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Wikimedia API parse - properties property
The parse action of the Wikimedia API contains a property called 'properties', which shows images and "expectedUnconnectedPage" and I can't really tell what that is for and whether it's useful

KirkiArty (talk) 01:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please always give an example when possible. 'properties' shows properties for a specified page so the result will vary for different pages. Unconnected page means there is no Wikidata item for the page. I think it's only shown for pages in namespaces where it's possible to have a Wikidata item. I'm not sure about the difference between expectedUnconnectedPage (example) and unexpectedUnconnectedPage (example). Does it matter to you? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Uh
 * All I really care about is whether I should keep it when mirroring, aka whether it's useful KirkiArty (talk) 02:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This is a help desk for the English Wikipedia. What do you mean by mirroring? Is your question about another website? If so then I have no way of telling whether users of an unidentified website will find something useful. Users of the English Wikipedia certainly may want to know whether a page has a Wikidata item. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Mirroring is hosting a copy of something
 * In this case ofc wikipedia KirkiArty (talk) 02:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I guess this is about your own website and not a website run by the Wikimedia Foundation. It wouldn't really be a copy if you omit things but I don't know how your mirror is made and whether the API gives the same results as here. If it says UnconnectedPage for all pages then it sounds useless. Anyway, do what you want on your own website as long as you respect foundation:Policy:Terms of Use. Note the parts about trademarks and licensing. If you post questions at the English Wikipedia then please always say if they aren't about something here at en.wikipedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * They are about something here.
 * I'm asking about what the property tells you and whether it's useful
 * 'Do what you want on your own website' is obvious, but doesn't help since it isn't an answer as to whether it's useful KirkiArty (talk) 03:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's useful here. I cannot speak for your unidentified website. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I was sent a "warning"
I edited a page ("Clovis_Culture") by replacing a paragraph containing errors with a corrected paragraph.

I received a "Warning" from "jdcomix" on my Talk page -- "This is your only warning: if you remove or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice." 17:15, 30 June 2024.

I do not understand what this means, and I have received no response to my replies

Can you please explain what I was being warned about?

Thanks --

~ Gahaynes (talk) 01:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You removed well-referenced, well-written content and replaced it with content that was not very well written, and initially very poorly referenced. Instead of making your case at Talk:Clovis culture, you made a lengthy edit summary that insulted another editor as "incompetent", which is a violation of the behavioral guideline Assume good faith and is a personal attack which is contrary to policy. This is a collaborative project and decisions here are based on consensus. When another editor disagrees, it is incumbent on you to discuss the issue on the article talk page and gain consensus for your proposed changes there. Those are among the reasons that you were warned. You are new here. You need to learn more about social norms among fellow editors before trying to push through contested changes. Cullen328 (talk) 02:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As for getting no replies to your remarks on your talk page, that is is because you did not ping the editor who left the warning. Therefore, that editor had no way to know that you responded there. Cullen328 (talk) 02:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The weird thing is that the editor concerned about the Op's edits didn't revert them. Had he done so, with an explanatory Edit summary, it may have helped. HiLo48 (talk) 02:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * In addition to what others have said, if you are the G Haynes whose book is being referenced, you should not be directly editing the part of the article which references the book, as that is regarded as a conflict of interest. Rather, you should raise an edit request on the talk page, or at least discuss the matter there first. ColinFine (talk) 09:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Help with WP:OWN concern
Hello, I recently raised a WP:OWN concern on a page I had been edited lately the Antioch International Movement of Churches. I noticed 50% of the authorship edits on that page have been edited by a single editor since March. This editor uses speedy deletions/reverts, supposed BRD style edits, which I experienced and discouraged me. The editor is also very particular about approving edits. I am concerned this editor is exhibiting behaviors that appear to be possessive of this page. I assume good faith on this editor's part and don't have any current disputes, however when I raised the OWN issue with the editor on the article's talk page, the editor did not reply. The editor eventually left a message on my user talk page telling me, it's not for the article's talk page, to WP:FOC, and talk to administrators about it on the appropriate boards. I reiterated WP:OWN says "An editor who appears to assume ownership of an article should be approached on the article's talk page with a descriptive header informing readers about the topic." and the concerns of overdoing possessive behaviors. Still the editor did not want to address the issue. What is the proper way to address this and what is the appropriate board to bring this concern to? Pride2bme (talk) 04:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Pride2bme, this looks like a rather lengthy content dispute, so you could look at the processes in WP:DISPUTE. On the WP:OWN issue, can you give examples of WP:OWNBEHAVIOUR at the talk page? If not, you may have to assume good faith. TSventon (talk) 12:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Generally, I'd say glancing at the history, there seems to be a watchfulness that starts to become possessiveness, making 50% of the authorship on the page. There is only one dominant editor. I don't have any active content disputes, and would not want engage with this article further due to the lengths it takes to get this editor's approval. Is WP:OWN about a dispute or exhibiting possessive behaviors? Even if in good faith, from what I understood, WP:OWN sounded more like an "overdoing it" concern if an editor over dominates a page. This editor often quickly deletes and reverts contributions from multiple editors. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antioch_International_Movement_of_Churches&diff=prev&oldid=1230752883 sometimes even reverting spelling corrections, like I corrected "a HGTV" to "an HGTV": https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antioch_International_Movement_of_Churches&diff=prev&oldid=1231593828 or minor things I identified the church spelled their cell groups as "Lifegroups" like so but he could not accept that, instead citing sources misspelling Antioch's groups as "Life Groups" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Antioch_International_Movement_of_Churches#%22Lifegroup%22_vs_%22Life_Group%22_spelling as much talk as we went through, he would not budge. Also the editor did not want to discuss or address a WP:OWN concern. Pride2bme (talk) 12:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Date format in infoboxes
How do I get infoboxes to follow the DMY format? MDY seems to be the default. Thanks Roundtheworld (talk) 11:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Roundtheworld you need to add the parameter df=yes e.g. December 31, 1999 - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 11:09, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Roundtheworld (talk) 11:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

List of company articles by non-extended-confirmed users
I am trying to get a list together of every enwiki article on a company written by a non-extended-confirmed user. (Or, by proxy, every Wikidata item that's an instance of a company with an enwiki article written by a non-extended-confirmed user). Is this technically practical to do? If so, how could I go about doing it?

I don't have experience in these larger-scale sorts of queries, so my intuitions about what's possible and how it can be done are quite unreliable. I've dabbled a bit in Petscan but I don't think it has the capacity to query user permissions like that. My sense is this would require something like a Quarry query, but I don't know how to write those. – Teratix ₵ 11:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * First, the obligatory ad: this sort of question is the whole point of Request a query.Finding what user rights someone had at a specific point of time is at best impractical - you'd have to trace it back through the user rights log, which doesn't follow renames and didn't used to store which rights were changed unless they happened to be mentioned in the log comment. Extended-confirmed could be closely approximated by comparing the datestamp to the user's registration time and by counting the number of prior edits a user had made, but the latter's also impractical unless you've already narrowed your search down to a specific user.  About the best you can do for the edit count is look at a user's current number of edits.The other aspect to this is that getting a list of company pages on enwiki is nontrivial.  The category system is fantastically terrible for generating such lists: not only are there companies not in Category:Companies - and in fact there are no companies there - but being in that category tree, or even a more specific one like Companies by country, doesn't mean a given page is about a company.  Walking the category tree starts finding pages in individual companies' categories, like Arnold Schwarzenegger (Companies by country → Companies of the United States → People by company in the United States → Skydance Media people), long before it stops finding new company articles.  Plus, as you probably know since you mention working with Petscan, most conceptually-broad categories eventually include a substantial majority of all articles in their tree, and Category:Companies by country is no exception.All that said, query/84568 has a list of non-redirect mainspace articles in the Category:Companies by country tree to a maximum depth of 3, not reached solely through a category starting with "People by company", where the author of the earliest currently-not-deleted revision either now has 500 or fewer edits or created that page within a month of their registration.  Some bad-looking data early on because of SUL and accounts like User:Conversion script, but that mostly clears up after the first page. —Cryptic 13:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * first off, thanks very much for your work – I definitely wasn't expecting someone to actually write and run the whole query just from my question! I certainly wasn't expecting it to be possible to tell whether users were extended-confirmed at the time they created the article. In fact, the extended-confirmed criterion is just meant to be an extremely crude possible-SPA check, so in some ways it's actually better if the query is based on a user's current rather than past permissions.
 * The category system is fantastically terrible for generating such lists Yes, I've found this to be a problem. I'm having some success with Petscan's ability to incorporate SPARQL queries – by limiting results to pages with Wikidata items that are instances of companies, I've been able to filter out the non-company articles that end up in the tree. Although I'm not exactly sure how many genuine company articles also get filtered out.
 * Thanks for letting me know about Request a query as well, definitely would have posted there had I known about it. – Teratix ₵ 08:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There's no easy way to mix queries against Wikidata with ones against the enwiki database. Petscan can do it because it has separate connections to both databases and stores the intermediate data itself (or so I assume; I can't imagine any other way to do it).  The most practical way to do it short of writing a petscan-like tool is to make a userspace page, or a set of such pages, containing links to each article you want checked.  (Which makes me consider just pulling a list of all articles linked from any page titled "List of*companies*", and wonder how many that would miss.) —Cryptic 09:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, minor thing but would be really helpful: is there a way to create a PagePile out of the query results so I can feed them into Petscan? I tried to do it myself but PagePile is asking for page_title, I think because the relevant column in the Quarry query is ca_title instead. – Teratix ₵ 09:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I haven't worked with pagepile before, but I think query/84588 should be in a format it likes when it completes. —Cryptic 09:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , are you defining as created a page at a given title or contributed at least $n%$ of extant article byte size or some other thing? Folly Mox (talk) 16:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ideally "created a non-redirect/disambiguation page or expanded a redirect into a non-redirect page at a given title", but I wasn't expecting this definition to be practical to implement in a query. "Created a page at a given title" would be a perfectly good alternative criterion for me. – Teratix ₵ 08:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Tolong bantu aku
Saya butuh bantuan tolong 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 118.136.121.65 (talk) 13:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Translation appears to be: "Please help me. I need help please." Hello IP editor - do you have a question about using or editing English Wikipedia? 57.140.16.8 (talk) 13:44, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata Question
Hi Wikipedia,

I have two concerns regarding data for Blic, daily newspaper from Serbia.

I have tried entering publication interval and for some reason it does not let me publish it. Also, I have tried editing their social media information and it did not let me. For both of them, it does not let me publish changes.

Can you tell me why ?

 Боки  ☎   ✎  14:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * At a glance, no, I can't tell. Blic has never been subject to page protection, and I don't see anything in the filter log blocking your edits. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 16:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Just Step Sideways If I give you information that I would like to enter, would you mind entering them for me, please ?  Боки  ☎   ✎  16:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait, I missed that you were asking about Wikidata, not Wikipedia. You'd need to ask over there.I believe this would be the right palce. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Just Step Sideways !
 * Just sent the request there!
 *  Боки  ☎   ✎  18:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Edits by page
I may have asked this before, but I can't recall the answer. How can I see a list of my edits to a specific page.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * One way is to open the page and select "view history" and then "Find edits by user", enter your username and click submit. TSventon (talk) 14:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thx. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Adding image for Sibley Commission
I recently published a new article on the Sibley Commission, a 1960 government committee that was headed by John A. Sibley. Sibley has been deceased since 1986, and all of the other members of the 19-person committee are also deceased. During my time writing the article, I stumbled across a photograph of the committee here, showing 16 of the 19 members. Would I be able to upload this using the File upload wizard as a non-free file under the category "This is a historical portrait of a person no longer alive" if all of the members of the group are deceased, or is this category solely for individuals? JJonahJackalope (talk) 16:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * That seems reasonable to me. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Cut-and-paste move
This user copy-pasted all the contents of 2024 Premier Volleyball League Reinforced Invitational Conference to create 2024 Premier Volleyball League Reinforced Conference then I tagged a history merge and notified the user then one hour later they boldly moved it to draft and moved it again as main article. Can someone take a look?  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   17:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I've done the history merge. The move to and from mainspace is untidy but needs no action. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Elon Musk Page Typo
There is a typo on the page for Elon Musk, it states " In 2024, NASA awarded SpaceX the $843 million contract to deorbit the Internation Space Station at the end of its lifespan" There seems to be a typo for International. I wonder if you could fix it. ADookie (talk) 22:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * . Thank you for pointing that out! 🛧 Midori No Sora♪ 🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈  ) 23:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC)