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How is it possible that a topic (an article) disappears within less than 24hrs?!?
It's just not building much trust, if Wikipedia displays information on origin, definition and message of the "Wolfsgruß" and how it developed among turkic people, when such an article VANISHES from major search engines within less than 24 hrs. Actually, to me it looks as if there are only 2 possible answers, how this situation could develop: 1. Someone tried to publish a badly researched and inaccurately prepared areticle (only to generate attention for wikipedia), OR 2. plenty of mighty (and [dangerously] despotic) media outlets (and/or political lobbying communities) accumulated enough pressure to have this article CENSORED! Either way, Wikipedia doesn't appear reliable and trustworthy to everyone who noticed that! - And let me add something personal - both possible intents which resulted in vanishing of the article are equally frightful to anyone honoring democracy and freedom of speech. JamesTaggart304 (talk) 03:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell there has never been an article titled Wolfsgruß. There is Wolf salute if that's what you mean?  RudolfRed (talk) 03:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , here is a friendly suggestion: Refrain from breathless hyperbole and from spinning conspiracy theories until you actually understand something. Cullen328 (talk) 04:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * On German-language Wikipedia, "Wolfsgruß" is a redirect to Graue Wölfe. English-language Wikipedia has an article Grey Wolves (organization).  Maproom (talk) 08:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Wolfsgruß is the German name for a Turkish gesture called Wolf salute in English. As you can see by clicking the link, we have an article about it. This is the English Wikipedia. There is no reason for us to have an article with a title using the German name for a Turkish topic. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, the hand configuration is similar and sometimes identical to the "horns" salute frequently used by Heavy metal fans and musicians. This was introduced (or at least popularised by) the singer Ronnie James Dio, based on a gesture to ward off the Evil eye learned from his Italian grandmother. Many fans and others may also associate it with the 'Horned god' of pagan mythologies (as I myself do, being a Wiccan), and Japanese fans to the Kitsune (spirit fox). In these contexts it has no connection to the Wolf salute. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 12:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * We have an article on that, too: 🤘🏽 Folly Mox (talk) 13:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Topics
What are topics and how to create them? I am talking about the types of topics related to Featured topics and Good topics.

Thanks, TheNuggeteer (talk) 04:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * A featured topic is a collection of featured articles that, as determined via discussion on the Featured and good topic candidates page, is about a particular topic and merits publicizing. A good topic is a collection of good (or featured) articles that, as determined via discussion on the Featured and good topic candidates page, is about a particular topic and merits publicizing. I think that very few editors can be said to create topics; this might be a rare example. -- Hoary (talk) 06:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC) My description of featured topics is mistaken; see Featured and good topic criteria. -- Hoary (talk) 07:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about the regular topics, I see some topics which are not either Featured or Good topics, what are these? v TheNuggeteer (talk) 06:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Where do you see these? -- Hoary (talk) 07:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Saw it in a user page, forgot the name. TheNuggeteer (talk) 07:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * We don't use the term "topic" below good and featured topics. They are not promoted from lesser topics. There are different ways to group related articles in general. See Categories, lists, and navigation templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Or rather, we can and do use the term topic. Editing Wikipedia we (usually) use English; topic is a good English word; no surprise then that we use this English word pretty much as it's normally used outside Wikipedia (cf paragraph, or keyboard). As PrimeHunter suggests, we don't assign any special meaning to it. Thus "Category:Configurable area-topic templates", whose reference is no surprise. (The intended or actual difference between "configurable area-topic templates" and plain "configurable area templates" isn't obvious to me.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The Mediawiki software that Wikipedia runs on also supports a search key, which can be used in advanced searching and the Suggested Edits feature available from Special:Homepage, but articletopic: is not surfaced anywhere in an actual article, and is determined by machine learning algorithms, rather than being set or configured by editors. Folly Mox (talk) 12:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but can you explain it a bit more? I'm a bit confused. TheNuggeteer (talk) 14:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * See Help:Searching. It has nothing to do with featured or good topics. It was just an example of many uses of the general word "topic". When I said we don't use the term "topic" below good and featured topics, I meant in a similar meaning for a group of related articles. Content assessment shows many classifications for individual articles including good and featured, but only those two are used for topics. A nomination for a good topic is articles grouped specifically for that nomination and not a pre-existing grouping. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Page in English Language
Hi Wiki. I’m Willy. May i ask a question? Why this https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmara_Abigail page don’t have the page in English language as the others? Any solution about this? Thank you. 2400:9800:100:913E:81B4:A15B:27D6:2E46 (talk) 05:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Because nobody has created or translated that article into English yet.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 05:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia languages are edited independently. Lots of Indonesian articles have no English version, probably especially about Indonesian topics like Asmara Abigail. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Willy. Note that you could try to create a draft article about her for the English Wikipedia. However, it won't be sufficient to list the films she has appeared in. You will need to demonstrate she is wikinotable in the way we define that here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

ADD PHOTO
I have just posted my first a short item and I would like to add a photo of the person and a booklet. How do I do this, please? Paul Whyatt (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, Paula Whyatt, and welcome to Wikipedia.
 * You have create a user sandbox, which is not yet a Wikipedia article: I have added a header to it which will allow you to submit it for review when it is ready, which it is not yet.
 * Successfully creating a Wikipedia article is one of the most challenging tasks there is for a new editor, and most who try it before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works have a frustrating and dispiriting experience.
 * I always advise new users to not even think about creating a new article until they have spent at least several weeks making improvements to existing articles and learning about key concepts such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability. Then they can study your first article, and give it a try.
 * Your draft does not cite a single source. How can a reader tell whether it is accurate? (Note that, even if you're sure, the nature of Wikipedia is that next week or next month or next year, somebody could come along and change what you've written; without sources a reader cannot check whether it is correct).
 * Since it does not cite any sources, it does nothing to demonstrate that Karslake meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, without which no article is possible.
 * You can add an image by uploading it to Wikimedia Commons and then inserting it into the draft (see Help:Upload - I'm assuming that any image of Karslake will be in the public domain by reason of age, and so copyright considerations will not arise). But there is no point in doing so before you have found the sources necessary to establish that he is notable. ColinFine (talk) 14:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I am very grateful to you for responding so quickly as I will not waste any more time. The person concerned was a former head of an office in the Inland Revenue in which I worked (I joined the Estate Duty Office in 1969). I have found some sources eg Called to the bar, made a QC and Knighted. BUT I doubt that he, like me in 100 years, will not be regarded as 'notable'!
 * Thanks again,
 * Paul Paul Whyatt (talk) 14:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello again, Paul (apologies for mistyping your name above).
 * I hope this won't put you off contributing to Wikipedia. There is a lot to learn, particularly if you want to create new articles.
 * My grandfather was a Senior Principal Inspector of Taxes, and was eventually called to the bar, though I don't believe he was ever in practice. ColinFine (talk) 14:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Being knighted seems like a fairly good indication that he's notable; the problem here is a lack of any cited sources to back the information up and show that he does indeed meet our notability standards. 57.140.16.8 (talk) 14:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

template:current in an extended-confirmed-article
Feel free to try it out: Log out (so be an IP editor), choose the page Keir Starmer, and click the link "(Feel free to) improve this article". You get the notification that you are not free to improve this article. This experience may/might make some people feel a little puzzled. The combination of template:current and extended-confirmed-protection is not uncommon in en Wiki. Dear native speakers of English (i am en-2, de-N) and experts on Wikipedia templates, do you have an idea how to improve this template? (Please don't forget to log in again before answering ;-) ) Thanks in advance --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 14:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC) (i know, i am extended-confirmed in en Wikipedia)


 * I suggest raising it at Template talk:Current. That template is not protected, and I was going to edit it, but I couldn't see what wording would work best. ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Big "mistake" on someone local's name
Under the heading of Santa Barbara News-Press, the name of the second co-publisher is supposed to be Arthur von Wiesenberger. Someone who must have had some kind of disagreement with him changed his name in the article to Arthur von Cheesenburger. Can someone correct this, please? I don't know how to do it. Thank you. Patricia Matsumaru 47.142.157.206 (talk) 14:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I've reverted the vandalism. Thanks for pointing it out. DanCherek (talk) 14:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Autobiography
I want to contribute to "wikipedia, the free encyclopedia." I could not find the "link" which enable me "to upload" my own biography, which is ready for publication.' I kindly request you to send me the "relevant link" so that I can publish it.

I am looking forward to hearing from you.

With kind regards Eshete Gemeda, PhD (Dr. Phil) Denmark Eoromo09 (talk) 15:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, Euromo09, and welcome to Wikipedia. There is no "link to upload a biography" because creating an article is not something you can do quickly and easily. Most new editors who try to create an article without spending several weeks or months first, learning how Wikipedia works, have a miserable and frustrating time.
 * In addition, writing about yourself on Wikipedia is very strongly discouraged, and nearly always fails, because few people are capable of writing about themselves in a sufficiently neutral way. Unless you have made a deep study of Wikipedia's requirements, I can tell you without seeing it that your biography is completely unsuitable for publication on Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Your userpage link is reserved for that purpose--but what you put in there should relate to your WP activity/goals &c. in some way. Anything else is reserved for other avenues. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 17:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

A little question re: WP:ONECLICK
Minutes ago, I tested out Elli's OneClickArchiver on my talk page (almost immediately after script-installing it), but running it created an unintended link to User talk:Slgrandson/Archive 1. Is there any way I can configure it so that the messages get sent to User talk:Slgrandson/Archive/2024 instead?

Keep in mind, this is coming from a user who has been manually archiving dozens of messages over the years--at the expense of page size (and during ~2020-2022, decreasing device-storage capacity on my Galaxy Tab A). --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I've been meaning to implement more flexibility in the script but I haven't yet (not yet sure of the best way to implement it, and I've been somewhat busy in my personal life). Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 17:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)