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How can I get proper URL for my page?
I created biography page in Wiki pedia, But i have no idea about how to get url like my name

currently it showing : User talk:BharattHari

i wan to change Bharatt Hari

BharattHari (talk) 02:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You should not write about yourself. See WP:AUTO.  If you choose to persist, then follow the guidance from WP:YFA to create an article you can submit for review.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * User indef'ed as spam/advertising-only account. DMacks (talk) 04:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Addition to a disambiguation page
A few days ago I added a line to a disambiguation page. This is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headband_(disambiguation) I added "Headband, a New Zealand music band started in 1971 by Tommy Adderley". However, it seems my addition has been reverted. I had no link to any article about "Headband" as I am not skilled enough to create one (yet). Was my addition reverted because I did not cite any source? Otari (talk) 03:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Otari no, it was because generally, disambiguation pages should only contain articles that exist. See WP:DAB for more info. If you think the band is notable and you have reliable sources, follow the directions at H:YFA and submit a draft for review.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 03:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the info. I have so much to learn! Otari (talk) 03:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I just had a ping from an IP
Can IP:s ping people now? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * It hadn't occurred to me that they couldn't. What I don't think is possible is pinging [to] an IP. ¶ I quote a subsequent message (one that's refreshingly concise): "[gptzero.me] said 'We are highly confident this text was ai generated.'" I was entirely confident of that even before seeing gptzero's opinion on the matter. I understand why people wanting such drivel would want a LLM to churn it out, because it must be even more boring to produce than it is to skimread; what puzzles me is how any reasonably intelligent human would suppose that another reasonably intelligent human would take it seriously and be persuaded by it. -- Hoary (talk) 07:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Hoary I think I got confused, like you said, it's IP:s that can't be pinged. It just doesn't happen very often that IP:s know how to ping. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Some of us have obtained deeper knowledge of this site's arcane ways. Footnote: once masking comes into effect, apparently it will be possible to ping whatever-we-will-then-call-un-logged-in-editors. 57.140.16.8 (talk) 13:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I would click a "thank" for this comment, but you know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Edit a Page
Dear All, I need your support to edit and correct content about a biography of a living person. The individual is exposed to an outdated content and his reputation is harmed. What is the best way to address such matters and how to officially edit the page with the collaboration of the previous editors. I would like to thank you in advance for your support and i look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Dimitrios Bourpoulas Conval14 (talk) 09:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Conval14, there's editing, which can of course be careful or careless, competent or incompetent; but Wikipedia doesn't recognize the notion of "officially editing". (However, if by "officially edit" an article you mean "edit the article on behalf of its subject", you may not do this. Please read Plain and simple conflict of interest guide.) Every article has a talk page. You can post a message there to get agreement from other editors. -- Hoary (talk) 09:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Questions about formatting my 1st Wikipedia article
HELLO. I'm writing my first Wikipedia article and I'm kind of stumped on two things. I was hoping someone might be able to answer my questions in simple terminology. 1. Clickable references within the article. Okay, I have several names of people and other references that are formatted to be clickable, thus taking the reader to a new page relating to what they clicked on. However, at this time, there are no associated pages for these people. Do I remove the formatting that makes the reference clickable and come back later once those ancillary pages have been written? Or what? 2. I'll use my own name as an example for this one: I do not have a Wikipedia page yet. I will later, but not right now. If I format my name to be clickable, I get a completely different Scott Young that the link leads to. Once my own page is written, how do I format it to go to me and not other people with the same name? Those are my questions. I've done a good job of finding answers to all my other questions, but these two have me a bit mystified. Any help you can offer will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time. SCOTT YOUNG RadioStoryTeller (talk) 09:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Author names in references are usually only linked if we already have an article about them. Names in other places can be linked if the person appears to satisfy Notability (people). See more at Red link. The link Scott Young does not go to a person but a disambiguation page with a list of people. In articles, Scott Young (English footballer) should be linked with  which produces Scott Young. See more at Piped link. Some templates have their own way of making piped links. Look at the template documentation, e.g. Template:Cite web. For a notable Scott Young with no article, you can try to guess what a future article might be called and for example write   to produce Scott Young. If you discover the person is already mentioned in Wikipedia with a red link then use the same title. If you want to mention yourself or your work then see Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Scott. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for NACTOR then there may at some time be an article about you: but you are very strongly discouraged from writing it yourself (see WP:AUTO). Unless there is that possibility of an article about you, then your name should not be wikilinked anywhere in Wikipedia - and even if it is, you should not be adding or linking your own name anywhere, as that is a COI: rather you should raise an edit request, and an uninvolved editor will decide whether the addition is appropriate.
 * Separately, adding yet more unsourced information to an already unsourced article is likely a waste of time: it is like building more balconies and turrets on a house without any foundations, which is likely to fall down at any time. In my view, the only work worth doing on an article like Meet the Hollowheads is to look for more independent, reliable sources that discuss the movie at some length and add them as citations for the information found in them; or to nominate it for deletion if more such sources cannot be found. (The Unknown Movies review is probably one such, but more are needed, and it is only linked as an external link, not cited as a source for any information; and more than one is needed inm any case). ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Edit count at a certain time
Would it be possible to get the amount of edits a user had at a certain time? Thanks.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 10:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * This should be pretty easy by using Special:Contributions and putting in the start and end dates you are interested in. The start date could be when the account was registered, if you want the total up to the end date. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * To compute a possible approximation, "Edit count" at the bottom of Special:Contributions/CanonNi links to https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/CanonNi. Near the top are links "Year counts" and "Month counts". PrimeHunter (talk) 11:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I found a better solution and am therefore marking this as . Thanks, both.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 12:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I want to have a page written about my website, who can i talk to about getting it built?
I want to have a page written about my website, who can i talk to about getting it built? 93.175.59.10 (talk) 10:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * IP editor. This is a very bad idea. You are likely to be scammed as soon as you reveal who you are or the name of your website. If it is wikinotable, a volunteer will get round to writing an article. You could even draft such an article yourself but first read WP:PAID, WP:COI and especially this one. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Websites are rarely notable in their own right. It would have to be a well known website with plenty of coverage in reliable secondary sources.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 11:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Create page
How to create wikipedia page Harshad0 (talk) 12:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. It is highly recommended that you first spend time editing existing articles first, to learn how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial is a good idea too. I've placed some basic information on your user talk page that may help you. 331dot (talk) 13:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Verification of identity
The user also claims to be the subject of the BLP article Maximilian Janisch (recently at AfD, but retained per no consensus). He's provided a link to German Wikipedia where his identity was verified:. He wants to know if he should still separately submit verification of his identity for en-wiki, or is the one from de-wiki sufficient? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ask, who added the verification to the dewiki page, to confirm it for ? Cabayi (talk) 19:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have asked him on his dewiki talk page. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

delete a page not created by me
How do I remove a page created about me, but not by me? Swimmingbutterflies (talk) 14:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * What is the name of the article? Can you please provide a link? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * See also WP:BLPSELF. Shantavira|feed me 15:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It is the norm for an article not to be written by its subject: we strongly discourage writing about yourself.
 * If you clearly meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then the article will not be deleted. If you do not, it may be deleted for that reason. If you are borderline notable, then it is possible that your desire for it to be deleted may sway the argument. ColinFine (talk) 16:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

poor quality articles by same author
a user created many bad articles, and when draftified, they moved it back to mainspace, so they cannot be draftified. is there a good way to deal with this without afd'ing each article? ltb d l (talk) 14:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * AfD seems doable this lists 16 articles, but 3 have been deleted and one has been nominated at AfD, leaving 12 to deal with. TSventon (talk) 15:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Journal cites - Publisher and location
Hi Folks!! I know its normal not to add the publisher for a journal. I'd be assuming if the publisher is not present, then the location wouldn't need to be put in either. Is there any hard limits on the journal publisher field. For example, if the journal was really old, or extremely obscure?  scope_creep Talk  16:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * For the truly obscure journal, including its publisher in the reference can give readers a sense of the reliability of the journal (unless the publisher is equally obscure – in which case, find a better source).
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

When is an article too small to keep?
I found an article about an old project that didn't even get off the ground. BlueSky Open Platform was started in 2009 and died in 2011. Since the whole project was a bit of a nothingburger, should this page be deleted?

And where would be a more appropriate place to take such questions in the future? NomadicVoxel (talk) 18:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It the subject is notable, the article should be kept: See WP:NOTTEMPORARY. You can remove it if the original notability assessment was incorrect, but if it was notable in 2009-2011, it's still notable. Separately, any very short article can be consolidated into a parent article if appropriate. -Arch dude (talk) 18:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I prodded (WP:PROD) the article, not because it's short or old, but because it was never notable. -Arch dude (talk) 19:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

cousin
'''looking for my cousin i can not contact him they moved him from lee county not sure where John lee Hall \ ID 78433''' 67.44.24.5 (talk) 20:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that the Wikipedia Help desk is about using and editing Wikipedia, and cannot help you with other matters. ColinFine (talk) 23:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

People who change edits
I'm asking this here because I don't know where else to ask. Very occasionally, some of the changes or additions I make are (seemingly arbitrarily) changed by others who simply appear to be indulging their own opinions or biases. My question is, who appointed them some kind of arbiter? Why do they get to change my work without explanation, and what makes it their business? And how do I contact them directly to discuss what they did? Calstanhope (talk) 20:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * A reason was given for this revert, in the edit summary. Drmies (talk) 20:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * We work collaboratively. An edit no longer belongs to you after you hit the "publish" button, because that act releases it under the CC-BY-SA license. Reverting an edit merely expresses an opinion: see WP:BRD. You collaborate with the reverting editor by discussing it on the article's talk page. You and the other editor (usually) have equal rights, and it's best to think in terms of collaboration, not conflict. See WP:AGF. -Arch dude (talk) 21:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I wasn't referring to a specific instance and I'm not interested in conflict. I generally stick to uploading photos and cleaning up language in articles (I was a professional copy editor for many years). But there has been a time or two when I thought the reversions were high-handed and arbitrary, and I didn't think they were well-explained. Is there a page somewhere on how to use the talk pages so I can inquire or ask for an explanation from the other editor? I've looked at the talk pages and can't figure them out. Thanks! Calstanhope (talk) 22:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Does WP:TPHELP help? ColinFine (talk) 23:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

a historical vs. an historical
I have a few questions: (or different ways of asking just one) – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 22:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Are there any guidelines that help editors determine whether "a historical" or "an historical" should be used in any given article, or is that left up for editors to decide on a case-by-case basis?
 * Are there cases where one convention is correct and the other is not, or are they equally acceptable in any article as long as only one is consistently used throughout each article?
 * Does the region of an article's topic have any role in determining which convention should be used?
 * I believe that the pronunciation with an audible /h/ -- the "h" sound in English "hotel", not the non-sound in French "hôte" -- is now standard for both British and US English. Also in standard British English there are I think no exceptions to the general rule of "a"-versus-"an" allomorphy. If I'm right, then British English would dictate "a historical". Speakers of standard US English do often (or usually?) say "an historical", which mildly puzzles me. (The matter isn't analogous to "a herb" versus "an herb".) -- Hoary (talk) 00:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The once-standard but now declining 'rule' in Received Pronunciation British English was to pronounce the 'h' if the first syllable is stressed (as in 'history', for example) but not if it is unstressed (as in 'historical'); hence 'a history of . . .', but 'an historical event.' As an elderly retired copyeditor, I will die on this hill.
 * , you might find MOS:ENGVAR useful if you aren't already familiar with it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 02:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * But, numbers formerly known as other numbers, this is complicated by the silent "h" starting such words as "honour" and "honorarium". Also recommended: pages 1618–1619 of The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language. -- Hoary (talk) 03:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I see that as an addition, not a complication. It's all down to the pronunciation (not the spelling) so if an 'h-' word is stressed on the first syllable but is also known to have a silent 'h', then it also takes 'an'. If it's 'complicated', that's because human speech and in particular the English language is complicated. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 19:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As an American, I personally prefer to say a historical. To me, the phrase an historical doesn't seem any more usual than an horse, an house, or an hockey player, and removing the /h/ sounds from those words (so that we get 'istorical, 'orse, 'ouse and 'ockey player respectively) just makes them sound weird. It would be no more honorable than pronouncing the H in honor or the final letter in Illinois, Arkansas or Sioux. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 11:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That may be true for American English, or some varieties of it, which can do its own thing and good luck to it: I was discussing British English. OK, an authority —
 * Hart's Rules for compositors and readers at the University Press Oxford (OUP 39th Edition 1983) says on page 1:
 * "(c) before an aspirated h: a
 * a harvest, a hero [etc.]
 * This applies equally to words in which the first syllable is unstressed:
 * a habitual, a heretical, a hero [etc.]
 * However, old usage [I did mention I'm old] supports the use of an in such cases (also 'an humble'), and this may be adopted where it is necessary to follow a particular writer's individual style.
 * In some words initial h may be either aspirated or silent. The following are recommended in the absence of any preference of the author's:
 * a habitué, a hotel
 * (d) before silent h: an
 * an heir, an hour, an honour . . . ."
 * In short, it's partly idiosycratic, so as with other English variations, follow what the article's creator did and keep usage consistent within it. If you're creating the article, do what you prefer. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 19:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Sarah long lost son
she having twins son Billy and Christopher platt Christopher is going on corrie soon Christopher cogan (talk) 22:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This help desk is for asking questions related to using Wikipedia. Did you have a question?  RudolfRed (talk) 23:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * , your editing history suggests that your statement is somehow related to the British soap Coronation Street. If you have a suggestion for an article -- perhaps Sarah Platt? -- you can make it in the talk page of that article (e.g. Talk:Sarah Platt). Don't forget to supply a reliable source for your assertion. -- Hoary (talk) 01:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeMARS52/sandbox
how can i stop a speedy deletion of my sandbox warning because it was published to namespace? PLEASE get me help before all my work is deleted. Thanks! MikeMARS52 MikeMARS52 (talk) 23:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:MikeMARS52/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1232465738
 * It looks like you added the CSD? Just remove it.  Or am I misreading the diff? RudolfRed (talk) 23:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I did misread it. It is a copy-paste move from User:MikeMARS52/sandbox/3 RudolfRed (talk) 23:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The article is at Joe Frank Chambers RudolfRed (talk) 23:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)