Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2024 July 4

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Help with page edits
Hello! I suggested edits to the PDSA page (vet charity) as instructed but have yet to receive a response. Is someone able to advise if this is on a waiting list etc or if it's gone unnoticed and if so, how to flag these suggested edits for consideration? CaityLam (talk) 08:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You need to mark your proposed edits as a formal edit request(click for instructions) so they will be seen.
 * I can tell you that "vision" and "mission" are wholly unencyclopedic and will not be added. Wikipedia is not interested in what an organization says is its own vision and mission. 331dot (talk) 08:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Ratelimiting
Hi all, I keep getting a 'rate limiting' error message when trying to submit an AfC - what does this mean? Thanks! ORMcC67 (talk) 10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Now solved, please ignore - thank you! ORMcC67 (talk) 10:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

It's been about a week and my request to create an account is still pending.
Hello all.

I'm planning on getting off to a clean start and ditching this account (not being a sock puppet), but my IP address is within a blocked range of IP addresses. (I didn't even want to use this account to write this topic)

I created an account request and you mentioned that the request could be done within the same day (three days maximum) but almost a week has passed and I have not received an email and at the same time I cannot resubmit the request.

Is there something wrong?

Note: Aside from bad uploads to Wikimedia Commons in the past, I don't remember ever getting blocked on my only account (this). Eyad Mahmoud &#124; إياد محمود (talk) 10:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @إياد محمود You do have an account and it is not blocked, otherwise you wouldn't be able to post here. Are you referring to your user page? That doesn't exist because you have not yet created it. Click on that red link to do so. Shantavira|feed me 12:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, @Shantavira
 * I would like to abandon this account and create a new account (Fresh Start), but when I log out and try to create a new account, my IP address is blocked (within the range 197.59.0.0/16).
 * I went to create an account request and it said it would go through the same day but it's been a week. Eyad Mahmoud &#124; إياد محمود (talk) 12:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

adding flags
there is a flag i want to use for a wikibox in my sandbox page that i dont think is on wikipedia proper, how would i go about adding it if i want to use it as a flag or a flag icon? Terrarian9111 (talk) 11:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Which flag? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * the flag of the naxalites/the communist party of india, and also the flag of a coptic egypt which i am 100 percent sure isnt on wikipedia Terrarian9111 (talk) 12:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ok i actually found the one for the naxalites but the other one definitelly still doesnt exist on wikipedia so I'd like to know how to add it Terrarian9111 (talk) 12:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * A Google image search on flag of coptic egypt found several different flags so I still don't know which flag you want or whether it might be copyrighted. Please link it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * well actually i did find that it is on wikimedia commons, so thats useful, thanks for telling me to search it, now, how do i use it as a flagicon, the link is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coptic_Flag.webp Terrarian9111 (talk) 13:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * flagicon image might be more suitable for your purposes, as AFAIK, flagicon only supports countries and regions that have existed in real life.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 13:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

WikiData Short Desc
Can you show what google I'd need to view (a) WikiData about zzx (b) Short Description for qrq Nuts240 (talk) 13:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't know what to put into Google. But if in Wikipedia you search for  (or   - it's the same thing) it will send you to a Wikidata search results page listing the Wikidata items that match that string. ColinFine (talk) 14:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

one-hundred letter word wrap
The Finnegans Wake page contains a section on the book's hundred-letter words. These display fine on a big screen, and they wrap on my phone. On my tablet though (using a browser, not the WP app) or on my desktop with the browser window at a smaller size, these words just cut off wherever the quote-box ends. Is there a way to make them wrap?

Thanks! Patrick (talk) 15:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Patrick Welsh: Add soft hyphens where you think it's reasonable for the words to break and wrap. Use shy to do so. For example (with no attention to whether these are sensible places to break): baba-badal-gharagh-takamminar-ronn-konnbronnton-nerronnt-uonnthun-ntrovar-rhoun-awns-kawn-toohoohoo-rdenent-hurnuk-baba-badal-gharagh-takamminar-ronn-konnbronnton-nerronnt-uonnthun-ntrovar-rhoun-awns-kawn-toohoohoo-rdenent-hurnuk. Bazza 7 (talk) 15:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I wasn't aware of that template. It's not a perfect solution, but the book itself does employ hyphens at the line breaks. Maybe they could be added at the same places. If there's no way to do a clean wrap, I'll probably do that. Thanks! Patrick (talk) 15:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have added  which just wraps at the end of the line. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Perfect! That fixed it in both cases.
 * Cheers, Patrick (talk) 16:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have a policy about using cosplay photos to illustrate fictional characters in articles?
Commons has their own policies about this, but I have doubts. Their policy seems to allow cosplay photos despite including a quote from the WMF discouraging uploading cosplay photos under a Creative Commons license: COM:COSPLAY There are hundreds of cosplay photo categories many containing dozens of subcategories with hundreds of photos, so this seems to be the consensus: Category:Cosplay Does Wikipedia accept these in articles? Many could be used under fair use, but linking to commons is going to present the images as free content. This photo in particular stuck out as looking like a screen cap from some hypothetical Warner Bros show: File:Dragon Con 2010 Harley Quinn (14611663).jpeg That's not a derivative work of Warner Bros' IP? Here are several decent images that I have doubts about linking in main space:

I think that the Poison Ivy, Two-Face, and Harley Quinn photos could possibly be used because the distinctive aspects are obscured. The others all seem like derivative works, but also within Commons' "costume" policy, so I'm unsure about using them, Rjjiii  (talk) 16:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There are only a handful of formal Wikipedia policies: the rest are called guidelines. I think the de facto guideline on image copyright is to defer to Commons and not make more restrictive decisions here at Wikipedia. The justification would be that the image copyright experts hang out over there, not here, and if a copyright holder objects, they will take action (e.g. a DMCA takedown notice) at Commons, not here, especially since the images might be displayed on multiple language Wikipedias. Based on this, you should raise your question over there, not here. -Arch dude (talk) 16:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , I agree that Commons is the correct place to discuss the copyright status of specific images, but just because an image is OK for Commons does not mean that is appropriate for use in a Wikipedia article. I see these images as being a visual form of original research. In my long life, I have dressed up as Smokey Bear, the Devil and Santa Claus. I think it would be utterly inappropriate for me to add photos of me wearing those costumes to those Wikipedia articles. We have a non-free image policy that allows use of a low resolution image from the media franchise for identification purposes. I would oppose using cosplay images anywhere in the encyclopedia except in articles about cosplay. Cullen328 (talk) 18:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you both, and thinking in terms of WP:OR clarifies it for me. The less likely a cosplay example is to violate WP:OR, the more likely it is to violate WP:COPYLINK. I'll mostly avoid using them, Rjjiii  (talk) 03:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Using math template
I'm using the math templates for a linguistics article to demonstrate a sound law, but I don't know much about the internal math that dictates this; is there a way within the format to un-italicize  in the formula below? I attempted to just copy and paste the V-bar into the formula as, but you can see in the right formula that the bar is obfuscated.

$$\text{*VC(C)F →}$$ $$\begin{cases} \bar{V}C \text{ }/ \text{ }\_\# \\ \text{VCC} \text{ }/ \text{ }\_\# \\ \text{VC} \text{ }/ \text{ }\_\$\text{C}_0 \end{cases}$$ $$\text{*VC(C)F →}$$ $$\begin{cases} \text{V̄C} \text{ }/ \text{ }\_\# \\ \text{VCC} \text{ }/ \text{ }\_\# \\ \text{VC} \text{ }/ \text{ }\_\$\text{C}_0 \end{cases}$$

Thanks in advance. ThaesOfereode (talk) 16:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I used from Help:Displaying a formula:$$\begin{cases}

\mathrm{\bar{V}C} \text{ }/ \text{ }\_\# \\ \text{VCC} \text{ }/ \text{ }\_\# \\ \text{VC} \text{ }/ \text{ }\_\$\text{C}_0 \end{cases}$$. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thank you so much! ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Multiple images for a historic site
Hi,

How would I add multiple images to a Historic site page eg specifically I wanted to add multiple images to this link:

List of historic places in Vancouver - Wikipedia

on the line :

Roberts Building

I wanted to add this additional image that I recently uploaded to Wiki Commons:



thanks for any info. Mpeel (talk) 16:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * this is a matter of editorial judgement, and you are an editor, like the rest of us. I recommend that you take this question to the talk page of that article at talk:List of historic places in Vancouver. As just another editor, I think you should replace the existing image with your image, since the existing image seems to be the only one that's a plaque instead of a building image. -Arch dude (talk) 17:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks Mpeel (talk) 17:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have added the image to Commons:Category:Roberts Building (Vancouver) to make it easier to find. TSventon (talk) 17:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

New Photo- Susan Seaforth Hayes
Hello, I'd like to upload a new photo to my grandmother, Susan Seaforth Hayes' page. The current photo is from 2010 and I have a photo that I took in 2022 that I'd like to add. It's my photo, taken by me, on the set of Days of Our Lives, so I own it.

When I try to upload, it's saying it can't verify that the photo is, in fact, mine.

Can someone please advise?

Thank you,

Amy AmyJeanWiki (talk) 18:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * , if you've taken the picture yourself and are willing to release your rights in it, it would be best to upload it to Wikimedia Commons, so that it can be used in all language versions of Wikipedia. Have you tried to do that? I can't find any evidence that you have. Maproom (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks like you tried to start the upload from a Wikipedia page. Try starting from the "Upload" button at the top right of commons:. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, will it be available to use as her main picture soon? How do I establish that? AmyJeanWiki (talk) 03:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As soon as a picture is uploaded to Commons, it is available for use in Wikipedia or any other Wikimedia project. You can in principle edit the article Susan Seaforth Hayes and replace the image by the new one.
 * However, as you have a conflict of interest your best course is to place an edit request on the article's talk page, asking for somebody to insert File:Susan Seaforth Hayes.jpg into the article in place of the existing picture. (Note: I specified that file by saying : the colon at the beginning is what causes it to appear here as a link, and not to display the picture here; so I suggest you copy that string above into your request). ColinFine (talk) 10:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * you can copy the picture into the article immediately, either just replace the current image= in the infobox, or if you want to keep that, add your new image Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @AmyJeanWiki I've replaced the picture with your one, which is a clearly better picture for our article. Thanks for providing it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * .... was it taken in 2022, as you said above, or in 2023 as it says on Commons? The Commons file has no .exif data, which is a pity. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * commons:File:Susan Seaforth Hayes.jpg also says Date 4 July 2024 which should be the date the photo was taken so three different years have been given. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Political parties
Hello, where i can find the policy of WP about political parties? i.e. by what criteria is a party considered notable, are there specific criteria? Thank you D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You want WP:NORG for organizations and companies, which is stricter than WP:GNG. TSventon (talk) 20:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , I agree that WP:NORG is the applicable notability guideline. As a practical matter, if a political party's candidates have won multiple elections, it is highly likely to be notable. If, on the other hand, the party's candidates have never won, it is far less likely to be notable. Cullen328 (talk) 00:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * basically I wanted to know about the political parties themselves because of this Articles for deletion/National Popular Consciousness. D.S. Lioness (talk) 00:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)