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How to link to a different language wiki in the "website" field of "cite website?"
This works: (example )

ie. putting wikilinks like website=The Pennsylvania Gazette in the cite web website field

But this does not:

(example )

but this does generally does work on mainspace pages: 公报_(宾夕法尼亚) zh:公报_(宾夕法尼亚)

This is especially important when citing WP:NOENG, so that readers can find more information about the source being cited as they are probably not familiar with it. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 03:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 07:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 07:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @J2UDY7r00CRjH: Wikipedia is not a reliable source and so should not be cited at all. See WP:CIRCULAR. Bazza 7 (talk) 08:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think they were talking about adding wikilinks to sources that have their own Wikipedia pages. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 09:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @J2UDY7r00CRjH: Wikipedia is not a reliable source and so should not be cited at all. See WP:CIRCULAR. Bazza 7 (talk) 08:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think they were talking about adding wikilinks to sources that have their own Wikipedia pages. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 09:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

2024-25 Pittsburgh Penguins season page.
There is an issue in the Roster section of this page. A Penguins' goaltender, Tristan Jarry, is not listed on the roster. But, if you go to edit that section, his name & corresponding info do show up in the "source editing" format. I cannot figure out how to get his name & info to reappear in the Roster section. Please help? SummeRStorM79 (talk) 09:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi SummeRStorM79 I have "mended" it by removing the hidden text formatting from around his name on the edit page.  I note that there are a number of other names on the edit page in similar formatting - so the whole sub-page needs checking, but I know nothing about the Pittsburgh Penguins.  Best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 09:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Pittsburgh Penguins roster has a reference to the roster on the official NHL site . Tristan Jarry is there but not Jack St. Ivany so I commented him out. He is on the roster of the affiliated Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins as a prospect for the Pittsburgh Penguins. He might make the main team later so I didn't remove him completely. The displayed players on the template now match the NHL roster. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Arjayay & PrimeHunter, thanks so much for your actions, input, & time spent getting back to me. Despite being an editor for about 7 years, I still have much to learn, so it's very cool to have friendly & helpful editors like you 2 graciously lend a helping hand. I appreciate you both! =) SummeRStorM79 (talk) 15:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

access to editing area
Hi, where can one edit text in Panchaloha please? Spicemix (talk) 14:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * All links in that section currently use annotated link which automatically displays a short description stored in the target page. Short descriptions are displayed in many other places. I guess you only want to change what is displayed at Panchaloha. You can omit annotated link and write your own link and description, e.g. changing  to , or whatever you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Spicemix (talk) 15:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Next to the Section title 'See also' you should see '[edit]' (I do), where the word is a bluelink to open the editing window. However, you have been editing long enough that you should surely have known this, so I suspect you are encountering a problem I cannot see. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.82.201 (talk) 15:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Please see reply above. Spicemix (talk) 15:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Entries on disambiguation pages
Wikipedia has an article Eugene Gardner, starting "Milton Eugene Gardner". It wasn't listed at Gardner (surname), so I added it. Should I have put it in the "E" section, the "M" section, or both? Maproom (talk) 15:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Good question. I looked and con't find guidance for this exact scenario. WikiProject Anthroponymy/Standards comes closeest I guess. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Although the article Eugene Gardner is about somebody who seems noteworthy, it's very feeble. At first glance it has just two sources. But one of these is a mere list entry for "Milton Eugene Gardner", so effectively the article has just a single source. This sole source is titled "Milton E. Gardner" and repeatedly refers to the man as "Milton". Very possibly "Eugene Gardner" is the best title for the article, but if so the article provides no evidence for this. If the current title is indeed the best choice, put him under "E". If, as I suspect, it is not, then first move the article accordingly and then put him under "M". -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Using ChatGPT for proofreading
I sometimes use ChatGPT for proofreading my edits, particularly new articles. I submit my text and ask it to "revise it, highlighting any changes in bold." Is that a problem, and should I disclose it anywhere? Amayorov (talk) 16:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Please read and carefully consider WP:LLM, in particular : Every edit that incorporates LLM output should be marked as LLM-assisted by identifying the name and, if possible, version of the AI in the edit summary. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 03:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This is very helpful, thanks a lot! I'll be using more primitive tools, such as the Free Online Grammar Checker, then. Amayorov (talk) 09:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

How to request a move?
So I put in a move request for moving Lenna to Lena, it's currently sitting at the bottom of Talk:Lenna. Did I do it right, or is there a specific protocol to follow? guninvalid (talk) 16:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * guninvalid, the process is at Requested moves. You need to show that Lena is the WP:COMMONNAME rather than Lenna. Also Lena is a WP:DISAMBIGUATION page, so you could either
 * request a move of Lenna to Lena and of Lena to Lena (disambiguation) if the test image is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC or
 * request a move of Lenna to Lena (test image). TSventon (talk) 17:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed Account
When will my account be "autoconfirmed" so I can move article from Sandbox to Wikipedia? Mlondon101 (talk) 20:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Your account needs to be four days old and have at least ten edits per WP:AUTOCONFIRM. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Why the rush, Mlondon101? You'd be better off ensuring that the main text of User:Mlondon101/sandbox is stripped of external links, and that what the draft says is backed up with references to reliable sources. -- Hoary (talk) 21:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Hoary because I got ants in my pants! But, I'll look into those edits. Mlondon101 (talk) 22:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

No signatures for sports biographies?
Why isn't there any template data for adding signatures to sports biography articles? Athletes very often do so, yet, it can’t be added to improve the articles. Why so? Roasted (talk) 22:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You can find some general guidance at Signatures of living persons. There are some special concerns about signatures of living people. Cullen328 (talk) 23:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Please
I want to read 67.5.97.117 (talk) 23:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 23:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)