole of categorizing, etc. I had little patience for this. Srbernadette perhaps you can improve the categorizing, as well as chopping off the text (if you want it chopped off): too much guillotining for my taste. -- Hoary (talk) 06:53, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello? No response, or anyway none that I've noticed. How about commons:File:Dame Roland b, cropped.jpg? -- Hoary (talk) 12:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)